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Moto Board => Racing & Trackdays => Topic started by: zooom on September 19, 2013, 06:50:32 AM

Title: something I agree with...
Post by: zooom on September 19, 2013, 06:50:32 AM
..and I know there are such polarizing opinions of the man...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Sep/120918mq2s.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Sep/120918mq2s.htm)

"The current generation MotoGP has not enough power for me," Stoner said. "I felt this after the test at Motegi. I want more and more power every time I drive these machines. That's why I have so much I struggled with the electronics and the fact that the engineers would try to control the power. I have asked them to turn off the traction control, because I wanted to feel the power in my right hand."

the idea of traction control being the right hand as opposed to the ideas of almost being slushboxes as suggested here -> http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Sep/130917evol.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Sep/130917evol.htm) ....and well, on the other idea of engine capacity and configuration of what he is suggesting....I think that is about as likely to happen as a Seniors GP Racing series ( which would be cool to see 40 and over GP racers duking it out and sparking old rivalrys)....
Title: Re: something I agree with...
Post by: Grampa on September 19, 2013, 12:30:47 PM
mikey stoner...he hates everything.
Title: Re: something I agree with...
Post by: duccarlos on September 20, 2013, 05:13:05 AM
There is no turning back from the electronics. We will eventually see all bikes on the same software, forcing the engineers to go back to innovating frame and engine design instead of making a bike that can practically ride itself. MotoGP should have banned seamless transmissions from the get go.
Title: Re: something I agree with...
Post by: zooom on September 20, 2013, 06:41:01 AM
Quote from: duccarlos on September 20, 2013, 05:13:05 AM
There is no turning back from the electronics. We will eventually see all bikes on the same software, forcing the engineers to go back to innovating frame and engine design instead of making a bike that can practically ride itself. MotoGP should have banned seamless transmissions from the get go.

the problem is this....DORNA/FIM make a rule or a set of rules and the engineers are then paid to find out how to circumvent it in either the most extreme or the most obscure way even if they know they are violating the spirit under which said rule was written...they view it as a challenge in the "how to get around it game"....
Title: Re: something I agree with...
Post by: Raux on September 20, 2013, 08:42:56 AM
i don't think you can't go backwards.

active suspension was allowed in F1 then the next year (the year Senna died) was not
Title: Re: something I agree with...
Post by: duccarlos on September 21, 2013, 06:16:46 AM
Quote from: Raux on September 20, 2013, 08:42:56 AM
i don't think you can't go backwards.

active suspension was allowed in F1 then the next year (the year Senna died) was not

Yeah, but banning electronics? No make the beast with two backsing way. The stock ECU is as far as they'll go. Stoner's article was his own way of saying that he'll be back when hell freezes over. He knows that 90% of the paddock is scared shitless of the power the current bikes make.
Title: Re: something I agree with...
Post by: Triple J on September 21, 2013, 09:15:22 AM
Quote from: duccarlos on September 21, 2013, 06:16:46 AM
He knows that 90% of the paddock is scared shitless of the power the current bikes make.

I seriously doubt this.
Title: Re: something I agree with...
Post by: duccarlos on September 22, 2013, 06:47:42 PM
Quote from: Triple J on September 21, 2013, 09:15:22 AM
I seriously doubt this.

I remember the exact concerns about the extra power expressed by Lorenzo and Pedrosa when they switched to 1000cc. They made no secret that they were very concerned.
Title: Re: something I agree with...
Post by: OT on September 28, 2013, 07:33:18 AM
Casey.....why does anyone in the press even want to listen to this guy?

When the bikes goes so incredibly fast and run so incredibly hot that asbestos riding suits are needed, he'll whine about it itching....
Title: Re: something I agree with...
Post by: Raux on September 28, 2013, 07:40:36 AM
he point is valid though.

imagine if the current 1000cc bikes had zero ride by wire and abs and tc and etc etc

THEN he would have a bike that would do what HE wanted it to do.

then you would see, Marquez, Stoner and maybe Rossi as the top three.
Title: Re: something I agree with...
Post by: Buckethead on September 28, 2013, 08:08:28 AM
Quote from: Raux on September 28, 2013, 07:40:36 AM
THEN he would have a bike that would do what HE wanted it to do.

That being, to land in the gravel?

He did a pretty good job of that even with all the electrickery.