Seems there's been some changes over the winter....
(http://gpone.com/albertocani/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/m1_2013_telaio.jpg)
Some rather fluffy analysis here:
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2013/02/whats-the-deal-with-the-yamaha-m1s-new-triangle-frame/ (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2013/02/whats-the-deal-with-the-yamaha-m1s-new-triangle-frame/)
And a bit more thoughtful analysis here:
http://gpone.com/albertocani/2013/02/12/tecnica-la-sinuosa-m1-e-la-spigolosa-honda-cosi-uguali-cosi-diverse/ (http://gpone.com/albertocani/2013/02/12/tecnica-la-sinuosa-m1-e-la-spigolosa-honda-cosi-uguali-cosi-diverse/)
Plug into Google Translate to get the slightly awkward normal service.
LMAO
Yamaha is using the front of the Ducati GP framless and integrated it into the beam frame.. [laugh]
Quote from: Raux on February 15, 2013, 01:34:53 AM
LMAO
Yamaha is using the front of the Ducati GP framless and integrated it into the beam frame.. [laugh]
Meaning it's really nothing like the Ducati frameless concept. :P
Quote from: Triple J on February 15, 2013, 08:22:10 AM
Meaning it's really nothing like the Ducati frameless concept. :P
meaning they one-up'd ducati... oh thanks for the idea you can't figure out, we'll take it and improve it.
Quote from: Raux on February 15, 2013, 12:05:58 PM
meaning they one-up'd ducati... oh thanks for the idea you can't figure out, we'll take it and improve it.
Not really. The Yamaha still has a frame connecting the headtube to the swingarm, whereas the D16 used the motor as the connection without a frame. Increasing the area (i.e. moment of inertia) of the head tube connection to allow for a thinner wall and also an overall stiffer structure isn't the same thing as eliminating the frame altogether. This would have happened regardless of what Ducati did, as it sounds like a more compact motor makes it possible.