160/60-16 Rear
130/60-16 Front
I think Michelin is the only maker A59 & M59's
Note- I also posted this in "Parts Wanted"
Any help locating tires would be greatly appreciated
Quote from: bozcorob on July 02, 2008, 09:25:44 AM
160/60-16 Rear
130/60-16 Front
I think Michelin is the only maker A59 & M59's
Note- I also posted this in "Parts Wanted"
Any help locating tires would be greatly appreciated
Good luck finding some.......according to the guys over at http://forums.ducatipaso.org the fronts have pretty much been dried up for about a year and the rears have been difficult to find for 6 months or more.
Quote from: Desmo Demon on July 02, 2008, 11:55:54 AM
Good luck finding some.......according to the guys over at http://forums.ducatipaso.org the fronts have pretty much been dried up for about a year and the rears have been difficult to find for 6 months or more.
I really don't want to change to 17" wheels [roll]
It's one of those things you don't think all the way through when buying an older bike.......
Who'da thunk you couldn't buy tires :'(
I already joined the Paso forum - and saw the bad news - just trying to expand the search here
Have you looked into using a 130/70 for the front? it's an inch taller but i think it will fit under the mudguard.
plenty of those.
rears? try a 140 or 150 with a low profile. the paso swingarm is pretty wide.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on July 02, 2008, 01:18:50 PM
Have you looked into using a 130/70 for the front? it's an inch taller but i think it will fit under the mudguard.
plenty of those.
rears? try a 140 or 150 with a low profile. the paso swingarm is pretty wide.
I have heard that the 130/70 front will fit if you space up the fender. :)
And that a 150/80 will fit IF you modify the swing arm :P
I have found a 180/60-16 but need to get dimensions - prolly won't work
bozcorob,
sounds like you have it!!!!! hope it was all you expected.
Capt baz
If you can make the 130/70 fit, there are a couple of options at motorcycle-superstore.
bridgestone battlax bt-014 front 130/70-16
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/394/6006/ITEM/Bridgestone-Battlax-BT-014-Front-Tire.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/394/6006/ITEM/Bridgestone-Battlax-BT-014-Front-Tire.aspx)
bridgestone bt-016 130/70-16 front
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/394/14770/ITEM/Bridgestone-Battlax-BT-016-Front-Tire.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/394/14770/ITEM/Bridgestone-Battlax-BT-016-Front-Tire.aspx)
bridgestone battlax bt-016 160/60-16 rear
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/394/14773/ITEM/Bridgestone-Battlax-BT-016-Rear-Tire.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/394/14773/ITEM/Bridgestone-Battlax-BT-016-Rear-Tire.aspx)
maxxis m6029 130/70-16 front
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/394/6112/ITEM/Maxxis-Supermaxx-M6029-Radial-Front-Tire.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/394/6112/ITEM/Maxxis-Supermaxx-M6029-Radial-Front-Tire.aspx)
Quote from: bozcorob on July 02, 2008, 04:46:38 PM
I have heard that the 130/70 front will fit if you space up the fender. :)
And that a 150/80 will fit IF you modify the swing arm :P
I have found a 180/60-16 but need to get dimensions - prolly won't work
But will it handle like a sack of snakes?
Quote from: Speeddog on July 02, 2008, 05:37:58 PM
But will it handle like a sack of snakes?
Can you thread a needle with a rope.......
Where does your lap go when you stand up........
Never mind - I'm sure your right
i've seen them do pretty well with the taller tire.
it's only an additional inch and the tire's spec allows for a rim that wide. i doubt you'll notice any difference except in your speedo.
The front tire isn't the problem - the 130/70-16 is OK by me..........
It's the rear that is the missing link - the 150/80 requires moding the swing arm -
I think I'd rather go to 17's before I do that
How much? [cheeky]
Quote from: bozcorob on July 02, 2008, 07:02:45 PM
The front tire isn't the problem - the 130/70-16 is OK by me..........
It's the rear that is the missing link - the 150/80 requires moding the swing arm -
I think I'd rather go to 17's before I do that
IMO, just bite the bullet and do the 17's.
Get away from the weird harold tires, into sizes where you've got a boatload of choices.
There's reasons for bikes not running 16's anymore....
Quote from: Speeddog on July 02, 2008, 08:19:47 PM
IMO, just bite the bullet and do the 17's.
Get away from the weird harold tires, into sizes where you've got a boatload of choices.
There's reasons for bikes not running 16's anymore....
yep!
not to mention if you do it right, you can ditch the oddball paso rotors. which are unobtanium and not that great anyhow. i think you can put the 300mm rotors on with little effort (well, you need brackets) and you can continue using the same P08 calipers. plenty of 300mm rotors around for cheap cheap and they are semi floaters as opposed to the hard mounted stock setup.
I guess I'll be starting a "Save Rob's Paso Fund"
Anyone want to kick off the fund raiser with a hefty contribution ;D ;D
I loved the beautiful Oscam wheels that came on mine, and would look to find some tires that would fit if I still owned it - despite the sometimes quirky handling.
Quote from: bozcorob on July 03, 2008, 06:48:41 AM
I guess I'll be starting a "Save Rob's Paso Fund"
Anyone want to kick off the fund raiser with a hefty contribution ;D ;D
>sigh< the old style engine bikes are slowly disappearing.
one upgrade which will make your life worthwhile is a banjo bolt with bleed screw on the clutch. bleeding that clutch is a pregnant dog and it helps to have one on the master.
that's about all i have right now. i have 3 Alazzurras, so I have my own issues...
Quote from: ducatizzzz on July 03, 2008, 05:09:01 PM
>sigh< the old style engine bikes are slowly disappearing.
one upgrade which will make your life worthwhile is a banjo bolt with bleed screw on the clutch. bleeding that clutch is a pregnant dog and it helps to have one on the master.
that's about all i have right now. i have 3 Alazzurras, so I have my own issues...
Thanks!
And I guess we all have our cross to bear
Quote from: bozcorob on July 04, 2008, 09:19:26 AM
Thanks!
And I guess we all have our cross to bear
also, if you followed the Ignitech thread on TOB, the Ignitech unit has been successfully used on a Paso 750 (but not the others as I know of). The Paso 750 has a unique ignition system (well, unique to it, I think the CDIs are also on a Yugo (?)
Also, plenty of ppl have swapped the DCNF carb out for FCRs or even dellortos PHF's.
Also check out the Pantaheads list. The Paso isn't a Pantah per se, but the engine and much of the lower end is identical. The hard stuff is the same but the ignition system is different.
The tires are actually the biggest problem with the bike, else more would still be running I think. Some people don't like the looks, but I do, it's very retro and funky, plus Renzo Pasolini was a cool guy.
Bite the bullet and do the 17s, problem solved.
Chris
Sorry.
You needs 17's.
LA
17's? F' that you need 22's or bigger if you want to be a real pimp.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on July 04, 2008, 03:58:02 PM
also, if you followed the Ignitech thread on TOB, the Ignitech unit has been successfully used on a Paso 750 (but not the others as I know of). The Paso 750 has a unique ignition system (well, unique to it, I think the CDIs are also on a Yugo (?)
I have an upgraded ignition from Ferraci
Also, plenty of ppl have swapped the DCNF carb out for FCRs or even dellortos PHF's.
I've got Mikuni flatslides
Also check out the Pantaheads list. The Paso isn't a Pantah per se, but the engine and much of the lower end is identical. The hard stuff is the same but the ignition system is different.
My heads actually have a "high performance from Ferraci" metal tag - the pistons are domed and the ports cams are "modified"
The tires are actually the biggest problem with the bike, else more would still be running I think. Some people don't like the looks, but I do, it's very retro and funky, plus Renzo Pasolini was a cool guy.I agree 100% and I have already bought 17"s - just need to mount 'em up and prolly change calipers and rotors
Quote from: bozcorob on July 06, 2008, 10:35:52 AM
My heads actually have a "high performance from Ferraci" metal tag - the pistons are domed and the ports cams are "modified"
I agree 100% and I have already bought 17"s - just need to mount 'em up and prolly change calipers and rotors
The stock pistons are domed. the Paso engine had a 10:1 out of the factory as opposed to the other 750s (elefant) of the time with flat pistons and 9.2:1 comp. the later models that used the updated pantah engine case (600/750 M+SS) all had flat pistons. I have a set somewhere around here, but they are a VERY high dome. (I just disassembled a paso engine 2 months ago..)
I assume FBF just ported the heads, the cams were pretty steep as is for a street bike. i really would be curious what they did with the heads.
i'd love to use those pistons in something else, but it would require a serious head work and valve relo. the only thing i can do is bore out the Elefant 650 case I have and use the pistons with the original heads, more work than I want to do right now.. ;D
what kind of wheels did you get?
the FCR upgrade is the best thing you could do, I am impressed with the ignition setup. let me know if you want to sell the bike someday, I have a half dozen 16" tires in storage.. all new.. hermetically sealed in vac bags.
He got the old wheels off of my now defunct '02 Sport750 project. So they're the newer designed wheels with a 4.5 rear, 25mm front axle and a 17mm rear axle.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on July 06, 2008, 01:14:08 PM
He got the old wheels off of my now defunct '02 Sport750 project. So they're the newer designed wheels with a 4.5 rear, 25mm front axle and a 17mm rear axle.
what did you do with the rest of the bike?
Quote from: ducatizzzz on July 06, 2008, 11:28:39 AM
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, I have a half dozen 16" tires in storage.. all new.. hermetically sealed in vac bags.
How 'bout partin' with some of those tires you hording bi-atch [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Just wish I had the fore-thought
Stuart tells me these pistons are definitely not stock
Quote from: ducatizzzz on July 06, 2008, 03:01:46 PM
what did you do with the rest of the bike?
Still available if anyone's interested...
Quote from: bozcorob on July 07, 2008, 08:16:46 AM
How 'bout partin' with some of those tires you hording bi-atch [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Just wish I had the fore-thought
Stuart tells me these pistons are definitely not stock
I have two bikes that use them, I'd rather not. If they make a new batch, I'll eat my words (and the exorbitant price I paid to have them imported from australia)
Do you know the comp of the engine now? Just seems funny to swap domed pistons with domed pistons. The Paso was the first real production interference engine Ducati (well... Cagiva) made...
Quote from: ducatizzzz on July 07, 2008, 11:27:05 AM
I have two bikes that use them, I'd rather not. If they make a new batch, I'll eat my words (and the exorbitant price I paid to have them imported from australia)
Do you know the comp of the engine now? Just seems funny to swap domed pistons with domed pistons. The Paso was the first real production interference engine Ducati (well... Cagiva) made...
I was just kidding about the tires, If I had two sets I'd be keeping them, too.
- I am unsure about the comp ratio - I am not an expert, but I believe Duck-stew
I am going to try to find out something from FBF - I had a friend try to get some details about a SS of his that they had worked on and they basically told him to pound sand......
All I can do is try - maybe I'll get a hold of a sympathetic employee.............
I
Quote from: bozcorob on July 07, 2008, 01:23:32 PM
I am going to try to find out something from FBF - I had a friend try to get some details about a SS of his that they had worked on and they basically told him to pound sand......
that's funny. i bought a bike that Mikmar had worked on a while back. seller said he did a bunch of engine work and some tuning of the heads, forks, etc.
i called them up and the owner (Mike) called me back the same day -- with all the service records on the bike. gave me a list of things he did and what he found wrong..
.. and then called me back the next day because he found one more item.
too bad FBF doesn't do the same quality of cust service...
and they are only 2 hours apart...
Quote from: Duck-Stew on July 06, 2008, 01:14:08 PM
He got the old wheels off of my now defunct '02 Sport750 project. So they're the newer designed wheels with a 4.5 rear, 25mm front axle and a 17mm rear axle.
You may have some issues finding bearings for the front wheel hub to get the ID down to the 17mm for the stock Paso axle. Depending on what is available for bearings sizes, you may need to machine the hub 1-2mm for a larger OD for the bearing. I do not remember off the top of my head which ODs are available with a 17mm for bearings. I know I looked it up a while ago and posted something to that affect on the Paso Forum. I don't think you will have any problems getting bearings and making a spacer for the 17mm rear wheel to convert to the 20mm rear axle of the Paso.
With the rear 17" conversion and using the stock swingarm, you will have to watch out for the clearance between the center of the tire tread and the "U" section of the swingarm. If you go with too high of a profile tire and do not have the axle adjusters far enough back, you can rub the tire on the swingram. If you want to do the conversion correctly, try to get your hands on a 907 swingarm. It will bolt right in and has more clearance for the tire, plus.....the 907 rear end uses a 17mm axle, so you won't have to convert the bearings and spacer on the 17" wheel.
I have everything needed, including the 907 swingarm assembly, to convert my Paso if there is ever a need. I've been collecting the parts for the last two years.
Thanks for the info!
Will post here how the conversion goes.........