A 41MP camera phone. :o
Jeebus.
The things I take pictures of with my phone?
I don't want to see in that sort of detail. :P
a 41mp camera doesnt make the phone any good
it could be 100mp doesnt meant the camera or the phone are any good
That is what I was thinking. That is an awfully small sensor for that pixel density. And with a tiny lens to boot.
not to mention winblows.
Quote from: suzyj on July 30, 2013, 09:56:20 PM
not to mention winblows.
its gotta be better than symbian crap
was a nokia diehard for years
nokias step into smartphones sucked balls
Quote from: J5 on July 31, 2013, 01:04:29 AM
its gotta be better than symbian crap
was a nokia diehard for years
nokias step into smartphones sucked balls
Same. I had pretty-much every high-end Nokia from the 2110 to the N95. They were once incredibly good. But at some point they decided that all anyone really wanted was interchangeable covers, and that was the end of that.
Quote from: J5 on July 30, 2013, 08:56:42 PM
a 41mp camera doesnt make the phone any good
it could be 100mp doesnt meant the camera or the phone are any good
Yes...
Time to start working on optics...
Regardless, IZ's pics will still be IZ_.
I have seen some amazingly clear photos taken on an older 5MP DSLR that blow away images taken on 12-15MP point-and-shoots. The difference was the glass my friend had on that DSLR. Once you get beyond roughly 1MP, the glass makes all the difference.
True! My Pentax DSLR is truely amazing at 12.5MP. For most things though, I just grab a 12MP Pentax point and shoot. It does have an SMC lens, and that works fine for me. Many cheaper point and shoots don't have lenses made by an actual 'Glass' maker. The better ones have SMC, Zeis and the like and work fine. But no, not as well as a DSLR with a larger image sensor and better glass.
At some point, it doesn't matter what the MP number is, if the sensor isn't large enough and the glass not well made it's pointless.
I hear Nokia is working on an endorsement deal with Anthony Weiner
I'll only take it seriously if it comes with a lens cap. Dirty glass will ruin it all.
So each pic will be ~ 20Mb?
It's much more than just a 41MP sensor though. The sensor itself is among the largest ever fitted to a smartphone. It has a very good Optical Image Stabilization system. But the neatest trick is its "oversampling," where it combines information from multiple pixels into one pixel of the output image, which is 5 MP. Sure it's going to be not as good as an actual DSLR, but it definitely is the best smartphone for photography.
I've had quite a few Nokias in my life too, and while the company has made some truly stupid mistakes, over and over again, I wouldn't doubt their cameras. That's traditionally been a good Nokia attribute.
In my business we call that "compression". ;)
Quote from: duc_fan on August 02, 2013, 09:25:21 AM
In my business we call that "compression". ;)
[thumbsup]
Quote from: Vishwacorp on August 01, 2013, 07:07:28 PM
It's much more than just a 41MP sensor though. The sensor itself is among the largest ever fitted to a smartphone. It has a very good Optical Image Stabilization system. But the neatest trick is its "oversampling," where it combines information from multiple pixels into one pixel of the output image, which is 5 MP. Sure it's going to be not as good as an actual DSLR, but it definitely is the best smartphone for photography.
I've had quite a few Nokias in my life too, and while the company has made some truly stupid mistakes, over and over again, I wouldn't doubt their cameras. That's traditionally been a good Nokia attribute.
and 99% of the time all that tech will be used to take pictures of free trade, organic sprout sandwiches and then posted to instagram using a IZ_ or sepia filter
[bang]
And here is what a REAL 40MP camera looks(and performs) like: http://www.pentaximaging.com/medium-format/645D_Black (http://www.pentaximaging.com/medium-format/645D_Black)
QuoteThe Pentax 645D is equipped with a 44x33mm 40-megapixel CCD sensor. To place the giant’s sensor in perspective, let’s compare it to a standard 36x24mm full frame sensor found in cameras like the Nikon D700 and Canon EOS 5D Mark II. Although the Pentax 645D is not stocked with one of the larger medium format sensors, it’s still a significant leap from full frame.
That is almost bigger than the whole effing phone, man.
^^ I'm still not a fan of digital as a photographic medium... but I can respect that Pentax medium-format camera as an excellent example of technological workmanship.
Quote from: duc_fan on August 02, 2013, 02:16:49 PM
^^ I'm still not a fan of digital as a photographic medium... but I can respect that Pentax medium-format camera as an excellent example of technological workmanship.
Do you keep the film camera next to your 8 track player? ;D
Quote from: Skybarney on August 03, 2013, 10:00:18 AM
Do you keep the film camera next to your 8 track player? ;D
nah its with the vinyl and valve amp ;)
Quote from: J5 on August 03, 2013, 04:16:53 PM
nah its with the vinyl and valve amp ;)
^^ This. In all seriousness. I am a bit of an analog geek. :)
I don't have a medium-format film camera, but I have multiple Minolta 35mm film SLRs and the obligatory assortment of lenses. My pride and joy is a Leitz-Minolta 70-210mm F4 (the one that is actually F4 through the entire zoom range... not the later, and cheapr F4-F5.6 model). I've been looking for a reasonably priced 100mm macro to go with it... my uncle has one. It's an incredibly sharp lens. Anyway...
I'm not a total luddite, though. I have a Canon G10 digital point-and-shoot for quick and dirty photography needs.
Quote from: duc_fan on August 05, 2013, 12:07:43 PM
I'm not a total luddite, though.
Oh I am. I had four medium format cameras at one point:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2658/4290615913_b46e9a20cc_z.jpg)
I'm down to just one now, the Mamiya 645 on the far left, with an 80 f/1.9 and 45 f/2.8 lens and pentoprism. It's a beautiful brute of a camera.
I've also got a Nikon FE2, which shares my flock of manual focus Nikkor lenses (20 f2.8, 50 f1.2, 85 f/1.4, 180 f 2.8, 300 f/4) with my D300.
They still make film? [cheeky]
Quote from: red baron on August 06, 2013, 07:21:03 AM
They still make film? [cheeky]
Yup! You can find it next to the 8 track players at your local thrift store ;D
I have a rather large collection of antique cameras. The majority of them are in working order. And yes, you can find fresh film even for the more obscure cameras like Double run eight movie cameras. The bigger problem is developing. At the end of the day, it just isn't worth the hassle to run film any more. My DSLR takes as nice pictures as ANY film camera I have used, but being able to see the picture instantly is priceless. That and being able to take several hundred pics on one memory card etc.
Film still looks great to me, and has it's own look and feel. But all of that look and feel can be had by post picture taking editing. It just ain't worth it to me to run film anymore. I doubt I'll ever do it again.
Nice thing about that Mamiya is that it can always be a digital with the addition of a digital back. Not cheap, but prices will come down. Let's you use all your favorite glass and maintain the same basic camera you love.
If they make a digital back for the Minolta X700, I'll probably cave and go fully digital. I love my cameras, but yeah, finding a lab that runs enough to keep the developers fresh is getting difficult... even more so for the last few years since I moved out to the sticks. :'(
Suzy: that's a nice collection. The 645 looks like fun. [thumbsup] I keep flirting with the idea of medium format, but I have too many other hobbies at the moment. <shrug>
Quote from: duc_fan on August 06, 2013, 10:39:26 AM
If they make a digital back for the Minolta X700, I'll probably cave and go fully digital. I love my cameras, but yeah, finding a lab that runs enough to keep the developers fresh is getting difficult... even more so for the last few years since I moved out to the sticks. :'(
Suzy: that's a nice collection. The 645 looks like fun. [thumbsup] I keep flirting with the idea of medium format, but I have too many other hobbies at the moment. <shrug>
Doubt that will happen. It appears also that Minolta redesigned their lens system when they went to Autofocus, so no backwards compatibility at all. That is one nice thing about my Pentax, I can still use my 50mm 1.4 on it. Takes INCREDIBLE shots. You can get nice 645s for fairly reasonable prices these days. I have almost bought a Pentax 645 on eBay on occasion. But it would not be worthwhile for me, already having a DSLR that I like.
Sony DSLRs use the later Minolta A mount, but need an adapter to work with early glass and the auto exposure will not work right.