The time toove out of NY is getting close.. some time after June we can leave and want to...
I've posted about this before.. Austin Texas area was top on the list... now new Hampshire is pretty much tops also..
I know they are pretty much opposite places with a few similarities..
We are looking for a free'er state.. love NHs moto live free or die.. we want enough land to make a small farm for ourselves. And good place to raise kids.
At first we limited ourselves to warmer climates (the wife).. doing more research has changed that..
I forget who here was from up there...
what say you wise DMFers?
Your riding season would be unbearably short further North (at least to me).
But if you can deal with that...enjoy.
I'd go South.
If you are into music, Austin has a pretty amazing music scene. Cost of living seems Texas would be the clear winner. And I don't really do snow.
I went to school in Austin back in the 90s, and though the town has changed / grown a lot since then, every time I go back I feel at home still. It's a great city. Austin proper isn't cheap anymore, but the surrounding burbs aren't too expensive.
No first hand experience in NH.
But I'm from Texas.
Austin is near home and it is a great town. The Texas hill country has plenty to offer to the outdoor enthusiast as do the roads to the motor heads.
Land is cheap (relative to other parts of the nation) and so is housing.
Public education is lacking so do your research on school districts if you shop for housing in Texas.
Move to Round Rock (north of Austin) for lower taxes but as stated there's plenty of roads for some fun and there's no "winter'izing" shenanigans down here
I have experience in NH...
If you don't like shitty weather don't come here.
want 'country' don't like 'city' people don't plan on living south of Concord.
Land is getting more expensive from our point of view, but compared to NY or Cali standards it's cheap.
The way of life here is very relaxed. We don't have much in the way of amenities. If you like being able to go out to eat after 9 and want something besides McDonald's or BK...
don't come here. ;D
If you want to be able to see the stars...and have deer, turkeys, bear, and any number of other critters walk through your yard come on up.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 06, 2013, 04:43:03 PM
I have experience in NH...
If you don't like shitty weather don't come here.
want 'country' don't like 'city' people don't plan on living south of Concord.
Land is getting more expensive from our point of view, but compared to NY or Cali standards it's cheap.
The way of life here is very relaxed. We don't have much in the way of amenities. If you like being able to go out to eat after 9 and want something besides McDonald's or BK...
don't come here. ;D
If you want to be able to see the stars...and have deer, turkeys, bear, and any number of other critters walk through your yard come on up.
This explains a lot about you.
;D
Quote from: ducpainter on November 06, 2013, 04:43:03 PM
I have experience in NH...
If you don't like shitty weather don't come here.
want 'country' don't like 'city' people don't plan on living south of Concord.
Land is getting more expensive from our point of view, but compared to NY or Cali standards it's cheap.
The way of life here is very relaxed. We don't have much in the way of amenities. If you like being able to go out to eat after 9 and want something besides McDonald's or BK...
don't come here. ;D
If you want to be able to see the stars...and have deer, turkeys, bear, and any number of other critters walk through your yard come on up.
One thing I love about dimby- getting up at 3am, stumbling out of my tent to take a leak, looking up and seeing the milky way.
Its amazing.
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 06, 2013, 06:27:47 PM
One thing I love about dimby- getting up at 3am, stumbling out of my tent to take a leak, looking up and seeing the milky way.
Its amazing.
Explains your aim.
Oh I know all the good points of TX, Austin too... and its still #1 on the list, mainly cause of weather... and its tempting with living in NY our entire life's.. would be nice not to deal with snow for a while...
NH actually seems more laud back and more freedoms though.. do they bother you much about building stuff on your land? Do you obtain water rights with land easily?
I live in rural Wisconsin, but I just spent a week at my friends 32,000 acre ranch in Wyoming. Its a 7 mile drive to get a cellphone signal at the mailbox and another 7 to the pavement and another 40 to a town of 1200. Its 100 miles to a McDonalds. I am very happy there. The stars are great at my place, no structures to my Northeast for 8 miles but out there is amazing.
Love it.. hope I never see another McDs again lol...
yea we are looking at other places too.. knowing the wife now wouldn't mind some seasons opens up the option s more..
Of course main issue is work.. I Cld do a lot of different jobs and I've learned most jobs in a week and would be more efficient then senior guys within a month or 2..
Been doing cable tech some networking for almost 10 years**.. and security systems for a month..
Wife does medical billing and use to be a medical assistant..
Good thing all places we're looking have lower cost of living, lower taxes and we'll be able to grow some food...
Kentucky
Quote from: cokey on November 06, 2013, 08:28:46 PM
Oh I know all the good points of TX, Austin too... and its still #1 on the list, mainly cause of weather... and its tempting with living in NY our entire life's.. would be nice not to deal with snow for a while...
NH actually seems more laud back and more freedoms though.. do they bother you much about building stuff on your land? Do you obtain water rights with land easily?
It's more structured than it used to be, especially in the southern part but if you build a shed where I am all that will happen is they collect taxes. To build my house all I needed was one $150 permit and they renew it for free. If you buy a piece with no house on it you would have to get a driveway permit from either the town or state.
In NH all flowing water and most ponds are owned by the state. There are many farm ponds that are privately owned, but the state keeps close watch due to some dam failures in the past few years. If a brook borders your land you own to the seasonal low water mark.
If you drill or dig into the ground and find water it's yours. If rain falls on your land it's yours. It's very different from western states.
Thanks dp..
Got a few ideas for water storage and some good ideas from another forum.. do you grow anything? If I remember, your about 5 hrs from me putting you not right next to the border.. do you grow anything or no?
Quote from: cokey on November 07, 2013, 05:11:33 AM
Thanks dp..
Got a few ideas for water storage and some good ideas from another forum.. do you grow anything? If I remember, your about 5 hrs from me putting you not right next to the border.. do you grow anything or no?
I'm not near any border...
I'm almost at the exact center of the state...it's less than a mile from here.
I had a certified organic farm in the past and usually have a home garden now. I didn't grow anything here the past couple of years due to the house build, but I worked a piece up the road that I helped a friend with. It did OK.
We're raising a few ducks for eggs. I wish they'd start laying.
I know a few people in your situation, so have had this discussion a few times. TX and NH are always on the list, but other considerations have been OR, CO, ID, and NC, for various reasons.
Quote from: cokey on November 06, 2013, 12:23:12 PM
We are looking for a free'er state..
Site below has a nice map where you click a "freedom" (eg economic, tax, property rights, marriage, etc) and states change color based on rank.
http://freedominthe50states.org/ (http://freedominthe50states.org/)
Quote from: ducpainter on November 07, 2013, 03:47:10 AM
If rain falls on your land it's yours. It's very different from western states.
Yeah, they come and confiscate the rain right out of my grass here. Sons of b1tches!
Quote from: hbliam on November 07, 2013, 09:38:39 AM
Yeah, they come and confiscate the rain right out of my grass here. Sons of b1tches!
I wasn't necessarily referring to Cali. There are some states where you can't collect rain that falls on your roof. You have to allow it to enter the groundwater and end up in a river that someone owns the rights to.
Yeah, I was just making fun of what looks like a truly ludicrous idea.
Quote from: 1.21GW on November 07, 2013, 07:34:05 AM
I know a few people in your situation, so have had this discussion a few times. TX and NH are always on the list, but other considerations have been OR, CO, ID, and NC, for various reasons.
Site below has a nice map where you click a "freedom" (eg economic, tax, property rights, marriage, etc) and states change color based on rank.
http://freedominthe50states.org/ (http://freedominthe50states.org/)
hmmmm
Quote from: hbliam on November 07, 2013, 11:06:18 AM
Yeah, I was just making fun of what looks like a truly ludicrous idea.
It's truly ludicrous to those that have to buy water for their livestock when a river runs through their property.
It's also truly amazing that this thread has stayed on the ride side of getting political thus far. If we make it to page three, I'm buying everyone a round! [beer]
Quote from: hbliam on November 07, 2013, 11:06:36 AM
hmmmm
Yeah, me too. I spent 30 straight minutes at work playing with that site and thinking about my life choices past and future. Cokey might not be the only transient in 8 months. Hmmm, does Austin have good sushi?...winter in Idaho can't be
that bad, right?...
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2013/11/where-catastrophic-droughts-and-floods-are-bound-happen-america/7439/ (http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2013/11/where-catastrophic-droughts-and-floods-are-bound-happen-america/7439/)
Austin might not be so hot, I mean cool.
I moved out of NY in 2000 and moved to NH. NH has seen a lot of changes since, especially in the past six years. Most of the changes aren't for the better and the changes are politically driven. And that's where my pissing and moaning will end. But if you look at your options, NH is still a good place to raise a family.
cokey, I'll try to pm you.
Quote from: 1.21GW on November 07, 2013, 12:51:59 PM
It's also truly amazing that this thread has stayed on the ride side of getting political thus far. If we make it to page three, I'm buying everyone a round! [beer]
Yeah, me too. I spent 30 straight minutes at work playing with that site and thinking about my life choices past and future. Cokey might not be the only transient in 8 months. Hmmm, does Austin have good sushi?...winter in Idaho can't be that bad, right?...
My hmmm didn't mean I went to the website. It meant "how funny is it that some political threads are allowed and some arent."
Quote from: hbliam on November 07, 2013, 01:13:11 PM
My hmmm didn't mean I went to the website. It meant "how funny is it that some political threads are allowed and some arent."
Posting a link doesn't make the thread political.
The discussion of the material on the site might.
The statement that Obama is the president is simply a fact. Discussing his policies or your opinion of them is what isn't allowed...
and you know that.
Stirring today?
My thread has nothing to with politics.. don't turn it into one.. just looking for a betteroplace then NY.. too expensive, crowded and noisy.. I'm passed being around everything. Sucks that making 80 k you still live pay check to pay check if you want to eat healthy and not live in the ghetto anymore..
Quote from: cokey on November 07, 2013, 01:33:48 PMjust looking for a betteroplace then NY.. too expensive, crowded and noisy.. I'm passed being around everything. Sucks that making 80 k you still live pay check to pay check if you want to eat healthy and not live in the ghetto anymore..
That's exactly what I said 15 years ago. And I never looked back. ;D
Quote from: cokey on November 07, 2013, 01:33:48 PM
My thread has nothing to with politics.. don't turn it into one.. just looking for a betteroplace then NY.. too expensive, crowded and noisy.. I'm passed being around everything. Sucks that making 80 k you still live pay check to pay check if you want to eat healthy and not live in the ghetto anymore..
you can always do something so sane as my commute [laugh]
32oz drinks are legal here in TX too. [evil]
Quote from: cokey on November 07, 2013, 01:33:48 PM
My thread has nothing to with politics.. don't turn it into one.. just looking for a betteroplace then NY.. too expensive, crowded and noisy.. I'm passed being around everything. Sucks that making 80 k you still live pay check to pay check if you want to eat healthy and not live in the ghetto anymore..
I know it doesn't.
You won't ever see 80K in NH as a working guy.
Not too many ghettos though. ;)
Don't underestimate good weather. I lived in CA for 10 years after growing up in NJ and though CA has high taxes, expensive property, traffic, etc, I never got tired of 70 degrees, dry, and sunny every day. Never. Never. Weather made me happy. Now that I'm back east in NY, I miss that more than anything.
Another thing to consider that isn't easy to quantify is the people and local culture. I've been to HI a bunch on vacation and always appreciate how friendly and warm the locals are. I could put up with a lot of things---lower pay, smaller house, etc.---if the people around whom I lived were good, stress-free, honest people.
Have you considered international living?
Quote from: 1.21GW on November 07, 2013, 03:44:21 PM
Have you considered international living?
I wouldn't recommend it. I slept three night sin a Scout and it got horrible cold and the interior space was way too small.
We've talked about leaving the States... so many places are having work issues though. Talked about Spain, Switzerland, hawaii.. even a small country next to Spain looks tempting.. that's a hard move though...
International is tough. C would love to live in France again, but it's difficult for work visas and stuff. She wasn't allowed to have a job as a student over there. We've also looked into moving to the Caribbean, but again, USVI are very expensive and it's near impossible to get a work visa anywhere else.
JM
I hate this city, but I love it too. I'm with you cokey, but once time expires here, I'm moving to Colorado.
Hey, page 3.. ahem...
We were looming at Costa rica this week.. would be hard to get work like stated.. if we would leave the us, I would try for dual citizenship or just apply where we land.. have to research it more..
I could probably wait till the 10 year mark at time warner and collect a % of my pension...
Who here lived in Panama again? How is it there, easy to move to?
After the little cold spell we just had, wife's reconsidering a move to cold climates lol...
Hawaii has TWC, and I could probably land a job there.. I know traffic there is insane, coast of living about the same as NY but less taxes leave you with more $$
Carlos lives in Panama.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4557 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4557)
Quote from: cokey on November 16, 2013, 06:23:51 AM
Hey, page 3.. ahem...
We were looming at Costa rica this week.. would be hard to get work like stated.. if we would leave the us, I would try for dual citizenship or just apply where we land.. have to research it more..
I could probably wait till the 10 year mark at time warner and collect a % of my pension...
Who here lived in Panama again? How is it there, easy to move to?
After the little cold spell we just had, wife's reconsidering a move to cold climates lol...
Hawaii has TWC, and I could probably land a job there.. I know traffic there is insane, coast of living about the same as NY but less taxes leave you with more $$
Traffic in HI is not that bad. Certainly not insane. Housing cost is the issue.
Didn't it depend on which island?
Quote from: cokey on November 16, 2013, 01:51:18 PM
Didn't it depend on which island?
For cost or traffic? Of course the worst traffic is in Honolulu or even the north shore when the waves are big but neither have anything on CA traffic.
what little time I've spent there, I really like Northern Arizona, Flagstaff, Sedona, Cottomwood, Jerome area. can't comment on cost of living. Durango CO is real nice too, altho my friends that live there were telling me big business is starting to move in, kind of killing the vibe.
Quote from: hbliam on November 16, 2013, 04:03:21 PM
For cost or traffic? Of course the worst traffic is in Honolulu or even the north shore when the waves are big but neither have anything on CA traffic.
traffic... yea i've heard there was like one major highway towards the city so it was always crowded.. it was some one on here matter of fact.. good reason to ride a MC..
Quote from: Privateer on November 18, 2013, 06:21:36 AM
what little time I've spent there, I really like Northern Arizona, Flagstaff, Sedona, Cottomwood, Jerome area. can't comment on cost of living. Durango CO is real nice too, altho my friends that live there were telling me big business is starting to move in, kind of killing the vibe.
its a good place.. my sister in law was in north phoniex.. believe shes in sedona now.. we stood in AZ for 3 weeks.. it is one of our options depending on work..
Has IZ responded here?
AFAIK he's lived everywhere.
Quote from: Speeddog on November 18, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
Has IZ responded here?
AFAIK he's lived everywhere.
[laugh]
FHE living in..
Austin, Lake Travis, Plano.
Tucson, Flagstaff, Scottsdale, Gilbert, Chandler, Mesa, Phoenix
Jupiter, FL
and now about 7 months living here in Irvine, CA.
I've got WA and MI covered too but you don't want to move to either.
Have you checked into the cities north of Dallas yet Cokey, i.e.: Plano, Allen, McKinney and Frisco? We found some really nice places with land with affordable prices. If we ever moved back to TX, I would seriously consider buying up there. Apple is opening up in Austin though and adding about 2K new jobs somewhere around there or Round Rock.
Quote from: Speeddog on November 18, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
Has IZ responded here?
AFAIK he's lived everywhere.
Does staying in one place for 6 days qualify as living there? [cheeky]
Quote from: Bick on November 18, 2013, 07:33:45 PM
Does staying in one place for 6 days qualify as living there? [cheeky]
6 days. If that's the case, I can count that time I "lived" in Denver with Stella and Randimus. ;D
Quote from: IZ on November 18, 2013, 07:59:40 PM
6 days. If that's the case, I can count that time I "lived" in Denver with Stella and Randimus. ;D
you were here for 6 days?
Yea I've talked to iz few times about Austin.. iz, north of Dallas, isn't there a lot of tornados?
Also, even thgh flat land is better for growing, I'd rather be some place with hills..
Quote from: cokey on November 18, 2013, 08:12:28 PM
Yea I've talked to iz few times about Austin.. iz, north of Dallas, isn't there a lot of tornados?
Yes, it's pretty flat around Plano and there are tornados. We had warnings in Austin a couple times. I'm used to them though being from MI.
Austin/Lake Travis..the hill country is nice for riding but the lake is drying up though. The city is growing fast. The traffic sucks but it is a cool place to live.
Have you looked around San Marcos or San Antonio at all?
Not yet.. some one referred me towards east Texas.. pretty big aquifer area so I can drill for water...
Quote from: cokey on November 18, 2013, 08:12:28 PM
Yea I've talked to iz few times about Austin.. iz, north of Dallas, isn't there a lot of tornados?
Been in Frisco 14 years and have NOT seen or had one here. Technically Austin is also tornado alley. The surroundings are flat but 20 miles out of town and you can have some good riding roads, plus it's a quick sprint to the "good" roads from Frisco, Plano, Allen and McKinney. What you find for the money is incredible here and there are tons of companies to work for here. I like Austin, well north of downtown that is, but industry is not as good as it is in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. The job market here is constantly on the move and there are a lot of opportunities plus to hub airlines flying just about anywhere. If you need some help/advice or contacts let me know via pm with your phone and I'll call you back. We also have a huge Ducati group here and often get together for rides which includes far'yander places.
I threw Iz and crew a welcome party and he split town shortly thereafter.....don't trust him....just saying. :o
oh and if you're into guns you can have just about anything your heart desires here. ;D
Quote from: muskrat on November 19, 2013, 03:53:56 PM
Been in Frisco 14 years and have NOT seen or had one here. Technically Austin is also tornado alley. The surroundings are flat but 20 miles out of town and you can have some good riding roads, plus it's a quick sprint to the "good" roads from Frisco, Plano, Allen and McKinney. What you find for the money is incredible here and there are tons of companies to work for here. I like Austin, well north of downtown that is, but industry is not as good as it is in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. The job market here is constantly on the move and there are a lot of opportunities plus to hub airlines flying just about anywhere. If you need some help/advice or contacts let me know via pm with your phone and I'll call you back. We also have a huge Ducati group here and often get together for rides which includes far'yander places.
I threw Iz and crew a welcome party and he split town shortly thereafter.....don't trust him....just saying. :o
Hey..I said Plano may only be temp stay since it was a short term gig for work. If we ever move out of CA though, I wouldn't mind settling down there.
D knows a lot of about the area Cokey so he's a good contact to have. I didn't think I would like it around DFW but I actually did about as much as Austin.
Sounds like it is time for another bacon vodka party [laugh]
thanks.. i'll def check them out... into firearms? thats just one of the many reasons we're getting out of here..
Quote from: cokey on November 20, 2013, 03:14:41 PM
thanks.. i'll def check them out... into firearms? thats just one of the many reasons we're getting out of here..
then come on down, there's plenty of shooting space. [thumbsup]
Quote from: cokey on November 20, 2013, 03:14:41 PM
thanks.. i'll def check them out... into firearms? thats just one of the many reasons we're getting out of here..
overdue now for 3 years!
I vote NH...
Smuttynose Brewing Co. is out of Portsmouth [drink]
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on November 22, 2013, 02:39:50 PM
I vote NH...Smuttynose Brewing Co. is out of Portsmouth [drink]
I'm sure they'll ship to TX.
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on November 22, 2013, 02:39:50 PM
I vote NH...
Smuttynose Brewing Co. is out of Portsmouth [drink]
So is Redhook... ;)