Good job guys. :P
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568135/1-cop-killed-2-others-shot-amid-manhunt-for-ex-lapd-officer/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568135/1-cop-killed-2-others-shot-amid-manhunt-for-ex-lapd-officer/)
What are you referencing? The shooting of the wrong trucks? Yeah, that's no bueno. Bad set of circumstances. One of the vics came rolling onto a street blacked out in a dark colored crew cab (like the suspects) and threw something out the window at a guarded target location.
Hopefully they find this POS before he kills anyone else.
No Bueno? Ya think
Delivering newspapers just got a lot more hazardous.
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on February 08, 2013, 05:58:31 AM
Delivering newspapers just got a lot more hazardous.
And a lot more lucrative.
Quote from: hbliam on February 08, 2013, 08:21:33 AM
And a lot more lucrative.
no kidding.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-shootings-newspaper-carriers.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-shootings-newspaper-carriers.html)
An attorney representing two women who were delivering newspapers when they were shot by police during a massive manhunt for an ex-LAPD officer called the incident "unacceptable," saying his clients looked nothing like the suspect.
<snip>
Hernandez, who attorney Glen T. Jonas said was shot twice in the back, was in stable condition late Thursday. Carranza received stitches on her finger.
<snip>
"Tragically, we believe this is a case of mistaken identity," LAPD Chief Charlie Beck told reporters earlier Thursday about the shooting.charlie might be onto something there...
unmake the beast with two backsingbelievable... [bang]
Quote from: hbliam on February 08, 2013, 12:11:45 AM
Bad set of circumstances.
Yeah, especially when you consider that the truck they were looking (out) for is a Nissan, and one of the trucks they shot up was a Toyota.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 09, 2013, 11:06:04 AM
Yeah, especially when you consider that the truck they were looking (out) for is a Nissan, and one of the trucks they shot up was a Toyota.
Yeah, there's no way he could have been driving another truck. [roll]
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 01:01:25 PM
Yeah, there's no way he could have been driving another truck. [roll]
Or maybe they should have done a better job assessing and identifying their target before firing.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 09, 2013, 01:26:02 PM
Or maybe they should have done a better job assessing and identifying their target before firing.
I agree with that generally but we of course don't have all the info.
A lot of bullet holes in that truck.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/3fd9e202f1a8d63cf04118fd955a9fac.jpg)
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 01:35:28 PM
I agree with that generally but we of course don't have all the info.
...and probably never will.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 01:50:46 PM
...and probably never will.
The DA will. You and I don't need it.
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 02:06:58 PM
The DA will. You and I don't need it.
Need isn't the point.
The fact the DA knows makes it public information IMO much like the video from dash cams, unless of course it's so damning the court seals it.
Which, again IMO, is what will most likely happen.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 02:27:10 PM
Need isn't the point.
The fact the DA knows makes it public information IMO much like the video from dash cams, unless of course it's so damning the court seals it.
Which, again IMO, is what will most likely happen.
Nope. There is a special detail in the DA's office that handles police shootings. When they are done they will release a report. And if you think an attorney at the DA gives two shits about any cop you are mistaken. If they can hang them they will.
And how can anything about this not be damning? Calling conspiracy and coverup is premature.
The victims are ok (the main concern) and will certainly get a large payout.
At least we agree on it being damning. I didn't say there was any conspiracy, but I do believe information will be withheld.
Are two officers in question still being paid? That would be a conspiracy.
And as far as the victims being OK...you take a couple in the back get back to me on how OK feels. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 02:55:17 PM
And as far as the victims being OK...you take a couple in the back get back to me on how OK feels. ;)
+1
Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 02:55:17 PM
At least we agree on it being damning. I didn't say there was any conspiracy, but I do believe information will be withheld.
Are two officers in question still being paid? That would be a conspiracy.
And as far as the victims being OK...you take a couple in the back get back to me on how OK feels. ;)
What information do you need exactly? And how is accusing them of withholding information not accusing them of conspiracy?
Are they still being paid? Of course. Why would they not?
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 03:51:32 PM
What information do you need exactly? And how is accusing them of withholding information not accusing them of conspiracy?
Are they still being paid? Of course. Why would they not?
I want to know why this ex officer has chosen this path. No conspiracy? I'm not stupid.
Whatever happened to the brotherhood? You called him a POS.
They shouldn't be paid because they're criminals. They assaulted two innocent citizens. They should be in jail just like I would be if I shot up a pickup and wounded two people. Those two assholes are no better than me...or are they in your opinion?
Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 04:55:01 PM
I want to know why this ex officer has chosen this path. No conspiracy? I'm not stupid.
Whatever happened to the brotherhood? You called him a POS.
They shouldn't be paid because they're criminals. They assaulted two innocent citizens. They should be in jail just like I would be if I shot up a pickup and wounded two people. Those two assholes are no better than me...or are they in your opinion?
1-Why did some guy decide to murder three (+) people? I don't know, cause he's a ding? Usually something is off mentally when people decide to do kill people. Why was he fired? Read the report, it's online. I don't think there is a conspiracy and I know I'm not stupid. You really think a dozen different people in a several different sections conspired to fire this guy? Why? What's their motive? Do you realize the first girl he killed was the daughter of his defense attorney? The guy was on his side.
2-He's a murderer and he was fired. He's not my brother.
3-The totality of the circumstances and the lack of intent says they aren't criminals. You already admitted you don't have all the info. Some of this stuff might be a bit out of your wheelhouse as well. I don't know paint. I don't comment on how to do it right.
Don't get the impression I think the Torrance shootings are OK. Far from it.
Know your target, what's in line with it and what's behind it, 'never' shoot anything you haven't positively identified.
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 05:16:33 PM
1-Why did some guy decide to murder three (+) people? I don't know, cause he's a ding? Usually something is off mentally when people decide to do kill people. Why was he fired? Read the report, it's online. I don't think there is a conspiracy and I know I'm not stupid. You really think a dozen different people in a several different sections conspired to fire this guy? Why? What's their motive? Do you realize the first girl he killed was the daughter of his defense attorney? The guy was on his side.
2-He's a murderer and he was fired. He's not my brother.
3-The totality of the circumstances and the lack of intent says they aren't criminals. You already admitted you don't have all the info. Some of this stuff might be a bit out of your wheelhouse as well. I don't know paint. I don't comment on how to do it right.
Don't get the impression I think the Torrance shootings are OK. Far from it.
1...I don't know...I think somethings wrong with the picture.
2...lack of loyalty? He was fired and then became a 'murderer'...let's be technically correct.
3...They assaulted two innocent citizens...they are criminals. When the police are held to the same standards as citizens then that argument will be valid.
You said we don't have 'all' the info, not me...I have enough info to make up my mind....and you've made enough references to your buddy Boris and his paint work to make me think you think you know paint.
Stop insulting my intelligence.
You're not in control here...difficult for a cop...I know ;)
The only good thing that came out of the accidental [roll] shooting of the paper girls, is that LA's finest couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a snow shovel, so they are both alive.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 09, 2013, 05:48:46 PM
Know your target, what's in line with it and what's behind it, 'never' shoot anything you haven't positively identified.
This.
Plus, saying they aren't criminal for their actions is a bit naive. They made a bone-head call without properly assessing the situation.
Let's say I'm out in Asskrackistan and on patrol. I know that there's been some asshat dressed up in a brown man-jams and shot up a couple of OPs. Well let's just say that I see someone in similar man-jams walking near an OP. Am I clear to engage them?
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 09, 2013, 06:32:15 PM
This.
Plus, saying they aren't criminal for their actions is a bit naive. They made a bone-head call without properly assessing the situation.
Let's say I'm out in Asskrackistan and on patrol. I know that there's been some asshat dressed up in a brown man-jams and shot up a couple of OPs. Well let's just say that I see someone in similar man-jams walking near an OP. Am I clear to engage them?
Have you had sufficient training to be qualified to make that call? ;D
I'm certain every cop has. [roll]
^^^ If you want to go make big rocks into little rocks and little rocks into sand, you can.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 09, 2013, 06:32:15 PM
This.
Plus, saying they aren't criminal for their actions is a bit naive. They made a bone-head call without properly assessing the situation.
Let's say I'm out in Asskrackistan and on patrol. I know that there's been some asshat dressed up in a brown man-jams and shot up a couple of OPs. Well let's just say that I see someone in similar man-jams walking near an OP. Am I clear to engage them?
well, if you're looking for a 270lb black man in a nissan, you shouldn't feel free to engage two hispanic women (47yo and 71yo) in a toyota.
In before the lock... Nevermind double standards are in full effect...
[roll]
Quote from: Uncle Mofo on February 09, 2013, 06:43:47 PM
In before the lock... Nevermind double standards are in full effect...
[roll]
Shhh :D
Quote from: Uncle Mofo on February 09, 2013, 06:43:47 PM
In before the lock... Nevermind double standards are in full effect...
[roll]
What's your point Grifo?
I believed the cop talk was a no no.
I do not believe that the shooting was justified, but everyone is presumed innocent unless proven guilty. I'm sure those detectives are on suspension now till the investigation is completed.
As for the brotherhood, there's no such of thing anymore.
I hope this tragedy will end soon with that psychopath dead or in custody. I pray that no more innocent people get hurt in the process.
Quote from: Uncle Mofo on February 09, 2013, 07:14:53 PM
I believed the cop talk was a no no.
I do not believe that the shooting was justified, but everyone is presumed innocent unless proven guilty. I'm sure those detectives are on suspension now till the investigation is completed.
As for the brotherhood, there's no such of thing anymore.
I hope this tragedy will end soon with that psychopath dead or in custody. I pray that no more innocent people get hurt in the process.
Cop talk is not a no no anymore.
No one is presumed innocent in the eyes of the police...you need to walk on the other side for a day or two
You would know better than I about the 'brotherhood'...there used to be loyalty in this world.
What set him off? He was a police officer. What happened?
Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 05:56:50 PM
1...I don't know...I think somethings wrong with the picture.
2...lack of loyalty? He was fired and then became a 'murderer'...let's be technically correct.
3...They assaulted two innocent citizens...they are criminals. When the police are held to the same standards as citizens then that argument will be valid. You said we don't have 'all' the info, not me...I have enough info to make up my mind....and you've made enough references to your buddy Boris and his paint work to make me think you think you know paint.
Stop insulting my intelligence.
You're not in control here...difficult for a cop...I know ;)
1. Exactly, you don't know.
2. Fine he was fired first. The order doesn't matter. He's not my brother. You really want people to be loyal to murderers? And I wasn't loyal or not loyal to him before, I didn't know him, never heard of him.
3. They shot at three innocent citizens, lets be technically correct. Then, learn the law, police procedure, and police policy. Or keep doing it as you are with just "enough" info to make up your mind. That's a great way to draw a conclusion. With bias and minimal information.
I referred Boris and said he does good work. If it's good enough for Moto GP its probably good enough. And I referred him to people that can drive into his shop instead of mailing you something.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 09, 2013, 05:48:46 PM
Know your target, what's in line with it and what's behind it, 'never' shoot anything you haven't positively identified.
You can't be serious.
http://tinyurl.com/b8tu3tt (http://tinyurl.com/b8tu3tt)
wow
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 07:30:09 PM
You can't be serious.
http://tinyurl.com/b8tu3tt (http://tinyurl.com/b8tu3tt)
No, I was make the beast with two backsing joking, officer. :-*
Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 07:19:44 PM
No one is presumed innocent in the eyes of the police...you need to walk on the other side for a day or two
As do you.
I think its coming
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 07:25:42 PM
1. Exactly, you don't know.
2. Fine he was fired first. The order doesn't matter. He's not my brother. You really want people to be loyal to murderers? And I wasn't loyal or not loyal to him before, I didn't know him, never heard of him.
3. They shot at three innocent citizens, lets be technically correct. Then, learn the law, police procedure, and police policy. Or keep doing it as you are with just "enough" info to make up your mind. That's a great way to draw a conclusion. With bias and minimal information.
I referred Boris and said he does good work. If it's good enough for Moto GP its probably good enough. And I referred him to people that can drive into his shop instead of mailing you something.
OK...
tell me how police procedure justifies firing at three innocent citizens...
and I'll still know just enough to know that they were wrong.
And you're right...I'm biased.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 07:35:29 PM
OK...
tell me how police procedure justifies firing at three innocent citizens...
and I'll still know just enough to know that they were wrong.
And you're right...I'm biased.
So what was your previous conviction for?
Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 07:37:20 PM
the only law I'm above is some imaginary internet shit.
I don't kill people and claim I'm right.
[bow_down]
Its happening!!
The thread is locking all around us!
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 07:33:04 PM
As do you.
I don't think so.
I can't be so hypocritical as to think that shooting at and wounding two innocent people is in any way OK or remotely justified regardless of any circumstance.
Or does that work in police procedure...kind of like collateral damage in military terms?
Keep in mind...we're not at war in this country, unlike our soldiers that are at war abroad.
Educate me.
BTW...you never responded as to how taking two in the back was OK.
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 07:39:09 PM
So what was your previous conviction for?
Littering...and creating a nuisance
Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 07:47:10 PM
I don't think so.
I can't be so hypocritical as to think that shooting at and wounding two innocent people is in any way OK or remotely justified regardless of any circumstance.
Or does that work in police procedure...kind of like collateral damage in military terms?
Keep in mind...we're not at war in this country, unlike our soldiers that are at war abroad.
Educate me.
BTW...you never responded as to how taking two in the back was OK.
Littering...and creating a nuisance
I never it said it was okay. I said we don't have all the info. We can hypothetical this to death but there are circumstances that could (and have) lead to the wrong person being shot. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback any and every scene.
I know the shooter in this deal from when we worked together at another agency. He is literally the nicest, most ethical guy you'll ever meet. Bad things happen. Doesn't make the cop a criminal.
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_21838632/district-attorney-downey-police-officer-acted-lawfully-fatal (http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_21838632/district-attorney-downey-police-officer-acted-lawfully-fatal)
Collateral damage in the military is one thing. The military killing the wrong people is another.
Littering..eh. Creating a nuisance...shocker. :)
that website attacked my computer.
Quote from: jaxduc on February 09, 2013, 07:58:30 PM
that website attacked my computer.
Visually? Yeah the press telegram website sucks.
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 07:56:29 PM
I never it said it was okay. I said we don't have all the info. We can hypothetical this to death but there are circumstances that could (and have) lead to the wrong person being shot. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback any and every scene.
I know the shooter in this deal from when we worked together at another agency. He is literally the nicest, most ethical guy you'll ever meet. Bad things happen. Doesn't make the cop a criminal.
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_21838632/district-attorney-downey-police-officer-acted-lawfully-fatal (http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_21838632/district-attorney-downey-police-officer-acted-lawfully-fatal)
Collateral damage in the military is one thing. Killing the wrong people is another.
Littering..eh. Creating a nuisance...shocker. :)
Acting lawfully and killing someone is right or OK? There should be no penalty for that? You have claimed that the police are extremely well trained. It's escaping me how that could be true based on this incident.
Yeah...
I'm a real criminal. Just like Arlo.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 08:07:30 PM
Acting lawfully and killing someone is right or OK? There should be no penalty for that? You have claimed that the police are extremely well trained. It's escaping me how that could be true based on this incident.
Yeah...
I'm a real criminal. Just like Arlo.
Killing someone can be lawful, yes. Did these guys do the right thing? Obviously not. Is it criminal? Probably not.
The police are human, even the well trained ones.
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 08:11:34 PM
Killing someone can be lawful, yes. Did these guys do the right thing? Obviously not. Is it criminal? Probably not.
The police are human, even the well trained ones.
We'll have to disagree about how killing an innocent person can in any way be 'lawful'.
To err is human...killing some one that didn't 'deserve it' is criminal. Whether it's a LEO or a regular citizen there needs to be a price paid for that IMO. It's an act that can't be dismissed. The fact that our society can dismiss it is disturbing to me.
You won't change my mind on that.
I'm going to drop this here.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 09, 2013, 01:43:53 PM
A lot of bullet holes in that truck.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/3fd9e202f1a8d63cf04118fd955a9fac.jpg)
I'm with painter on this one. That's a lot of shooting
at a target that wasn't properly identified. I don't see how it couldn't be criminal.
From the officers response I'd say there's a 100% chance that the suspect won't be taken in alive.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130210,0,3955268.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130210,0,3955268.story)
Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity
Torrance police say the man was driving a pickup resembling the fugitive's. The incident happened just after the LAPD fired on women delivering newspapers nearby.
David Perdue was on his way to sneak in some surfing before work Thursday morning when police flagged him down. They asked who he was and where he was headed, then sent him on his way.
Seconds later, Perdue's attorney said, a Torrance police cruiser slammed into his pickup and officers opened fire; none of the bullets struck Perdue.
His pickup, police later explained, matched the description of the one belonging to Christopher Jordan Dorner â€" the ex-cop who has evaded authorities after allegedly killing three and wounding two more. But the pickups were different makes and colors. And Perdue looks nothing like Dorner: He's several inches shorter and about a hundred pounds lighter. And Perdue is white; Dorner is black.
LA' s finest at their best.
I'm having a really hard time with this. I keep putting myself in that truck.
I'm a concrete contractor and I'm often in neighborhoods that I'm not familiar with . The scenario goes like this. It's 4am I'm driving slowly looking for the job sight I set up the day before. All of a sudden I'm under a barrage of gun fire. At this point the absolute best thing for me is to get hit and lose consciousness. Because if I don't my life as I know it will be over.
All I know is my life is in danger. I draw my weapon and return fire at my attackers. Thus "validating" the police use of deadly force. And if by some luck I actually hit and killed my attacker, I'm now a cop killer. I'm going to jail forever or going to be shot dead. All because someone didn't do his job and positively identify a suspect.
seems like the police are scared shitless of this guy
I could say a lot but won't go down a bad path
Quote from: derby on February 09, 2013, 11:11:36 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130210,0,3955268.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130210,0,3955268.story)
Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity
Kind of hard to say that the officers involved in this second episode didn't act in a criminal way. The first occurrence of engaging the wrong vehicle had to have gone out on the radio, and there is no way that people weren't told to tighten their shit up. Plus, the guy had just been stopped and cleared.
And yes, while this can easily be construed as monday morning quarterbacking, it more comes down to having a sound understanding of acceptable training and tactics, which these guys obviously didn't have going for them.
There is a huge difference between mistaken identity and failing to identify. Regardless of the facts available this is already being spun.
Gluten free poptarts......get your gluten free pootarts. Free for all my homies.
My heart breaks for those in front of and behind the trigger.
If this guy had gone out and killed Joe Blow and his girl Jane and then sent letters and posted on fb how he was going to kill all bakers, cupcake makers, and such there would be vastly different police response.
Even being an ex-cop would not make a difference in the above.
Instead, he went after them and their family. The police are jacked up and ready to get that sob cop killer, traitor to the badge.
It is a sad situation all the way around. Innocent people getting shot up, cops are going off on pure adrenaline. And lets not forget that this guy sounds like he needed some mental health help and did not get it.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 10, 2013, 12:12:30 AM
LA' s finest at their best.
+1 Not much else to say. :-\
Quote from: hbliam on February 09, 2013, 08:11:34 PM
Is it criminal? Probably not.
And that right there is the problem.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 10, 2013, 06:30:53 AM
Kind of hard to say that the officers involved in this second episode didn't act in a criminal way. The first occurrence of engaging the wrong vehicle had to have gone out on the radio, and there is no way that people weren't told to tighten their shit up.
LAPD officers and Torrance officers are not on the same radio frequency. So no, the second set of officers had not heard about the first incident. In fact, the second set was responding to calls of gunfire that had just occurred.
One of the boys was reading Dorner's Facebook page the other night. He said some crazy shit.
Makes you wonder how he got hired as a cop?
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 10, 2013, 12:12:30 AM
LA' s finest at their best.
Funny. I just looked at the websites for CNN, abc, and CBS, and they all had headlines about Dorner and the reward for him. No headlines about any of the 3 innocent victims of police shootings so far. Huge surprise. [roll]
Quote from: swampduc on February 10, 2013, 02:14:09 PM
Funny. I just looked at the websites for CNN, abc, and CBS, and they all had headlines about Dorner and the reward for him. No headlines about any of the 3 innocent victims of police shootings so far. Huge surprise. [roll]
The reward is new so of course it's a big deal right now. Plus it's a million bucks.
I've read several articles concerning the victims in the past few days. Try checking the local papers instead of national outlets. LA Times, OC Register, Long Beach Press Telegram, etc....
The slanted coverage by the national media was my point.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568570/manhunt-for-ex-lapd-officer-christopher-dorner-drags-on-in-the-california-mountains/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568570/manhunt-for-ex-lapd-officer-christopher-dorner-drags-on-in-the-california-mountains/)
We can all rest easy. Charlie sheen is on it...
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/charlie-sheen-dorner-call-170740810.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/charlie-sheen-dorner-call-170740810.html)
http://wgntv.com/2013/02/10/1m-reward-offered-in-california-manhunt/ (http://wgntv.com/2013/02/10/1m-reward-offered-in-california-manhunt/)
Quote from: swampduc on February 10, 2013, 03:00:10 PM
The slanted coverage by the national media was my point.
I don't think it's slanted. The most important (and most newsworthy) thing right now is finding Dorner before he kills anyone else.
http://www.dailybulletin.com/breakingnews/ci_22560683/name-slain-riverside-police-officer-released-michael-crain (http://www.dailybulletin.com/breakingnews/ci_22560683/name-slain-riverside-police-officer-released-michael-crain)
RIP Officer Crain.
Found him.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/report-ex-cop-fugitive-shoot-police-213309749.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/report-ex-cop-fugitive-shoot-police-213309749.html)
He killed another cop and wounded a second.
I believe it's gonna burn to the ground.
Okay, that guy looks a lot like Dokes from Dexter:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Krdh7Cr7WAk/TSvmi_XQriI/AAAAAAAAAwk/VQsWWxgRMsY/s400/erik-king.jpg)
Without ruining the relevant season for anyone that hasn't seen it, there are other similarities here. I think there's a serial killer on the loose and this guy is taking the fall...
I'll see myself out.
Quote from: sugarcrook on February 12, 2013, 08:33:21 PM
Okay, that guy looks a lot like Dokes from Dexter:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Krdh7Cr7WAk/TSvmi_XQriI/AAAAAAAAAwk/VQsWWxgRMsY/s400/erik-king.jpg)
Without ruining the relevant season for anyone that hasn't seen it, there are other similarities here. I think there's a serial killer on the loose and this guy is taking the fall...
I'll see myself out.
Que [bang]
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/police-discuss-setting-dorner-cabin-on-fire-on-scanners-scanner-traffic-silenced-says-listeners-2563502.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/police-discuss-setting-dorner-cabin-on-fire-on-scanners-scanner-traffic-silenced-says-listeners-2563502.html)
Interesting stuff.
I knew he wasn't going to be taken alive....
given the bad identification shootings incidents involvied earlier with this guy though, I can't help but ask what the chances are that the body inside doesn't identify as him
It's probably him but you're right it's certainly possible another case of mistaken identity by "the man" [roll]
crispy [bacon] anyone?
Quote from: zooom on February 13, 2013, 09:23:33 AM
I knew he wasn't going to be taken alive....
This
Quote from: zooom on February 13, 2013, 09:23:33 AM
given the bad identification shootings incidents involvied earlier with this guy though, I can't help but ask what the chances are that the body inside doesn't identify as him
This will be the interesting part. The guy did have some SOFesque training, and promised to bring asymmetric warfare upon the LAPD. There's an ever so slim chance that the remains in the cabin were a plant, and not his.
Quote from: zooom on February 13, 2013, 09:23:33 AM
I knew he wasn't going to be taken alive....
His choice. He could have called Charlie Sheen.
Quote from: hbliam on February 13, 2013, 02:46:44 PM
His choice. <snip>
Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
Quote from: zooom on February 13, 2013, 09:23:33 AM
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given the bad identification shootings incidents involvied earlier with this guy though, I can't help but ask what the chances are that the body inside doesn't identify as him
Reads just like a novel made Hollywood thriller.
Considering how many dark pickup trucks are on the road, I can't believe they didn't get any confirmation of the drivers before shooting. Piss poor work using a pickup as a finger print.
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Quote from: ducpainter on February 09, 2013, 04:55:01 PM
I want to know why this ex officer has chosen this path. No conspiracy? I'm not stupid.
Whatever happened to the brotherhood? You called him a POS.
They shouldn't be paid because they're criminals. They assaulted two innocent citizens. They should be in jail just like I would be if I shot up a pickup and wounded two people. Those two assholes are no better than me...or are they in your opinion?
This.
Quote from: DucNaked on February 10, 2013, 12:27:54 AM
I'm having a really hard time with this. I keep putting myself in that truck.
I'm a concrete contractor and I'm often in neighborhoods that I'm not familiar with . The scenario goes like this. It's 4am I'm driving slowly looking for the job sight I set up the day before. All of a sudden I'm under a barrage of gun fire. At this point the absolute best thing for me is to get hit and lose consciousness. Because if I don't my life as I know it will be over.
All I know is my life is in danger. I draw my weapon and return fire at my attackers. Thus "validating" the police use of deadly force. And if by some luck I actually hit and killed my attacker, I'm now a cop killer. I'm going to jail forever or going to be shot dead. All because someone didn't do his job and positively identify a suspect.
And this. Absolutely nailed it. You have the right to STFU and pray a cop doesn't murder you, your family member, or your dog (also your family member) in this country when it comes to a citizen vs the police. Meanwhile cops who murder, rape, steal, cover up said crimes, etc get paid leave and a promise that "the matter will be investigated internally" Which almost always winds up with the cop being vindicated.
This country ain't free. If you drive your vehicle 5 miles over the limit, a man with a gun is going to hold you hostage while he writes up your ransom note. (ticket) If you resist being held hostage by this armed thug, the armed thug will place you in chains and indefinitely kidnap you. If you resist being indefinitely kidnapped, you will get murdered.
Land of the free indeed. Oh I know, the cops a hero and the dead citizen is to blame cuz he shoulda just been a good little sheep. [roll]
And with that...I'll be sticking to the moto threads. It's already established that I'm an anti government/anti authoritarian hooligan and I'd really like to finish building my M900 before getting banned... :)
Quote from: Rudemouthsky on April 09, 2013, 08:17:33 AM
And with that...I'll be sticking to the moto threads. It's already established that I'm an anti government/anti authoritarian hooligan and I'd really like to finish building my M900 before getting banned... :)
You've been warned once...yet you continue to push it.
Take 2 days off.