wait for it [evil]
Dora's BackCam - Peregrine taking a Duck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1XNL9F2Urqs#)
Peregrines are awesome.
Eagle Catches Wolf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2UJe_Nc_4k&feature=player_embedded#)
Eagles are fearless [evil]
http://youtu.be/hV3ajQRniNg (http://youtu.be/hV3ajQRniNg)
http://youtu.be/T4_4d_99ApE (http://youtu.be/T4_4d_99ApE)
I remember long ago seeing a TV program on guy that could shoot ducks on the fly with a bow and arrow.
Quote from: Speeddog on May 03, 2013, 06:49:52 PM
I remember long ago seeing a TV program on guy that could shoot ducks on the fly with a bow and arrow.
With a recurve [evil]
http://youtu.be/K56K5sLzNDs (http://youtu.be/K56K5sLzNDs)
I just can't ever "get" hunting.
Quote from: hbliam on May 03, 2013, 07:16:12 PM
I just can't ever "get" hunting.
I guess it's far easier to just shop the meat isle in the grocery.
Quote from: hbliam on May 03, 2013, 07:16:12 PM
I just can't ever "get" hunting.
Let's see...
"Get" my own food with:
No Hormones
No Steroids
No Antibiotics
No Cage illnesses
Sustainable food source without cruel cages and farm waste
MUCH lower fat than farm raised
Lower cholesterol than boneless skinless chicken
ETC.
Sounds like quite a deal to me, even if you leave out the instinctual desire to go out into the wilderness and "Get" me some food in a beautifull wild environment.
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 03, 2013, 07:40:12 PM
I guess it's far easier to just shop the meat isle in the grocery.
I go to a legit butcher but yeah it is easier. I also live no where near anywhere that you could hunt. And I don't see the point of killing an animal for sport. To feed your family? No problem.
Quote from: LowThudd on May 03, 2013, 08:21:19 PM
Let's see...
"Get" my own food with:
No Hormones
No Steroids
No Antibiotics
No Cage illnesses
Sustainable food source without cruel cages and farm waste
MUCH lower fat than farm raised
Lower cholesterol than boneless skinless chicken
ETC.
Sounds like quite a deal to me, even if you leave out the instinctual desire to go out into the wilderness and "Get" me some food in a beautifull wild environment.
I have no problem with hunting for food. I don't "get" hunting for sport. And 99% of the guys hunting for sport that say they do it for food are full of shit.
As far as how much "cleaner and safer" it is: https://www.avma.org/public/Health/Pages/Disease-Precautions-for-Hunters.aspx (https://www.avma.org/public/Health/Pages/Disease-Precautions-for-Hunters.aspx)
Quote from: hbliam on May 03, 2013, 08:26:25 PM
I have no problem with hunting for food. I don't "get" hunting for sport. And 99% of the guys hunting for sport that say they do it for food are full of shit.
As far as how much "cleaner and safer" it is: https://www.avma.org/public/Health/Pages/Disease-Precautions-for-Hunters.aspx (https://www.avma.org/public/Health/Pages/Disease-Precautions-for-Hunters.aspx)
I'll let you find the info pass on the fifty or so diseases I found in 30 seconds of Google "disease precautions fr hunters"
Most hunters DO eat their kill. That is the point. It is also required in many areas like Alaska that requires you to make use of the meat for people food. Also, there are many organizations who will take fresh game to feed the needy. Seems to me like a win win even for sport hunters who donate the meat.
Quote from: LowThudd on May 03, 2013, 08:33:02 PM
Most hunters DO eat their kill. That is the point.
But they don't "need" the food from the kill. That's my point. Instead they hunt a defenseless animal and kill it for sport. That's sick.
None of us NEED to eat meat. Caged animals live most of their life in a cage to small to turn around in, just waiting for death. That is my idea of sick. As fpr the link you posted, if you read down a little you would see that improperly handled meat and contact with live animals are the source for even the possiblity of most of it. Here is a source for problems with farm raised animals meat EVEN when properly cooked: http://www.naturalnews.com/025716_antibiotic_animals_antibiotics.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/025716_antibiotic_animals_antibiotics.html)
In case you did not know, there are MANY areas of this country that have an overabundance of deer, pigs and other animals, and it becomes necessary for US to cull the heard, much as native americans did for thousands of years. We are the caretakers of this land, and the Fish and Game department will even make recomendations to hunt certain animals when their numbers are too great. Furthermore, deer tend to live between 6-8 years, at which point they die a horrible agonizing death when their teeth wear down to the roots. At this point the generally die from desease or starve to death. That is a lot more cruel than a short while of pain near the apex of the animals effective life.
I am aware of the need to reduce the number of some animals. Native Americans hunted for food. They didn't hunt for sport and didn't have meat already available for purchase. I am also aware of where most meat comes from. I try my best to buy free range, hormone free meat. I don't fault anyone that hunts purely for the need for food.
http://youtu.be/XGNyTrwb1us (http://youtu.be/XGNyTrwb1us)
Quote from: hbliam on May 03, 2013, 09:11:31 PM
I am aware of the need to reduce the number of some animals. Native Americans hunted for food. They didn't hunt for sport and didn't have meat already available for purchase. I am also aware of where most meat comes from. I try my best to buy free range, hormone free meat. I don't fault anyone that hunts purely for the need for food.
Go away dude. Go far away.
Quote from: LowThudd on May 03, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
None of us NEED to eat meat. Caged animals live most of their life in a cage to small to turn around in, just waiting for death. That is my idea of sick. As fpr the link you posted, if you read down a little you would see that improperly handled meat and contact with live animals are the source for even the possiblity of most of it. Here is a source for problems with farm raised animals meat EVEN when properly cooked: http://www.naturalnews.com/025716_antibiotic_animals_antibiotics.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/025716_antibiotic_animals_antibiotics.html)
In case you did not know, there are MANY areas of this country that have an overabundance of deer, pigs and other animals, and it becomes necessary for US to cull the heard, much as native americans did for thousands of years. We are the caretakers of this land, and the Fish and Game department will even make recomendations to hunt certain animals when their numbers are too great. Furthermore, deer tend to live between 6-8 years, at which point they die a horrible agonizing death when their teeth wear down to the roots. At this point the generally die from desease or starve to death. That is a lot more cruel than a short while of pain near the apex of the animals effective life.
Like squirrel? Come on over! Free motorcycle parking and room. You gotta dress and coo... ah, I'll cook em ;D
Quote from: hbliam on May 03, 2013, 07:16:12 PM
I just can't ever "get" hunting.
Isn't it nice that you don't have to?
btw, ib4tl.
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 03, 2013, 09:34:12 PM
Go away dude. Go far away.
Unfortunately for you, not everyone has to have the same opinion as you.
Quote from: rgramjet on May 03, 2013, 10:26:50 PM
Isn't it nice that you don't have to?
Agreed. I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, just expressing it.
Quote from: howie on May 03, 2013, 10:02:39 PM
Like squirrel? Come on over! Free motorcycle parking and room. You gotta dress and coo... ah, I'll cook em ;D
Never ate squirrel. lol But I'd give it a try, just to say I had. I actually think they are fairly cute little buggers. I might feel a *little* bad eating one if I didn't need to. But, one thing there will never be a shortage of is rodents.
I don't hunt, never have and don't currently feel any need to.
However, I understand the actual need for some hunting to occur as we've removed the apex predators from places they need to be.
Also, to see an apex predator in action doing it's thing, like in the video, is an amazing thing.
We occasionally get some meat from local hunters we know as they often have more than they truly need.
Now, if shit hit the fan, food became scarce and it were needed, I'll shoot Bambi or Thumper without batting an eye. I respect their life but as something higher on the food chain, I'd just be merely doing what is needed.
Quote from: LowThudd on May 04, 2013, 03:25:33 AM
Never ate squirrel. lol But I'd give it a try, just to say I had. I actually think they are fairly cute little buggers. I might feel a *little* bad eating one if I didn't need to. But, one thing there will never be a shortage of is rodents.
I've had squirrel in stew and it was pretty good. Its a lot of work for a small amount of meat though.
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 04, 2013, 06:18:16 AM
I've had squirrel in stew and it was pretty good. Its a lot of work for a small amount of meat though.
'tis work Howie would gladly do, everyone ship Howie your squirrels for cleaning. He will be pleased to see the packages arrive! [thumbsup]
During the first 20-25 years of my life I hunted avidly, and the purpose was food and being out in nature, plus doing my part for conservation. I've eaten many different critters (all of them pretty tasty): squirrel, rabbit, duck, pheasant, goose, wild turkey, grouse, quail, raccoon, deer, wild pig, and bear.
Now that I'm older, I rarely hunt at all. I think I've developed a "let them be" kind of mentality. I've pondered getting back into deer hunting out west, but have yet to do so. Still have my full arsenal of guns.
That said, if push came to shove, I know how to field dress almost anything and I will survive. :)
And for the record, I have little respect for sport hunters.
When I kill something and eat it, I feel that it is now a part of me and we go on together. Far better for me to personally take the responsibility of taking its life cleanly and consuming it than hiring my killing done, like thinking that buying meat in the grocery store absolves you from the responsibility of killing something.
Quote from: WarrenJ on May 04, 2013, 08:59:04 AM
When I kill something and eat it, I feel that it is now a part of me and we go on together. Far better for me to personally take the responsibility of taking its life cleanly and consuming it than hiring my killing done, like thinking that buying meat in the grocery store absolves you from the responsibility of killing something.
Well said! I have had this same conversation with people on and off since the early nineties. It got really annoying when someone was filling their face with a big mac, telling me how cruel hunting is, even when for food!
Now, back to the raptors...effing incredible! I have always wanted to get involved in Falconry. A very dignified way to hunt. The raptor mostly wants the internal organs rather than the meat, and we naturally want the meat. One great symbiotic relationship. [clap]
Quote from: WarrenJ on May 04, 2013, 08:59:04 AM
When I kill something and eat it, I feel that it is now a part of me and we go on together. Far better for me to personally take the responsibility of taking its life cleanly and consuming it than hiring my killing done, like thinking that buying meat in the grocery store absolves you from the responsibility of killing something.
+1
I "hunted" for several years before actually pulling the trigger on a deer. I love being out in the woods, there is no better nap time! A packable hammock goes with me everytime.
Well prepared venison is as good as it gets. My family loves it as do the friends I share it with. A few years ago Drkwng and I shared a fresh grilled liver with a bottle of great red wine that he brought over. Good stuff.
What kind of speeds do the falcons reach when diving?
This thread needs to get locked... it's getting stupid. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Granted... no harm no foul. And I am a hunter who eats what I shoot.
Leave this stuff on emails or PMs.
Never thought I would be the one saying this. [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on May 04, 2013, 11:17:27 AM
This thread needs to get locked... it's getting stupid. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Granted... no harm no fowl. And I am a hunter who eats what I shoot.
Leave this stuff on emails or PMs.
Never thought I would be the one saying this. [laugh]
Fixed it for ya!
Great, now I'm obsessed with falcons.
Like I needed another (albeit cool) hobby.
Last year while I was kayaking/fishing behind my place I got to see the classic Osprey vs Bald Eagle deal where the Eagle hassled the Osprey into dropping its fish and the Eagle catching it in mid-air. Bald Eagles are pretty rough customers. I watched three of them chasing down baby ducks in a puddle behind the house a few years ago. Not something you'd air on prime time. Pretty grim.
We probably have at least 10 pairs of ospreys nesting within a couple miles of here. They are fun to watch.
how the hell did this thread turn on hunting for food? :-\
I for one hunt on occasion but around here I see some pretty tough shit watching the hawks and owls tear up the rabbits. Birds of prey are awesome to watch.
The ospreys here keep the power company busy as they constantly try to build their nests on the power poles. Once they get one established, they stick another pole near it with a nest platform on it and move the nest. Then they put orange highway cones on top of the previous nest site to discourage them from rebuilding on the actual power pole. They are persistent.
Quote from: rgramjet on May 04, 2013, 10:12:36 AM
Good stuff.
...What kind of speeds do the falcons reach when diving?
I believe that Peregrine Falcons are the fastest birds and according to legend they dive at up to 175 MPH. However, I read an article a few years ago where National Geographic attached a micro GPS to one, similar to the back camera attached to the bird in Lethe's video. Clocked it at a confirmed 230 MPH! Amazing creatures.
When I was a kid we used to trap sparrow hawks (American Kestrels) and train them and I've had a lifelong interest in falconry although I'm not a falconer. The sport of falconry fortunately is now regulated and is more than a hobby. Due to the high commitment level required to keep and train a raptor, falconry is really a way of life. Not sure what the requirements are to keep a Peregrine but I'm sure you have to really, really pay your dues as a falconer before you're allowed to have a Peregrine.
Falconers were instrumental in the effort to save the Peregrines when they were on the endangered species list and it's very likely that without falconers there might not be anymore Peregrine Falcons.
Bob
Quote from: WarrenJ on May 05, 2013, 06:14:34 AM
The ospreys here keep the power company busy as they constantly try to build their nests on the power poles. Once they get one established, they stick another pole near it with a nest platform on it and move the nest. Then they put orange highway cones on top of the previous nest site to discourage them from rebuilding on the actual power pole. They are persistent.
In VT there is a section of US Rt 2 along the causeway to the Champlain Islands where they've installed platforms on top of the power line towers so Bald Eagles can build nests .
If you look across the wetlands you can see literally hundreds of raptor nests in the trees along the edge of the lake.
It's quite a sight.
I'm planning on coming back in my next life as a red tail hawk. Lock up your cats and puppies. ;D
One of my favorite DC memories was from one of the many interminable meetings in a 14th floor conference room on 17th Street, right across from the National Geographic building.
I'd pretty well tuned out & was watching out the windows as a half dozen pigeons flew lazily across my field of view. All of a sudden, there was a line of motion that intersected the flock from above and instead of one of the pigeons there was just a cloud of feathers hanging in the air.
I'm pretty sure my involuntary "Holy SHIT!" wasn't really considered a constructive contribution to the meeting...
Quote from: hbliam on May 03, 2013, 08:34:01 PM
But they don't "need" the food from the kill. That's my point. Instead they hunt a defenseless animal and kill it for sport. That's sick.
http://vimeo.com/57126054 (http://vimeo.com/57126054)
We are all sick. Unless you are a vegan, no-one has a right to question any killing of animals.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on May 11, 2013, 05:20:58 PM
http://vimeo.com/57126054 (http://vimeo.com/57126054)
We are all sick. Unless you are a vegan, no-one has a right to question any killing of animals.
mitt
touche`
Quote from: ducpainter on May 11, 2013, 05:26:41 PM
touche`
Not a bit of touché in that one. Killing for recreation and killing specifically for consumption are different.
Quote from: hbliam on May 11, 2013, 05:53:59 PM
Not a bit of touché in that one. Killing for recreation and killing specifically for consumption are different.
obviously you haven't been to a slaughter house, that's as sick a scene I've ever seen and I have seen some gory shit. I know of NO ONE who hunts just to kill but rather harvest and enjoy. FYI...we do in fact need the food from the hunt, wherever did you find a planet where we can do without eating? I get your point but I for one would rather know where my meal came from and BTW hunters are a million times more humane than the "usual" sources of harvested meats.
Quote from: hbliam on May 11, 2013, 05:53:59 PM
Not a bit of touché in that one. Killing for recreation and killing specifically for consumption are different.
I was talking about the relative 'sickness'. Killing for sport and the way food is produced in our society are both sick.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 11, 2013, 06:07:02 PM
I was talking about the relative 'sickness'. Killing for sport and the way food is produced in our society are both sick.
I can agree with that.
Quote from: mitt on May 11, 2013, 05:20:58 PM
http://vimeo.com/57126054 (http://vimeo.com/57126054)
We are all sick. Unless you are a vegan, no-one has a right to question any killing of animals.
mitt
I want one of those chicken-mowers. That was cool.
I wonder what a cow sized chicken mower would run? ;D
http://youtu.be/UlfKovoJ2gQ (http://youtu.be/UlfKovoJ2gQ)
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 11, 2013, 07:21:30 PM
http://youtu.be/UlfKovoJ2gQ (http://youtu.be/UlfKovoJ2gQ)
that's bullshit. the damn bird is ripping that rabbit to shreds. what kind of a hunt is that? are they just wanting furballs and rabbit's feet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AI2GIHSH0Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AI2GIHSH0Q)
this was pretty slick, bird has a camera on it.. and lays into another red tailed hawk... "OH SNAP" lol
Quote from: ducatiz on May 11, 2013, 07:24:00 PM
that's bullshit. the damn bird is ripping that rabbit to shreds. what kind of a hunt is that? are they just wanting furballs and rabbit's feet?
It was her first hunt, so they let her enjoy the kill.
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 11, 2013, 07:30:19 PM
It was her first hunt, so they let her enjoy the kill.
awww nice to the birdy
Quote from: ducatiz on May 11, 2013, 07:40:01 PM
awww nice to the birdy
Normally when the bird 'Mantles' over the catch the falconer steppes in and takes the prey from the Hawk and cuts out the heart or liver as a treat. First time out she/he gets to pick it apart. It's all part of the training.