http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/Blogs/Richard/An-Easy-Way-To-Ruin-Your-Tires.aspx (http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/Blogs/Richard/An-Easy-Way-To-Ruin-Your-Tires.aspx)
..getting some Armor All...
Interesting. I use the No Mar lubricant...vegetable based.
When we changed tires we used a silicone spray lubricant. I would never let armor all get near a tire.
And just what is wrong with using a tire lubricant that is designed for this purpose? The guy writing that bit sounds like an idiot to me. He tries everything BUT the stuff that is made for the job! A jug of the proper stuff is not that expensive and will last forever.
I just use soapy water , never a problem
Quote from: ute on March 15, 2013, 03:27:20 PM
I just use soapy water , never a problem
+1
but I use regular dish soap, not lye-based detergent like that guy did.
I think the guy was about being frugal despite how cheap tire lube is. I dunno. I didn't know aluminum eating soap..
I do my own tires with tires irons. I use a blend of dish soap and
Quote from: ute on March 15, 2013, 03:27:20 PM
I just use soapy water , never a problem
Same here. I've done several sets and I've not noticed any problem. Must me a VERY minor reaction.
JM
It had to be dishwasher soap the idiot was using, there is a reason you are not supposed to put aluminum pans in the dishwasher!
Some aggressive laundry and dish detergents might contain ingredients like lye in sufficient quantity to pit aluminum, but not all. I'm sure a product like Woolite would be fine. Either way, unless it is an emergency, why not, as SpikeC said, use the correct product? I would not use silicone, maybe better than Armor All, but still slippery and does absorb into the rubber.
Quote from: SpikeC on March 15, 2013, 05:16:31 PM
It had to be dishwasher soap the idiot was using, there is a reason you are not supposed to put aluminum pans in the dishwasher!
That would do it!
Don't use F@#%ing Armor-All to mount tires.
If you get it on the tread, you can't get it off.
Ever.
The tire is ruined.
A friend of my dad's (years ago) completely Armor-Alled the tires on an XS400.
Turned that into the scariest bike I've ridden, ever.
Nothing I found would de-slime those tires.
A local dude that shops at the nearby moto-accessory store Armor-Alls his tires.
He also suffers from frequent unexpected lowsides.
Somehow he can't do the math.
I heard years ago that some types of soap can dry glue hard on the rim and cause problems breaking the bead next time the tire has to come off. I haven't done one myself for years but will be soon, anyone have thoughts on that bit?
http://www.bowessealfast.com/p-234-tire-mounting-lube-premixed-bowes-tc-77921-1-gal.aspx (http://www.bowessealfast.com/p-234-tire-mounting-lube-premixed-bowes-tc-77921-1-gal.aspx)
http://www.bigbadpowersports.com/product/85-7295/Camel-Tire-Mounting-Lubricant-Lube-Swab.html?meta=GAW&metacpg=85-7295&gclid=CLeKi_uBgbYCFdFT4Aod4T8AIA (http://www.bigbadpowersports.com/product/85-7295/Camel-Tire-Mounting-Lubricant-Lube-Swab.html?meta=GAW&metacpg=85-7295&gclid=CLeKi_uBgbYCFdFT4Aod4T8AIA)
This one makes 5 gallons.
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_x_16910011-P_x_x?cm_mmc=ACQ-_-Google-_-enhancedRM-_-16910011&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=16910011&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}&gclid=CMuCqLmCgbYCFQdU4AodqBcAgg#fragment-2 (http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_x_16910011-P_x_x?cm_mmc=ACQ-_-Google-_-enhancedRM-_-16910011&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=16910011&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw=%7Bkeyword%7D&gclid=CMuCqLmCgbYCFQdU4AodqBcAgg#fragment-2)
Why not just use the correct product?
Quote from: Speeddog on March 15, 2013, 06:25:31 PM
Don't use F@#%ing Armor-All to mount tires.
If you get it on the tread, you can't get it off.
Ever.
The tire is ruined.
A friend of my dad's (years ago) completely Armor-Alled the tires on an XS400.
Turned that into the scariest bike I've ridden, ever.
Nothing I found would de-slime those tires.
A local dude that shops at the nearby moto-accessory store Armor-Alls his tires.
He also suffers from frequent unexpected lowsides.
Somehow he can't do the math.
This stuff does a good job of removing silicone based paint treatments... http://www.repaintsupply.com/pd_polycracker.cfm (http://www.repaintsupply.com/pd_polycracker.cfm) ...
That said...I don't know a painter on the face of the planet that wouldn't strangle the inventor of silicone if they had the chance.
Quote from: Speeddog on March 15, 2013, 06:25:31 PM
Don't use F@#%ing Armor-All to mount tires.
If you get it on the tread, you can't get it off.
Ever.
The tire is ruined.
A friend of my dad's (years ago) completely Armor-Alled the tires on an XS400.
Turned that into the scariest bike I've ridden, ever.
Nothing I found would de-slime those tires.
A local dude that shops at the nearby moto-accessory store Armor-Alls his tires.
He also suffers from frequent unexpected lowsides.
Somehow he can't do the math.
[thumbsup]
Funny though the guy suggests armor all from a frugal standpoint. I can get a gallon of *no-name tire lube cheaper than a bottle of fancy armor all (even if it
were a suitable option)
Quote from: ducpainter on March 16, 2013, 06:06:00 AM
~~~SNIP~~~
That said...I don't know a painter on the face of the planet that wouldn't strangle the inventor of silicone if they had the chance.
Line him up next to Mr. Phillips and Mr. Torx.
We can have a Trifecta.
great article. an excellent reminder to never underestimate the tenacity of people too stubborn or stupid to take simple direction and advice, to find a solution, no matter how costly or obtuse, in preference to just doing it the way it's meant to be done.
and then to tell everyone about it like they've reinvented the wheel.
some of the "owner maintained" bikes i see just make me shudder. but there's no point telling them, even tho they've only brought it in because they're at the point where it's defeated them and they need a professional to fix the issue.
Quote from: Dry Martini on March 15, 2013, 01:54:11 PM
When we changed tires we used a silicone spray lubricant. I would never let armor all get near a tire.
Armor All should not be
kept on the same property as a bike.