Is it still necessary to baby your bike during the ``break-in'' period, or for the first 500 miles?
the reason i ask is, when i bought a new Audi over a decade ago, one of the engineers at the company told me modern car engines don't require the ``break-in'' period of your dad's Ford. he said modern materials and precision engineering make it unnecessary, but that people are so used to doing it that it's become something of an old-wives tale, or old-school habit.
having just bought a new stable-mate for my old monster, i'd love to know if i really have to keep calm for 500 miles, or if i can redline and wheelie this over-square italian from the get-go?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIj-z2LCQAA4gCB.jpg:large)
p.s. does anyone know of a passable board for panigales? or should i just stick with the DMF for all of my motorcycle needs? i haven't found anything decent...
let me ask you this in regards to your question....
do you care about using your warranty if you have a problem?
the reason I ask that is because a lot of machinery now has data recording for to be able to tell if you have been " abusing" the equipment for potential of voiding claims due to misuse....
They run the motors hard at the factory before they ship them out. The only important thing is to vary the RPM's for the first 1000 miles or so. Other then that, have at it.
that's what i figured. i am going to run this motor hard, and sincerely vary the RPM's!
thanks -- now about that 1199 board... anyone know of one? that doesn't suck?
dammit [bang] the owner's manual says not to exceed 6,000 RPM in the first 1,000km or 621 miles.
[thumbsdown]
Quote from: showerfan on April 23, 2013, 06:39:28 PM
dammit [bang] the owner's manual says not to exceed 6,000 RPM in the first 1,000km or 621 miles.
[thumbsdown]
They already did.
Another one for ride it like you stole it...just vary the rpms.
If you're really worried about it, have them break it in on the dyno for you (if they have a dyno). Guarantee they have a procedure for it, and will exceed 6,000 rpms in the process.
Yes but the data logger may tattle to the dealer on him. Not sure how sophisticated the ECU is, but a data logger is fairly common these days.
A: I seriously doubt there is a black box in any of these bikes. I haven't found it and have never heard of any warranty issues due to one.
B: They would have to prove that failure to follow the recommended break in was the cause of any damage. Good luck.
Most important to a break in is the varying RPM's
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm (http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm)
Most important part of break in is to vary RPM and load. I would avoid extreme high RPM for a while for two reasons; you really might want to get used to the bike and since Ducati is a small manufacturer they may or may not be able to hold the same close assembly tolerances as larger manufacturers. Even if the computer can log RPM info usually manufacturers are concerned with serious over rev, for example, rev to red line, shift with full throttle to next gear and miss the shift or over rev from downshifting to a lower gear.
Point taken.
Quote from: showerfan on April 23, 2013, 06:39:28 PM
dammit [bang] the owner's manual says not to exceed 6,000 RPM in the first 1,000km or 621 miles.
[thumbsdown]
You just paid ~$20k for that bike, you can't contain yourself for a bit more than 600 miles?
Do you think Ducati puts that break-in schedule in the manual just to crush your fun?
Quote from: Speeddog on April 24, 2013, 12:12:23 AM
You just paid ~$20k for that bike, you can't contain yourself for a bit more than 600 miles?
Do you think Ducati puts that break-in schedule in the manual just to crush your fun?
[thumbsup]
Quote from: Speeddog on April 24, 2013, 12:12:23 AM
You just paid ~$20k for that bike, you can't contain yourself for a bit more than 600 miles?
Do you think Ducati puts that break-in schedule in the manual just to crush your fun?
Bastardi! (http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/uh58302,1259770105,Smiley_ShakeFist.gif)
Quote from: Speeddog on April 24, 2013, 12:12:23 AM
You just paid ~$20k for that bike, you can't contain yourself for a bit more than 600 miles?
Do you think Ducati puts that break-in schedule in the manual just to crush your fun?
I think Ducati put that in the manual because a lawyer told them to.
No matter how you go about it : lots of oil and filter changes!
Quote from: hbliam on April 24, 2013, 01:11:15 AM
I think Ducati put that in the manual because a lawyer told them to.
^^^^
This.
Damn lawyers, ruining fun since like 4eva. ;D
fck it, i already put 200 ~6,000 rpm miles on it yesterday, i'm just going to do the rest this week. then i will see how the rev limiter works in every gear.
btw, i feel like maybe ripping off the EFI unit and putting on some keihin flatslides -- anyone ever done that? the fueling on my '99 m900 feels so much more smooth and natural...
eh, I'd be more worried about fresh tires than a fresh motor.
Quote from: Speeddog on April 24, 2013, 12:12:23 AMDo you think Ducati puts that break-in schedule in the manual just to crush your fun?
I'm with this
â†'more than I'm with this
â†"Quote from: hbliam on April 24, 2013, 01:11:15 AM
I think Ducati put that in the manual because a lawyer told them to.
..which isn't to say that I'm
not with this
â†'
Consider this.
It's a new bike.
You maybe a new rider.
If you are required to ride it slower and more "regular" for a few weeks, it might shave off a large number of people who would otherwise try to race it on day one and crash.
Just a thought.
^^^
Likely a big part, if not all, of it. Same reason tire manufacturers say to "scub in" tires for 100 miles.
Think of how many rashed very recent model CBRs you see riding around or parted on ebay. I feel like every time summer rolls around, it's about a month later that Craigslist is awash in crashed CBRs and gixxers
well, i'm definitely not a new rider, but i sure do ride this bike as if i were! [evil]
actually, the truth is, i've been leaving it in wet mode (limits the hp to 120) while i break it in. the power delivery is much smoother, it's cold out and the tires aren't scrubbed in yet.
and that's what i did when i got my s1000rr last year -- didn't switch it up to sport until my second track day...
On a side note, congrats on the new Panigale! Awesome machine. I am indeed jealous.
Quote from: showerfan on April 24, 2013, 12:25:26 PM
it's cold out
Just ride around for ten minutes and nothing within 10 feet of that bike will be cold. ;D
Quote from: howie on April 23, 2013, 11:20:31 PM
<snip> since Ducati is a small manufacturer they may or may not be able to hold the same close assembly tolerances as larger manufacturers.
As a manufacturer myself I can absolutely guarantee you this is a non issue. Ducati doesn't make all their parts, they just designed most of them.
Its a huge deal to become a supplier to even a small mfgr like Ducati. Pretty much like being a supplier to the automotive industry. Your quality management system has to be spot on to even get a look, not to mention iso certs, spc for everything down to the usage of tp in the shitter.
Well, not really but you get the point.
Id be willing to bet that once a brand new engine was up to temp and fueled correctly it could run at redline for a long time and be fine. Like days.
+1 to vary the rpm and load. Its always worked for me.
I remember an interview with Don Garlits regarding how 60's race teams used to test/break in their 426 Hemis. They used to set up the motor on a dyno, run it to 8500 RPM then go to lunch with it running. When the got back from lunch, if the motor was still running it was considered a good motor. lol
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 24, 2013, 11:24:15 PM
As a manufacturer myself I can absolutely guarantee you this is a non issue. Ducati doesn't make all their parts, they just designed most of them.
Its a huge deal to become a supplier to even a small mfgr like Ducati. Pretty much like being a supplier to the automotive industry. Your quality management system has to be spot on to even get a look, not to mention iso certs, spc for everything down to the usage of tp in the shitter.
Well, not really but you get the point.
Id be willing to bet that once a brand new engine was up to temp and fueled correctly it could run at redline for a long time and be fine. Like days.
+1 to vary the rpm and load. Its always worked for me.
Like flaking rockers?
Quote from: howie on April 25, 2013, 12:16:48 AM
Like flaking rockers?
Design issue, not a manufacturing issue ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 25, 2013, 07:20:30 AM
Design issue, not a manufacturing issue ;)
Actually improper chrome plating, hydrogenated imbrittlement, from what i understand. Most of the failed rockers were out sourced.
Quote from: howie on April 25, 2013, 08:02:06 AM
Actually improper chrome plating, hydrogenated imbrittlement, from what i understand. Most of the failed rockers were out sourced.
All. Made by Empressa.
Quote from: howie on April 25, 2013, 08:02:06 AM
Actually improper chrome plating, hydrogenated imbrittlement, from what i understand. Most of the failed rockers were out sourced.
Empressa just did what ducati's print said to do.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 25, 2013, 08:22:19 AM
Empressa just did what ducati's print said to do.
No way to know. Same situation with the nylon tanks. Ducati asked for gas tanks, Aceebis made tanks that absorbed water and ethanol. Who ever heard of gas with water or ethanol in it?
Quote from: ducatiz on April 25, 2013, 08:29:00 AM
No way to know. Same situation with the nylon tanks. Ducati asked for gas tanks, Aceebis made tanks that absorbed water and ethanol. Who ever heard of gas with water or ethanol in it?
KTM is having issues with this now too.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 25, 2013, 12:13:57 PM
KTM is having issues with this now too.
And so is Aprilia and so was Triumph (until they stopped using them).
Point is, Ducati ordered a gas tank and got a sponge without realizing it. Same thing could have happened with the rockers.
Big companies have problems too. Think of all the Toyota, Chevy Ford etc products that have had MASSIVE recalls in the past decade. Millions of vehicles.
whatevsies -- i rode to boston and back this weekend. varied my RPM's kept it reasonably close to the break-ing recommendation of under 6,000... maybe 7,000. then, after i hit 600 miles, i fcuking RIPPED the sh!t out of that bike all the way back! only to read in the manual that i should not exceed 7k RPM until i've done 2,500 km! :o
well SCREW that. i am working the rev-limiter every chance i get! i swear the thing does 0-100 mph in like 4 seconds. it doesn't even need the 6th gear, as far as i can tell. i don't even feel like hitting 5th until triple digits!
now i just need a streetfighter and my collection will be complete.... wish they would make one with ABS -- that's like my insurance policy [thumbsup]
Quote from: showerfan on April 29, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
whatevsies -- i rode to boston and back this weekend. varied my RPM's kept it reasonably close to the break-ing recommendation of under 6,000... maybe 7,000. then, after i hit 600 miles, i fcuking RIPPED the sh!t out of that bike all the way back! only to read in the manual that i should not exceed 7k RPM until i've done 2,500 km! :o
well SCREW that. i am working the rev-limiter every chance i get! i swear the thing does 0-100 mph in like 4 seconds. it doesn't even need the 6th gear, as far as i can tell. i don't even feel like hitting 5th until triple digits!
so you are breaking it in like this guy probably did...sorta...
Drift with Ducati 1199 Panigale S - Gajs Racing Team (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEwzmwdg420#)
i wish i had those skills!