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Title: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: ungeheuer on October 07, 2013, 04:12:25 PM
I wanna buy a GoPro device.

What's good and what's not?  Please wise me up.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: UNC Monster on October 07, 2013, 04:28:16 PM
I've got a GoPro Hero3 Black. I really like it. You just need to make sure you update the firmware to reduce known issues. They just released the GoPro Hero3+ a couple weeks ago that is smaller in size and has improved battery life. I would check out the new release or try to find a deal on the older Hero3 Black. I wouldn't recommend the white (if its even still made) or the silver because they don't support 1080p in 60fps or 720p in 120fps.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: Triple J on October 07, 2013, 04:31:43 PM
I have a Countour camera. Smaller than a Go Pro, and stupid easy to use...which is good for me.  [laugh] I like it when I remember to use it.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: ungeheuer on October 08, 2013, 03:52:31 AM
Thanks fellas  [thumbsup]

Most of the "deals" on the outgoing GoPro Hero3 Black... are not that special locally  :-\

Which is making me look further at the GoPro Hero3+ Black.....   better battery life seems like a bonus worth the additional $$...

Oh... and welcome to the DMF UNC  [thumbsup]
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: ChrisK on October 08, 2013, 06:18:01 AM
Remember to factor in the cost of all the mounts you'll want with it, in addition to a proper memory card. Google 32 GB Class 10 mini SD cards to see your options there. Wouldn't really want to go below that if you plan on shooting in 1080p often.

The other variable can be whether or not your computer you'll be doing your storing/editing on can handle the file sizes of 1080p 60fps files. Mine can't, luckily my work computer can.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: UNC Monster on October 08, 2013, 08:40:13 AM
Thanks for the welcome ungeheuer.

Definitely invest in a good class 10 card (SanDisk Ultra). There are horror stories out there about cheap or knock off memory cards causing recording issues. If you're doing long rides, you may want to invest in a 64gb card to increase recording time. Also, get mutiple batteries because they typically don't last much over an hour of recording (I've got 4 total). Wasabi makes a 2 pack with wall charger that is a really good deal.

Chris brings up a good point with processing/editing the footage. Don't try to edit the files that come off the GoPro. They are so compressed it takes a TON of computing power to handle the files. Use Cineform (free GoPro editing software) to decompress the footage you want to edit. You will have a HUGE file but it's much easier to for your computer to handle. You can recompress the file when you export it.

Hope this makes sense and help.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: He Man on October 08, 2013, 01:59:23 PM
Go pro3 is over rated unless u get the black edition. the silver edition isnt worth the price tag when u get the gopro hero2 for really cheap used.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: ChrisK on October 08, 2013, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: He Man on October 08, 2013, 01:59:23 PM
Go pro3 is over rated unless u get the black edition. the silver edition isnt worth the price tag when u get the gopro hero2 for really cheap used.

Unless you place an extreme value on slightly lighter and slightly smaller. The change would be too small to justify it for me, I agree with He Man.

Should say that I have the 3 Black, so I guess I'm a little unbiased there?
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: chipripper on October 08, 2013, 04:24:00 PM
Also consider that you will need to purchase some large (32gb) memory cards of high quality (Class 10). I have a hero 2 and can fill 32gb's with @ <4hrs of 1080p video. I also bought extra cases for diving, mounts, etc. I love mine.

"Be a Hero!"
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: Skybarney on October 09, 2013, 01:59:32 PM
I just got a Hero 3 Black.  I have not yet had a chance to figure out all the mounts and crap it does.  Anyone here have some recommendations for which mount to buy for placing it on the bike?  It might be neat to place it near the lower triple clamp in the center.

This should be a fun learning curve.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: UNC Monster on October 09, 2013, 04:59:19 PM
Sky, they make several different mounts that could work for you. The handlebar mount, suction cup mount, chest mount, and adhesive mount. The handlebar mount works ok if you mount it at an angle next to the triple clamp. Even then it has a slight clearance issue at full lock. The suction cup mount works pretty well but the area you mount it to need so be completely clean and free of any dirt or debris. The chest mount works great as it simply attaches to a harness you wear and is not affected by turning the handlebars. You can also get an adhesive mount that you can put on your helmet. It's more of a permanent mount but will allow a birds eye view of your ride. GoPro also just came out with a clamp mount that you may be able to mount to the triple clamp itself. I haven't tried it so I can't speak from experience.

Experiment with several different mounts to get an idea of what works best for you.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: bob795 on October 09, 2013, 08:18:55 PM
Quote from: Skybarney on October 09, 2013, 01:59:32 PM
I just got a Hero 3 Black.  I have not yet had a chance to figure out all the mounts and crap it does.  Anyone here have some recommendations for which mount to buy for placing it on the bike?  It might be neat to place it near the lower triple clamp in the center.

This should be a fun learning curve.

Skybarney, the camera comes with a curved and flat adhesive mount. I use the curved one on my helmet, while the flat one is used on my a RAM ball mount (I don' have the RAM gopro camera mount adapter)

I bought a gopro handlebar mount, but I find it's useless ... cause it vibrates too much and as the result the video is dizzying when watched  ;D. I tried different location on the handlebar, but it still vibrates. I do not recommend this handlebar mount.
I mounted the camera on a tank using the curved mount and the pivot arms, but it also vibrates.

I recommend chest mount though. Its position makes it not sensitive to vibration, the body absorb the vibration. I say it's vibration free when mounted on the chest mount. When mounted on the helmet, it's also vibration free.

The other mount I recommend, I highly recommend it, is RAM mount. I have the one with u-bolt base, that I place on the right hand side frame, under the tank. It gives a nice low angle view of the bike. This mount can also be used as a handlebar mount and even though it vibrates, the vibration is less than the handlebar mount.



Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: Barney on October 10, 2013, 04:48:22 AM
i've used the suction cup mount on the tank with descent still and video results - have the gopro 2 motorsports package as well as the 3 black - if you are trying to decide between the 3 and the 3+ for your first camera, i'd say go for the plus as i'm all about more battery life - but I dont plan on upgrading...

i have the handlebar mount as well, but i've only used it on the dirtbike and the mountain bike, as well as on poles - based on all the vibrations ive gotten in every mirror ive ever owned, i certainly believe that could be a problem. 

the chest mount is probably my favorite for pov shots.  you get a really stable shot and it's doesn't change every time you move the bars or your head.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: ab on October 10, 2013, 06:38:56 PM
I had the original gopro which was horrible.

Bought Hero2 when it came out and love it.  Need to use the skeleton case and find a cheap external mic to get better sound.

I thought the defogger thingy was expensive. Anyone try it?  Camera does fog up and affect the pic.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: Skybarney on October 10, 2013, 07:28:10 PM
I think I am gonna try the chest mount.  Seems like some solid advice.  Gonna feel a bit like robo man though.  Especially with the Scala G9 on the helmet as well.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: Barney on October 10, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
you'll forget it's there.  what's nice with the new one is you can line up the shot with an app on your phone. ive wasted tons of battery shooting up at the sky or my gastank...
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: ungeheuer on October 13, 2013, 04:19:50 AM
Thanks everybody for your help and advice  [thumbsup]

I bought a Gopro Hero3+ Black.

Mounted on the rhs handguard thusly...
Quote from: bob795 on October 09, 2013, 08:18:55 PM
The other mount I recommend, I highly recommend it, is RAM mount.

I discovered two things: 
The 30% better battery life than the previous iteration...   is still 50% of what I was hoping - need to buy more batteries.
The 32gb memory card I bought shoulda been 64gb - need to buy more, bigger memory cards.

Currently using this advice for editing....
Quote from: UNC Monster on October 08, 2013, 08:40:13 AM...Don't try to edit the files that come off the GoPro. They are so compressed it takes a TON of computing power to handle the files. Use Cineform (free GoPro editing software) to decompress the footage you want to edit. You will have a HUGE file but it's much easier to for your computer to handle. You can recompress the file when you export it.
[thumbsup]
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: UNC Monster on October 13, 2013, 05:26:45 AM
Yeah, battery life isn't great but you can get 2 batteries and a wall charger for 20 bucks from Amazon. Go here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005NC8BF6 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005NC8BF6)

The other nice thing about Cineform is that you can slow your video down really easily and make smooth conversions from regular speed to slow-mo to back to regular speed with just a couple clicks of the mouse.

Good luck with it. If you have any in depth questions, shoot me a PM.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: HotIce on October 13, 2013, 12:57:09 PM
I read some scary horror stories about the Hero3.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: bob795 on October 13, 2013, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: ungeheuer on October 13, 2013, 04:19:50 AM
(snip)
The 30% better battery life than the previous iteration...   is still 50% of what I was hoping - need to buy more batteries. (snip)

Can't wait to see videos of your ride... especially on the DR650

You can not have too many batteries  ;D
Get Wasabi charger kit. They are sold in kit, one charger and two baterries.
When I bought mine the shop here only have the charger, kit wasn't available... so I had to buy an extra OEM battery separately. The charger is worth it, it makes charging that much easier. I'm going to add powerlet cables on my bikes so that I can charge the battery on the go if I have to.
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: bob795 on October 13, 2013, 08:11:22 PM
Quote from: HotIce on October 13, 2013, 12:57:09 PM
I read some scary horror stories about the Hero3.


Yes I read those stories too but I never experienced the problem myself.

I only I experienced one problem, the camera freezes when I turn it on and I have to remove the battery etc etc. But it's operator's error, my own fault.

You see, to turn off the camera, the on/off button has to be pressed for 2 seconds then the camera will turn off, that's what the manual says. I thought the same rule apply to turning on the camera. So when turning it on, I press the button for several seconds... and the camera always freezes. Happened all the time during the first two days of owning the camera. Frankly I thought I had a lemon. Once I realized my mistake and just press the button to turn it on, I never have the problem again. ;D
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: BastrdHK on October 17, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
The Hero 3/3+ image quality and low light capability are really outstanding.  Frankly, no other camera in its class can match their performance!

If you are on a budget, the Hero 2 is a great used buy, with slightly less performance (you will still be blown away, if you have never used these cameras)

The wifi/preview range on the 3 was vastly overstated by GoPro, but they have claimed to add range on the 3+ (haven't used one yet to verify in real world conditions).

It is interesting reading some of the comments, as these cameras are pushing, and for many, exceeded the capability of most peoples computers.  I am a pro video producer and the hero 3's 720p 120fps footage does not play nice with my editing suite.

As stated, Cineform is a good tool designed by/for GoPro. 

You will absolutely love these cameras....I use and abuse them (multiple crashes at 100+mph on Flat Track bikes).  Pick them up, put back together what fell off, and they keep going!

There is also a vast support network, much like the DMF:  http://goprouser.freeforums.org/ (http://goprouser.freeforums.org/)

Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: Barney on October 20, 2013, 08:28:23 AM
it's true. they really do produce professional quality video, and when you consider the price you pay for that, it's ridiculous. obviously, it's not on par with a RED or what have you, but considering the cost differential...
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: joshuajcrouch on November 02, 2013, 02:08:39 PM
I just bought a side mount for my GoPro and thought this might be a good place to share:

Quick test of GoPro side mount on Ducati (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ3RlWXMc4Y&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: GoPro, what's the go?
Post by: SteveO. on November 05, 2013, 03:20:58 PM
I picked up the roll bar mount and stick my Hero3 on my frame slider.  Works well and gets a view of the front tire/suspension and picks up a perfect amount of engine noise.  The camera is pretty sweet but I really haven't found a use for it, or had a desire to watch myself ride.  I figure once I'm healed from my last crash/surgery I'll get some use out of it on the dirt bike.