Mounted them on the Monster, they are very slick, especially the left hand side.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/657ae7de9d96d2c3fd86feb446d13580.jpg)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/691786fa6585d53a72c8183c012729d8.jpg)
SWEET! [thumbsup]
Were they 'plug n play'?
Quote from: Duck-Stew on September 28, 2012, 07:16:19 AM
SWEET! [thumbsup]
Were they 'plug n play'?
He's got an M-Unit on the bike, so... Plug and play, with that.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on September 28, 2012, 07:16:19 AM
SWEET! [thumbsup]
Were they 'plug n play'?
By no means is this mod 'plug n play'. ;)
Notes on this mod
1) The wiring and connectors are fantastically small and not up to the task of switching any substantial loads. This is what relays are for.
2) You need to find the matching connecters to splice into your wiring harness. You weren't going to hard wire them were you?
3) The kill/starter switch functions like the older Ducati switches.
4) The left switch gear is all momentary switches that switch to ground. This is completely different than all previous Ducati Switchgear.
This requires latching relays or as an alternative, the motogadget M Unit works well. Internal switch wiring mods are necessary if you
want the various switches to respond to your command.
5) No.
very clean, I like it kopf 8)
very very nice.
does it increase your turning radius? I've found my limits are made by the larger switchgear
i did a lot of research on the sf switches a while back and was going to do it with latching relays but it seemed too much of a pain the the arse in the end. i never knew of this "m unit" tho!! damn i wish i knew about that thing before i re did my loom last week!!!
Looks the goods!! well done
Nice and sleek [thumbsup]
Quote from: ungeheuer on September 29, 2012, 02:34:06 AM
Nice and sleek [thumbsup]
Have to agree with Steve... [thumbsup]
Now Daryl all you need now is the rest of the SF to finish the job off... [roll]... ;) ;)
Geoff... [coffee]
very slick. Nick and I had kicked this around briefly a while back, but I was out once it wasn't plug-n-play.
yeah, very nice! do you have a link?
But, what I'm really interested in is the M-Unit... I've been thinking about putting one of those in for a while...
did you wire it up? easy?
any downside to it?
anything I should know?
M-unit link:
http://www.spieglerusa.com/m-unit-5998.htm (http://www.spieglerusa.com/m-unit-5998.htm)
kopfjäger - Very cool mod. looks good.
Any information on installing the M-unit would be great. Thinking about using one on my bike. Thanks.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 27, 2012, 07:52:36 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/657ae7de9d96d2c3fd86feb446d13580.jpg)
I see a lot of booze back there. :D
[drink]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0ef5befd94160ec1f4c17c48e2801aec.jpg)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/d3cd08308a0b2d9727e4138c21ff9c91_zps88ba60b5.jpg)
I have the left SF switch on my Bandit. I used the menu buttons for the Motogadget gauge. Is that what you did?
Quote from: DucHead on September 30, 2012, 06:02:22 PM
I have the left SF switch on my Bandit. I used the menu buttons for the Motogadget gauge. Is that what you did?
I don't work on the bike, but it is all run through the M-unit. I'll get you an answer.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 30, 2012, 06:20:18 PM
I don't work on the bike, but it is all run through the M-unit. I'll get you an answer.
No need. How do you scroll through your gauge menu?
Quote from: DucHead on September 30, 2012, 06:23:02 PM
No need. How do you scroll through your gauge menu?
The button above the turn signal switch.
That bike is toooooo cleannnnnn!
What is the source of the switches, please?
I've followed the link to the M Unit but can't seem to find the switches themselves.
Thanks!
Quote from: carbmon on October 03, 2012, 12:10:52 AM
What is the source of the switches, please?
I've followed the link to the M Unit but can't seem to find the switches themselves.
Thanks!
S.F. - Street Fighter
Reference:
(http://i.imgur.com/gtX38.jpg?1)
Quote from: Detroit117 on October 03, 2012, 12:44:13 AM
S.F. - Street Fighter
Aha! thanks!
Those do look sharp [thumbsup]
Those look soo clean. Better than the tumors that the current ones are. Might have to wire some up [bow_down] [drool]
Is the lt/rt turn signal switch on the SF a self-centering momentary contact switch (in other words, essentially the same as two push buttons that can only be operated one at a time)?
Quote from: carbmon on October 11, 2012, 08:01:11 AM
Is the lt/rt turn signal switch on the SF a self-centering momentary contact switch (in other words, essentially the same as two push buttons that can only be operated one at a time)?
I suspect it's 3; a left, right, and cancel.
Quote from: Speeddog on October 11, 2012, 08:42:51 AM
I suspect it's 3; a left, right, and cancel.
Thanks, but how 'bout someone who has one and knows for sure....I can wait for an informed answer ;)
[roll]
Quote from: carbmon on October 11, 2012, 08:59:18 AM
Thanks, but how 'bout someone who has one and knows for sure....I can wait for an informed answer ;)
[laugh]
No problem, that *is* the best method.
Quote from: carbmon on October 11, 2012, 08:01:11 AM
Is the lt/rt turn signal switch on the SF a self-centering momentary contact switch (in other words, essentially the same as two push buttons that can only be operated one at a time)?
Yes it is.
^^ thanks ^^
Do you know if the "m-Button" was used for your installation (converting all handlebar switch data to a single-wire back to the m-Unit)?
"m-Button" being Motogadget's name for a bus logic device that can be used between handlebar controls and the m- Unit, not the name for a switch or literal button.
Quote from: carbmon on October 11, 2012, 07:25:23 PM
^^ thanks ^^
Do you know if the "m-Button" was used for your installation (converting all handlebar switch data to a single-wire back to the m-Unit)?
"m-Button" being Motogadget's name for a bus logic device that can be used between handlebar controls and the m- Unit, not the name for a switch or literal button.
They have no product called M-Button as far as I know. (?)
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 11, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
They have no product called M-Button as far as I know. (?)
They do have 'push buttons', but I didn't use one. If I did you'd see it in the pics.
Here's the link
http://motogadget.com/en/electrics/electronic-control-box-m-unit/m-button/m-button.html (http://motogadget.com/en/electrics/electronic-control-box-m-unit/m-button/m-button.html)
So, fair to assume your setup doesn't use this device ;)
I should have also asked .... Is the headlight Hi/Lo selector also a momentary contact switch?
My Hi-lo is wired to the flash to pass trigger. My Hi-lo button scrolls through the gauge settings, but yes in it's stock configuration it's momentary.
I'd envied suzyj’s ‘no fuses/no relays’ control box (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=56614.msg1072084#msg1072084) since she posted on that device of her own making but figured lacking her EE background that's out of my reach. Then kopfjäger starts this thread and mentions the m-Unit and I start digging.
After downloading the SF wiring diagram (in the Owners Manual available on Ducati's website) I spent some time today examining the SF switchgear at Ducati Austin then to Revival Cycles (http://www.revivalcycles.com), a local Motogadget dealer that has installed the m-Unit on a number of custom builds including vintage Guzzis and Ducs. One of Revival’s owner/engineers gave me a grand tour of several m-Unit installations. No question, the SF switches and the m-Unit are a match made in heaven and the m-Unit is a very slick device.
Sure, a slight cost increase (but really not too much) compared to the total rewire I was looking at with traditional fuse/relay circuitry but the harness simplification and extra features offered with the m-Unit (self-cancel turns, alarm, delayed load until start, one-wire running/pattern flash brake/tail light, programmable so turns act as partial-lit running lights, etc) and super-compact packaging make it too attractive to pass up for my ongoing once-in-a-lifetime custom Monster project.
All this to say “Thanks, kopfjäger†for your post and inspiration. [beer]
Kopfjäger -- how were you able to make your signal indicators cancel? i just put on the Panigale switches -- actually, Gary did it for me at Rockwell's. But he said he couldn't have the button on the switch cancel the signals, because of some momentary-ground-thingie (i can change my clutch, but don't know nothing about electronics). i have to tap my signal switch a second time to kill the indicator.
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/576325_10151378363346271_1825144455_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/475623_10151378366021271_918542795_o.jpg)
but hitting the signal switch again is a pain, i wish i could use the kill button on the switch instead.
oh, and i got an m-unit too...
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/64044_10151378367461271_1956708021_n.jpg)
...i thought that would make it all possible. [bang]
Kopf did not do the work himself so he may not know, but I wired up the SF switch to my Bandit.
Your problem is that your OEM signals are not the momentary type (neither are the Bandit's), but the SF are.
To overcome this, I used the Signal Dynamics auto-canceling module for the signals, and a custom headlight relay (SPDT+built-in diode) for the high beam and a regular automotive relay for the pass switch.
http://signaldynamics.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=36&category_id=14&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=77&vmcchk=1&Itemid=77 (http://signaldynamics.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=36&category_id=14&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=77&vmcchk=1&Itemid=77)
http://www.phatperformanceparts.com/Drag_Specialties_Custom_Headlight_Relay_p/ds324201.htm (http://www.phatperformanceparts.com/Drag_Specialties_Custom_Headlight_Relay_p/ds324201.htm)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/DSCN2596-1.jpg)
Edit: I just saw you have the m-Unit. Does that allow programming of the turn signals? I did everything (Motoscope + m-Switch + SF switch) without an m-Unit.
Quote from: showerfan on December 23, 2012, 01:48:30 PM
i have to tap my signal switch a second time to kill the indicator.
Not sure what you mean? I click my turn signal to turn it on, then click it again to turn it off.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 23, 2012, 06:28:23 PM
Not sure what you mean? I click my turn signal to turn it on, then click it again to turn it off.
...and you have the m-Unit, right?
What I mean is, there is a kill switch, a button, on the turn signal controller -- a SF or Panigale rider will click the turn signal in the direction he is turning, and then hit the kill switch to turn it off (push the button on the signal switch). But I have to push the signal switch again, in the same direction as I am turning. Annoying.
I need to find someone who is an m-unit pro in the new York area to fix this sht. I may need to call spiegler...
Quote from: showerfan on December 24, 2012, 12:55:13 PM
What I mean is, there is a kill switch, a button, on the turn signal controller -- a SF or Panigale rider will click the turn signal in the direction he is turning, and then hit the kill switch to turn it off (push the button on the signal switch). But I have to push the signal switch again, in the same direction as I am turning. Annoying.
That is how it's supposed to operate. I like it far better than having to try and center the button on the oem switchgear, inevitably crossing over to the other signal. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 24, 2012, 01:57:47 PM
That is how it's supposed to operate.....
Yep, the M-Unit documentation is clear on the options for how to set up the turns, but a second tap on the same switch is the only manual cancel option as far as I can work it out on mine. You can of course program in one of the available time-based auto-cancel intervals and the 'second tap' still works to override that (for a lane change, for example). The auto-cancel is pretty cool since it does not count time with a brake on (sitting at a stop light, for example), you might try the shortest auto-cancel interval and see how you like that.
If for some reason you don't have the documentation you can download it from the Motogadget site.
sweet, thanks for the advice carbmon. i am going to try and find someone in the new york area who is proficient with this electrical stuff and see if he (or she?) can set it up better for me. i am hopeless when it comes to this stuff. i just want to cancel by pressing the button, the way i do on the panigale.
i also want it cleaned up and looking pro, like kopfjäger has it. or i'm going to ride to atlanta and see if his guy will do it for me.
I found this to be the best option for custom switches. Permanent flashing, auto shut down, hazard lights modes.
http://motogadget.com/en/electrics/flasher-relay-for-push-buttons-m-relay/m-relay-blinkrelais-fur-taster.html (http://motogadget.com/en/electrics/flasher-relay-for-push-buttons-m-relay/m-relay-blinkrelais-fur-taster.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 28, 2012, 08:06:22 PM
The kill/starter switch functions like the older Ducati switches.
I take this to mean I could wire up the right switchgear directly to my OE 2000 Monster harness in a traditional fashion? I have a NOS left switch that I like already.
Thanks [thumbsup]