Woah.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/banter/brazil-bikejacking-video/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/banter/brazil-bikejacking-video/)
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Who does steal a motorcycle wearing sandals? ???
make the beast with two backs me, I didn't see that coming!! I didn't read the article I went straight to the video and just about shit myself!!
Mark
How many times have we said " If they try and steal my bike I'd blast em"... [laugh] Well, there's one that didn't get away.
I don't wish the thief too much ill will but I do wish him a bit of pain so maybe that will teach him a lesson.
Quote from: DucRS on October 17, 2013, 09:10:32 AM
How many times have we said " If they try and steal my bike I'd blast em"... [laugh] Well, there's one that didn't get away.
I don't wish the thief too much ill will but I do wish him a bit of pain so maybe that will teach him a lesson.
other news outlets reported that he died, actually.
Looked like that cop aimed dead center mass, and by the way he dropped I'm not surprised he's dead. That was a helluva risky shot with all those pedestrians around.
Nice shot!
Hate to sound like a d!ck but you use a hand gun or any firearm in a robbery you have to think that it's always a strong possibility you will get shot yuorself.
Karma can be a real pregnant dog
No loss to the world at large........... That being said one has to be nuts to deal with Brazilian cops at all. I remember a bank robbery video where the cops executed the guy that did it. Cold blooded execution behind a van.
Personally I think if you are caught using a gun in a crime the penalty should be death, by gun. I have no love in my heart for violent criminals and would just assume shoot each one. That's just me though.
Years ago in Long Beach I had some scumbags try to take my bike at a light. They had no gun because when I told them they could have it if they could take it I placed my hand behind my back like I was about to pull a pistol. They all ran. I still thank my lucky stars they did not have a gun or I would have been shot. Not the brightest move.........
a wise man once told me , "you never wield a weapon unless you intend to use it. using it as a threat isn't use, and it most likely will be turned against you if you use them in that way"
Heard two shots - one in each nut so the bullets would get caught in the seat padding and not damage the paint....(yes, I am warped). ;D
Was that a VR46 hat the perp was wearing backwards?
How do you pull away on a bike with a gun in one hand, anyway?
Quote from: zooom on October 17, 2013, 01:01:42 PM
a wise man once told me , "you never wield a weapon unless you intend to use it. using it as a threat isn't use, and it most likely will be turned against you if you use them in that way"
+11tyB
Nevermind the legal implications if you use it with the intent to threaten but not as deadly force.
That's scary. I mean the rider didn't have time to do anything even if he wanted. Scary scary stuff.
He probably wouldn't have been shot, but he raised his gun at the cop. Not the brightest move. If he was desperate he should have simply fled. There would have been an excellent chance that the cop wouldn't have fired a shot.
they didn't seem to be in a hurry to get him in the meat wagon.
I have to say that I like the way they treat criminals down there. The guy was stealing somebody's moto, and an off-duty cop jumps out and just shoots. Doesn't give the criminal a chance, he just shoots. Then, nobody wastes any time on the shot criminal. They don't tend to him, they don't give a shit. I think the video even shows the victim motorcyclist telling off the criminal as he lays on the ground in pain. That... is awesome.
But I also have to say that I'm glad I don't live in Brazil.
Quote from: Grappa on October 17, 2013, 09:13:35 PM
I have to say that I like the way they treat criminals down there. The guy was stealing somebody's moto, and an off-duty cop jumps out and just shoots. Doesn't give the criminal a chance, he just shoots. Then, nobody wastes any time on the shot criminal. They don't tend to him, they don't give a shit. I think the video even shows the victim motorcyclist telling off the criminal as he lays on the ground in pain. That... is awesome.
But I also have to say that I'm glad I don't live in Brazil.
"criminals" in general? Hopefully you mean violent @$$holes who put other people's lives in jeopardy.
Quote from: mitt on October 17, 2013, 06:17:55 PM
they didn't seem to be in a hurry to get him in the meat wagon.
Why bother spending taxpayer money for fixing up what will end up killed (after likely killing someone else) before the age of 21?
Quote from: HotIce on October 18, 2013, 06:44:09 AM
Why bother spending taxpayer money for fixing up what will end up killed (after likely killing someone else) before the age of 21?
The kid def dug his own grave, but the violent death of a kid is nothing to make blithe comments about.
I thought you said he was a violent a$$hole putting others lives in jeopardy?
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Quote from: hbliam on October 18, 2013, 08:18:37 AM
I thought you said he was a violent a$$hole putting others lives in jeopardy?
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
I did say that and I also agreed he dug his own grave. Doesn't mean I'm all stoked about him dying or take issues like that lightly. What part of that isn't clear to you?
The death of another human being should always be mourned. Even if they were a total douche that knowingly made the choices which got them killed (like bikejacking then pointing a firearm at a police officer), it is still regrettable that they chose that path.
Yes, this guy got what was coming to him.
No, his death should not be celebrated.
I've been bikejacked at gunpoint
that guy is WAY calmer than i was after
Quote from: duc_fan on October 18, 2013, 12:09:59 PM
The death of another human being should always be mourned.
I don't agree. Some humans have made decisions that prevent me from mourning their deaths. Child rapists, murderous gang members, saddam, bin laden, hitler, dahmer, Richard Ramirez, etc,etc,etc.
Quote from: JEFF_H on October 18, 2013, 12:35:58 PM
I've been bikejacked at gunpoint
that guy is WAY calmer than i was after
SoCal?
Scary! Can't imagine ever being that situation when a gun is pointed at you.
We can split the celebrations then.
I will leave you guys celebrate the deaths of innocent people these scum bags take, and I will celebrate their instead.
Yes, I will celebrate their deaths, because, although tragic from a human POV, it will likely spare lives of innocent people.
IOW, there is no age to be a criminal.
I didn't say some shouldn't be taken for the greater good. The aforementioned list of evildoers... yes, the world is a better place without them.
But the fact they were people who went down a very dark path is just sad. It's sad that some make such heinous life choices that society must put them down for the good of humanity as a whole.
So, I will join in celebrating victories over evil (I celebrated the news of Bin Laden getting the business end of the SEALs). Just saying the human cost is still lamentable. Killing is sometimes acceptable and necessary, but it's never the most desirable outcome. The most desirable outcome is the offending party repenting of their actions and becoming a productive member of society.
Call me an idealistic realist. There are ideals we should strive for... but I am a realist who recognizes we will never actually get there, and some less-than-desirable actions must be taken for the good of humanity as a whole.
Get caught using a gun doing violence to strangers and get shot. It is the way it is SUPPOSED to be. I do not relish dead people. I do however think some people need to stop wasting my air on the planet as they are simply scum.
In the case of that bike jack I would shoot the guy myself and go have a hamburger afterwards, rare hamburger.....
As they say in Texas some folks just need a killing.....
An armed bandit got shot. Dead apparently.
I imagine the risk of getting shot dead is an occupational hazard.... when you're an armed bandit.
Pity anybody dies a violent death, but when you the armed bandit threaten the life of some innocent by poking your gun in their face in order to take what is not yours.....
And the hazardous nature of your chosen occupation results in your slaying, I simply shrug my shoulders and say "stiff shit".
Hrrm. Interesting reactions. I would agree that it's "good" he died just because pragmatism says if he wasn't, someones mother, father, brother, etc might not be.
People and their hopeless attachment to ego fascinate me. What they don't realize is, had they been born at the right time, with the stars and planets aligned just so, while breathing the right air, getting fed a specific way with specific food by specific people...well then little baby Ungehower would have grown up to be that bikejacker...or little baby Hbliam would be a 12:00 Boy today. :) we are nothing more than animals... out of control, destructive, egomaniac primates..but animals no less. Like a dog that grew up vicious and feril instead of sweet and cuddly because of how he/she grew up....just products of our environment. But the Dow executive, directly responsible for more ecocide and murder than the sum of 100 super max prisons full of arsonists scoffs at the homeless "welfare queen" for being a unproductive "drain on society". Irony. We are nothing special...regardless of what your mommy and daddy or the teevee and newzpapers taught ya.
Sorry to get all philosophical n' $hit...I just get a kick out of ya'all. :)
I've never been to Brazil...but I will someday. I hear it's another world over there. I wonder if I'd have built my own Ducati and be shopping for another Italian bike if I'd grown up stepping over sewer rats the size of poodles in Complexo do Alemao instead of Hudson, OH, USA. Hrrrmm.
Everyone is a product of their environment. However, I also believe that at some point in ones life doing the "wrong thing" becomes a conscious choice. I am biased though as I started life out a very angry welfare kid, a product of my environment. I did not become a "good person" until I was in my mid 20's. and it took a lot of work! To move beyond ones environmental conditioning is a lot tougher than accepting it as your reality.
That is a tough world down there and many feel they have no choice but to take what they need as there are few other options open to them. Some choose to sell popcorn on the side of the road as opposed to stealing though. Stealing at gunpoint demonstrates a willingness to kill a person and when that line is crossed all bets are off.
Sad the world has to roll that way, a waste of life is never a good thing.
Seeing that this topic actually has nothing to do with motos...
off to NMC it goes.
The different views illustrate the difficult tension/balance between compassion and justice. Alot of valid points for sure.
Makes me think of:
Do not steal
Do not murder
Live by the sword, die by the sword (gun)
Shit happens
Quote from: Buck Naked on October 24, 2013, 06:15:37 PM
People and their hopeless attachment to ego fascinate me. What they don't realize is, had they been born at the right time, with the stars and planets aligned just so, while breathing the right air, getting fed a specific way with specific food by specific people...well then little baby Ungehower would have grown up to be that bikejacker...or little baby Hbliam would be a 12:00 Boy today. :) we are nothing more than animals... out of control, destructive, egomaniac primates..but animals no less. Like a dog that grew up vicious and feril instead of sweet and cuddly because of how he/she grew up....just products of our environment. But the Dow executive, directly responsible for more ecocide and murder than the sum of 100 super max prisons full of arsonists scoffs at the homeless "welfare queen" for being a unproductive "drain on society". Irony. We are nothing special...regardless of what your mommy and daddy or the teevee and newzpapers taught ya.
Sorry to get all philosophical n' $hit...I just get a kick out of ya'all. :)
I dunno about philosophical. But I do agree you talk some $hit [laugh] [thumbsup].
Ego??
So Ungehower only knows what's right and what's wrong because in his own mind he's a superior being to our armed bandit?? [bang] [laugh]
Nothing to do with ego and everything to do with a sense of responsibility to a civilised community.
The armed bandit is the victim of his environment? Maybe.
Any one of us woulda turned out bad in the same circumstances? Total bollocks mate.
Some (like the armed bandit in our video here) do turn out bad. Some always will. And some of those will find something else to blame rather than take responsibility for their own anti-social behaviour.
Most however - even in the face of dire personal circumstances - do not turn out bad. It must be their egos to blame [bang] [laugh].
Right and wrong are your words Ungehower...that concept leaves out entirely too much gray area for my taste. Necessary that the kid die...yes, because he was a threat. Whether it's tragic or "stiff shit" depends on too many factors I'll never know. And that dipshit kid is just symptomatic of a much greater problem I'm not allowed to talk about on this forum. As to whether or not you're "superior"...maybe, maybe not....I don't know you or that shithead kid. You're both inferior to fruit bats by default just for being human.
Quote from: Buck Naked on October 24, 2013, 08:20:22 PMAs to whether or not you're "superior"...maybe, maybe not....
I think you missed the egotistical point [roll].
Quote from: Buck Naked on October 24, 2013, 08:20:22 PMNecessary that the kid die...yes, because he was a threat.
Necessary that the armed bandit die? Necessary?? The armed bandit's death (if that's what it really was) was entirely optional.
Quote from: Buck Naked on October 24, 2013, 08:20:22 PMWhether it's tragic or "stiff shit" depends on too many factors I'll never know.
Allow me to differentiate:
If our armed bandit had unloaded his weapon into the face of an innocent victim whom he was attempting to rob.... that would be tragic.
If an armed bandit is gunned down during the course of his attempted robbery of an innocent individual... that's "stiff shit" [thumbsup].
It's really not complicated.
Quote from: Buck Naked on October 24, 2013, 08:20:22 PMI don't know you or that shithead kid. You're both inferior to fruit bats by default just for being human.
That's right. You don't know Ungehower.
Nuthin' left to say...