I need some high mileage ducs. 100k +
facts ect... sorry to ask all that but i'm at work and got no time to search on the web ...
i just have to prove my friend that he's wrong... (he rides a 2011 zx6r)
I remember reading about PhilB's M900 (pure stock) reached 130K+ Miles. And still climbing very fast.
I believe PhilB has passed 200K at this point. Bigian has well over 100k as does a buddy of mine. I'm only up to 63K on mine.
Good luck with that. While Ducs are good bikes, and they can indeed last a long time (especially the air-cooled ones), I wouldn't say they're necessarily better. They're just different.
Regarding your buddy who rides a ZX-6R...I'm guessing you'd be very hard pressed to show that a Ducati SBK (middleweight or liter) is better than the Japanese equivalents in terms of reliability.
Quote from: svp88 on October 25, 2012, 07:42:24 PM
I need some high mileage ducs. 100k +
facts ect... sorry to ask all that but i'm at work and got no time to search on the web ...
i just have to prove my friend that he's wrong... (he rides a 2011 zx6r)
Yep. The problem is that your friend isn't necessarily wrong. [laugh]
Quote from: Triple J on October 25, 2012, 09:36:39 PM
Good luck with that. While Ducs are good bikes, and they can indeed last a long time (especially the air-cooled ones), I wouldn't say they're necessarily better. They're just different.
Regarding your buddy who rides a ZX-6R...I'm guessing you'd be very hard pressed to show that a Ducati SBK (middleweight or liter) is better than the Japanese equivalents in terms of reliability.
^ This.
Quote from: MacDuck on October 25, 2012, 11:17:31 PM
Yep. The problem is that your friend isn't necessarily wrong. [laugh]
^ And this.
Vive la Differénce [thumbsup]
Your fruend is right if reliability and longevity are the standards....statistically speaking.
To answer your original question:
by riding faster, with fewer/no crashes and by keeping your bike running longer than they can 8)
Quote from: stopintime on October 26, 2012, 06:04:58 AM
To answer your original question:
by riding faster, with fewer/no crashes and by keeping your bike running longer than they can 8)
[thumbsup]
ask him how many world superbike championships kawasaki has won.
Ducati's are better but it's a state of mind and body thing it's almost zen like.
With the troubles I've been having with mine, and the constant niggles it gets as a result of the previous owners x3 poor service, your mate with the Jap bike will get no argument from me! [thumbsdown]
I've only had one foray into the non Japanese world before owning this Ducati. That bike was a 69 Norton Commando and that ended badly. LOL!
Once it's all sorted though, I'm sure I'll have a good run (GK says whilst praying that this indeed will be the case!)
GK
saying ducatis are better than Japanese bikes is like saying that my college sports team is better than yours.
Quote from: jaxduc on October 26, 2012, 06:28:16 PM
saying ducatis are better than Japanese bikes is like saying that my college sports team is better than yours.
Exactly, all good fun....no reason he can't be well informed with a few stereotype busting facts. To throw the naysayers back onto their heels!
I think what jax meant was that the comparison is irrelevant and petty.
Quote from: memper on October 27, 2012, 03:59:24 AM
I think what jax meant was that the comparison is irrelevant and petty.
+1.
Just ride the damn bikes.
It's not the bikes themselves, it's the owners who cause the problems. My new Monster has a specific maintenance schedule that I'm keeping. If I do the recommended maintenance when it's supposed to happen, the bike will run for years. I also have an almost 30 year old Japanese bike in my back yard that the previous owners didn't do maintenance like they were supposed to. I finally got it running properly, but I'm going to have to rebuild the entire front brake system and bleed the clutch because the previous owners did nothing for it. I just changed the oil, the drain plug required a mallet to get off since it's been so long since the oil was changed. The bike has less than 16,000 miles on it and it wasn't running or braking when I picked it up last month for $200. Properly maintained, any bike will last for years.
Quote from: memper on October 27, 2012, 03:59:24 AM
I think what jax meant was that the comparison is irrelevant and petty.
this
Any modern bike will last 100K+ if you take decent care of it. Compared to Japanese bikes, Ducatis require a bit more scheduled maintenance, and get quite cranky if they don't get it. They don't respond well to neglect. So if you would be talking about pulling a bike out of a compost pile that had been buried in leaves and garbage for years, I'd pick a Honda every time. But if you're talking buying a new or well-cared for used bike and riding it a lot, a Ducati is as good as any other bike.
The two things I see are (a) a lot of Ducs get bought strictly as toys and suffer from having too FEW miles put on them; they sit and rot, and the 7500-mile maintenance gets done 6 years later, and that's too long. And (b) a lot of people, even more so than with Japanese bikes, go crazy with the modifications and create their own problems.
Mine was reliable as an anvil up to about 170K miles. The last couple of years, some things wore out (carburetors, rear shock, master and slave cylinders, a couple leaky gaskets), and I've had to put some money into it, but it's not core stuff -- the engine is as strong as ever, the transmission is fine, and I plan to keep riding it for the long term. I'm over 200K miles now, and have ridden it to 28 of the lower 48 states so far.
I've seen at least a half a dozen Ducs over 100K, in the San Diego area where I used to live. They were mostly Monsters or 900SS models, of '90's vintage.
The other notable one I'm aware of is an ST4 that Gary Eagan used for a few years. He is a noted endurance/distance rider, who holds several records for long distance riding. He set some of them with a Ducati ST4 in the early 2000's, racking up about 225K on it. http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/record-setter-ducati-iron-butt-st4-donated-to-barber-museum-ar33492.html (http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/record-setter-ducati-iron-butt-st4-donated-to-barber-museum-ar33492.html)
Another one:
http://usdesmo.com/leanings/Leanings_2006_3_Fall.pdf (http://usdesmo.com/leanings/Leanings_2006_3_Fall.pdf)
PhilB
You have little basis to support your argument for Ducati reliability being superior to the 'jap' bikes. I'll tell you this, if I had to make a long and perilous journey across a baron desert where reliability meant life or death, I'd take a 'jap' bike over my 796 any day of the week.
And by "better" I surely hope you don't mean sbk or motogp championships. Because we all know how Ducati fares against those inferior 'jap' bikes.
I have a 21 year old lancia integrale with 200000 kms on the clock the engine and gear box have never been opened in the 12 years and 150000 of those kms I've owned the car and everybody says there unreliable the same goes for ducati if you maintain the thing properly it wont let you down if you dont it will let you down jap bikes included.
I had 100K between my '03 620 (80K) and '10 1100 (20K). They would've gone a lot further had I not traded in the 1100 or total the 620 a few months back.
Like others have said though..the Ducs are bought for toys/show pieces/bragging rights/etc. They don't get ridden. I always found it amazing when I found an '03 with only a few hundred or thousand miles on it. Meanwhile, mine was heading for triple digits.
I love the Ducs but if I wanted something that was a lot more dependable and I could get a lot of miles on without spending as much as I did for the Duc, I would've bought a Yamaha or Suzuki.
Quote from: jmlenz on October 27, 2012, 12:49:43 PM
You have little basis to support your argument for Ducati reliability being superior to the 'jap' bikes. I'll tell you this, if I had to make a long and perilous journey across a baron desert where reliability meant life or death, I'd take a 'jap' bike over my 796 any day of the week.
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Agreed, but based on parts availability, not reliability.
Quote from: howie on October 27, 2012, 09:08:13 PM
Agreed, but based on parts availability, not reliability.
What do parts have to do with reliability?
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 27, 2012, 09:20:50 PM
What do parts have to do with reliability?
nothing
but if you cant find parts then what do you do ??
a good friend of mine is approaching 150k on his ST2, still hasn't rebuilt the motor.
Ducati maintenance is more strict and it is designed to be pre-emptive. changing/adjusting things BEFORE they care out of spec and more liable to break.
Japanese maintenance is designed to be fixed as it is out of spec and starting to break down.
recently, the difference has grown smaller as all brands are starting to meet in the middle.
but really, who gives a shit. each bike has its good and bad aspects. motorcycles are fun, cant we just leave it at that?
Then what would we have to argue about? Different brands of motor oil? ;D
Quote from: memper on October 27, 2012, 03:59:24 AM
I think what jax meant was that the comparison is irrelevant and petty.
Quote from: dufukincati on October 27, 2012, 05:32:37 AM
+1.
Just ride the damn bikes.
Understood....completely! My point, is the OP wants to have fun with his coworker/friend. The passion behind these little rivalries/arguments increases the amount of enjoyment you get from riding, deepens the relationship with your bike/brand, and the camaraderie among friends. It is "irrelevant" whether the opinions/facts are trivial....it is FUN! [clap]
Walk into any sports bar in the country on Saturday during Florida vs Georgia, Michigan vs. Notre Dame, Army vs. Navy and announce their "FANaticism" is irrelevant and petty.....just watch the damn game. Put on your slippers, go back to your [coffee] and lighten up!
Quote from: BastrdHK on October 28, 2012, 01:20:55 PM
Understood....completely! My point, is the OP wants to have fun with his coworker/friend. The passion behind these little rivalries/arguments increases the amount of enjoyment you get from riding, deepens the relationship with your bike/brand, and the camaraderie among friends. It is "irrelevant" whether the opinions/facts are trivial....it is FUN! [clap]
Walk into any sports bar in the country on Saturday during Florida vs Georgia, Michigan vs. Notre Dame, Army vs. Navy and announce their "FANaticism" is irrelevant and petty.....just watch the damn game. Put on your slippers, go back to your [coffee] and lighten up!
1st id like to thank you all for your responses...
personally im the type of person who believes that ALL bikes nowdays are AMAZING machines and everything depends on their owners ... from the way they using and abusing them...
i've ridden japanese , english, and of course italian bikes... and none of them made me feel as good as the italian bikes did (talking abt R1 , R6, Ninjas, cbrs , triumph 675 daytona , speed triple and bonnevilles vs Mv agusta f4 & brutale, Ducs 1198s , 749s, M696, M796, and my monsters of course (m1100evo & m750) .. its smth abt the quality of the parts the way they run ect .. idk how to explain it ..
well ofcourse the maintenance has to be much more often than the japanese bikes , but i dont think its a big deal ... last year i learned how to do valve adjustment on my own and did it ... (i consider that job the hardest out of all) ofcourse u have to have a garage and tools ... but do u see any ferraris parked on every corner??? same with italian bikes...
like i said before... they are all amazing machines and fun to ride ... im planning to start track days and thinking of buying a cbr or a r6 .. it will be my first japanese bike , street legal as well... i ll see what japanese bikes are all abt... you are going to tell me why arent you using ur ducatis or a ducati for track.... when it comes to abusing japanese is the bike to use :)) ;D
Quote from: svp88 on October 25, 2012, 07:42:24 PM
i just have to prove my friend that he's wrong... (he rides a 2011 zx6r)
Good luck with that, he's most likely riding what he likes and prefers to ride and not to mention the zx6r has a lot going for it within it's class. My first bike back riding was an 06 Kawasaki Ninja and I regret ever selling it as I acquired other bikes in the vein of "moving up". As a daily rider that bike was loads of fun, very dependable and easy to work on. I say "get on and ride what you like".
ive had a few "jap bikes" over the last 15 years. I love my ducati.. but I gotta be honest here, in terms of reliability.. its at the bottom of the list of any bike ive ever owner. I never owned a jap bike that spontaneously started spewing OIL, has recurring electrical issues (light, horn, turn signals) or requires MULTIPLE stabs at the starter button , JUST to get it started. While this has been the NORM for my 1100, which i bought NEW in 2009. All of my jap bikes, just needed GAS!
With that said.. all of my jap bikes sounded the same and FELT the same.. like SOULESS sewing machines or weedwackers! weeeeeee, click, weeeeeeeeeeeee, click, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaarrrrrrrrrr, click.
I never rode a machine.. that felt alive.. and that in turn, made me feel happy to be living.. and distinctly aware that I might die.. if i made a mistake. I ride my ducati.. with my eyes WIDE open, because she DEMANDS it. I wouldnt have it any other way.
Like someone else said somewhere on this forum.
"having a ducati is like dating a super model. Hot, but a huge pain in the ass"
Quote from: polivo on October 28, 2012, 09:52:24 PM
"having a ducati is like dating a super model. Hot, but a huge pain in the ass"
I had a gf like that once...she was just plain "high maintenance" [drink]
There's nothing wrong with Japanese bikes at all. They are fine machines, generally very well engineered and built, high quality, and excellent value for money. I'm quite certain I could ride Hondas all my life and be very happy with them.
I happen to very much like the design and feel of Italian machinery, so that's what I am most likely to buy, ride, and/or drive. I won't say that they are objectively "better" than the Japanese bikes, but they aren't necessarily worse either. I recognize that I am spending some extra money to buy, and some extra time/money to maintain, them, and I do that willingly because I like them better.
I do not see any value in dissing the choices of others -- if someone likes and wants to ride a Harley, a Vespa, a Kawasaki, a Rokon, or whatever -- cool, have fun. I choose the Ducati; I like it, it fits me well physically, and it suits my riding style and usage well.
I've testridden a lot of bikes in the past few years, for fun, and to see what's out there, to think about what I would get if I needed a new bike, and my short list for a high budget has 5 Italian, 1 German, and 2 American bikes on it. My short list for a lower budget (~$10K) has one Italian, one British, and 1 Japanese bikes on it. (Although the lists could have more Japanese bikes if the dealers weren't so crappy at allowing test rides.)
PhilB
Bottom line is the OP's question is baseless and petty (as others have pointed out). This 'I'm better than you' because I have a Ducati and you have a 'jap' bike mentality tarnishes the perceived image of all Ducati owners.
I came from a '08 CBR1000RR before my '11 Monster 796 and I feel it was neither an upgrade nor a downgrade...just different, that's all.
I ride with a couple of old buddies who still have antiques, '82 fairing-less goldwing and an '88 ninja 900.
Doesn't matter what you ride.....just ride.(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u662/scaramanga3/IMG_20120916_081627_zpsd47e6103.jpg)
this summer we revived a mothballed '86 ninja600 without an engine rebuild.this thing spent almost 20 years in a shed(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u662/scaramanga3/IMG_20110813_162341_zps4ba26f66.jpg)
Quote from: jmlenz on October 29, 2012, 11:20:15 AM
Bottom line is the OP's question is baseless and petty (as others have pointed out). This 'I'm better than you' because I have a Ducati and you have a 'jap' bike mentality tarnishes the perceived image of all Ducati owners.
I came from a '08 CBR1000RR before my '11 Monster 796 and I feel it was neither an upgrade nor a downgrade...just different, that's all.
G- thanks.....
Just discovered this, and have no time to read it all now, so this may have been mentioned already.
I like Japanese bikes.
But face it, they are the bike of choice for squids.
Let us not do anything to make Ducatis the bike of choice for squids.
That is all.
^^^ I don't think it could be said any better than this.
Agreed with most before me.....no need to convince other's.....just to ride a bike is the main choice.
That said.....to choose a Ducati is kinda a lifestyle; hobby; club mentality etc. Japanese bikes generally cost less, have more power etc, etc and generally are know to be more reliable with less maintenance.
It's like comparing a Gucci cotton dress shirt with a cotton button down from Sear's.....they both cover your chest.....but that's where the similarities end!!
My main reason in choosing Ducati they are very unique ....women love them & women have B--Bies!! [evil] [beer]
Quote from: 118811 on October 30, 2012, 01:46:28 PM
Agreed with most before me.....no need to convince other's.....just to ride a bike is the main choice.
That said.....to choose a Ducati is kinda a lifestyle; hobby; club mentality etc. Japanese bikes generally cost less, have more power etc, etc and generally are know to be more reliable with less maintenance.
It's like comparing a Gucci cotton dress shirt with a cotton button down from Sear's.....they both cover your chest.....but that's where the similarities end!!
My main reason in choosing Ducati....women love them & women have B--Bies!! [evil] [beer]
I love boobiessss
Quote from: 118811 on October 30, 2012, 01:46:28 PM
Agreed with most before me.....no need to convince other's.....just to ride a bike is the main choice.
That said.....to choose a Ducati is kinda a lifestyle; hobby; club mentality etc. Japanese bikes generally cost less, have more power etc, etc and generally are know to be more reliable with less maintenance.
It's like comparing a Gucci cotton dress shirt with a cotton button down from Sear's.....they both cover your chest.....but that's where the similarities end!!
My main reason in choosing Ducati....women love them & women have B--Bies!! [evil] [beer]
This post is dripping with the pretentious garbage that I hate about the Ducati culture. Smug [puke]
I hope to be HALF the squid valentino rossi and jorge lorenzo are [popcorn]
I'm surprised this thread is still going.
I'm concentrating on paying the bills, living with a woman, not getting shot at work, when is the best time to put my ailing cat down, am I making the best use of my time on Earth, etc, etc....I'm certainly not going to spend any time trying to convince someone one motorcycle is better then the other.
Quote from: hbliam on October 30, 2012, 08:11:24 PM
I'm surprised this thread is still going.
I'm concentrating on paying the bills, living with a woman, not getting shot at work, when is the best time to put my ailing cat down, am I making the best use of my time on Earth, etc, etc....I'm certainly not going to spend any time trying to convince someone one motorcycle is better then the other.
Of course not....lucky you, you're riding a Pani.
You are trying to avoid speeding tickets!!!
I'm just jealous
Quote from: polivo on October 30, 2012, 07:25:26 PM
I hope to be HALF the squid valentino rossi and jorge lorenzo are [popcorn]
Who the heck thinks they are squids?
have you seen the video of Rossi wheeling a scooter? or hayden riding in shorts and no gloves?
squids!!!
Quote from: dufukincati on October 30, 2012, 06:56:35 PM
...the pretentious garbage that I hate about the Ducati culture. Smug [puke]
I've often wondered where this comes from?
is it an elitist thing?
is it an: "I can afford something more expensive than you can so I'm better than you" kind of thing?
Duc's aren't better then the jap bikes. Japs run smoother, run longer, perform better, and cost less. To try and sell someone on Ducati as a better bike is useless. That being said I will most likely never own anything other than Ducati.
Quote from: NorDog on October 31, 2012, 11:39:19 AM
Who the heck thinks they are squids?
Theres a previous statement up here, "Jap bikes are for squids".
Quote from: polivo on October 31, 2012, 02:27:05 PM
Theres a previous statement up here, "Jap bikes are for squids".
Well, like I said yesterday, I haven't read the whole thing here so I didn't see "Jap bikes are for squids."
I just want to ensure that statment is not attributed to me even though I think I did introduce the term "squid" to the conversation recently.
Squids......like that term!!! [evil]
RE Japanese bikes....my next bike will most likely be a R1 or a Honda RR.
Lorenzo & Vali ride Japanese bike because they're under contract....it's their job. I would bet their personal bike's would be Italian...just guessing ??? ??? [thumbsup]
But, the reason I have a Monster now is I like having something that is not seen on every corner. I also like the unique sound of open clutch & V Twin.
I also feel that Ducati hard parts (materials, metal) might be of better quality than Japanese.....sure seems by experience that to be the case.
Quote from: dufukincati on October 30, 2012, 06:56:35 PM
This post is dripping with the pretentious garbage that I hate about the Ducati culture. Smug [puke]
I wonder did you remove all the Ducati logo's so you don't project the "Ducati" elitist image? :o
Quote from: scaramanga on October 29, 2012, 02:22:49 PM
this summer we revived a mothballed '86 ninja600 without an engine rebuild.this thing spent almost 20 years in a shed(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u662/scaramanga3/IMG_20110813_162341_zps4ba26f66.jpg)
I bet the same can't be said of a Ducati. The love of two wheels makes you my friend......make the beast with two backs stereotypes. [Dolph] [Dolph]
Quote from: muskrat on October 31, 2012, 04:45:18 PM
I bet the same can't be said of a Ducati. The love of two wheels makes you my friend......make the beast with two backs stereotypes. [Dolph] [Dolph]
So does this response preclude the necessity of further responses? ;D
Quote from: jaxduc on October 26, 2012, 06:28:16 PM
saying ducatis are better than Japanese bikes is like saying that my college sports team is better than yours.
Only if your college sports team is the Indiana Hoosiers and Japanese bike's college sports team is Notre Dame Fighting Irish. [cheeky]
My last couple bikes have been Japanese and they were all better than my Ducati has been... and I bought the Duc new.
I love my bike but it isn't as reliable as the Japanese bikes I've owned. Still, I'd probably buy another Ducati.
Best bang for the buck will never be a Ducati.
how about this analogy........
There are 2 women at the bar.... 8)
1. Super hot, curves mini skirt...high heels, 5'8'' 36D...sexy [evil] [drool]
2. Very cute, pant suit...little makeup, 5'4''....your mother would love her!!! [roll]
which one do you want to go to the movies with 1 or 2? [Dolph]
^Yes but which one of the girls is from Italy and which one is from Japan? ;D
I always tell my friends to get Japanese bikes if they want reliable bikes. Having said that, I believe that with proper care and maintenance any brand of bike is reliable and will serve the owner for a loong time.
Quote from: 118811 on October 31, 2012, 06:38:28 PM
how about this analogy........
There are 2 women at the bar.... 8)
1. Super hot, curves mini skirt...high heels, 5'8'' 36D...sexy [evil] [drool]
2. Very cute, pant suit...little makeup, 5'4''....your mother would love her!!! [roll]
which one do you want to go to the movies with 1 or 2? [Dolph]
Both, Duh...
You guys are so funny...taking a hot chick to the movies instead of bed. [laugh]
Quote from: 118811 on October 31, 2012, 06:38:28 PM
how about this analogy........
There are 2 women at the bar.... 8)
1. Super hot, curves mini skirt...high heels, 5'8'' 36D...sexy [evil] [drool]
2. Very cute, pant suit...little makeup, 5'4''....your mother would love her!!! [roll]
which one do you want to go to the movies with 1 or 2? [Dolph]
Both... But id prefer Nr 1 ... Seems more like a ducati description... LOL
well it appears that the OPs original question officially blew up in his/her face...
...and for good reason [thumbsup]