Really? http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Oval-Black-Brake-Clutch-Fluid-Tank-For-Ducati-Monster-1100-S-EVO-1000-S-/201046429244?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ecf4d0e3c&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Oval-Black-Brake-Clutch-Fluid-Tank-For-Ducati-Monster-1100-S-EVO-1000-S-/201046429244?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ecf4d0e3c&vxp=mtr)
Talk about the single most blatant rip off of someone parts! All I can hope is that anyone that buys them has them fade and leak all over their bike. I dislike counterfeiters and those that support them.
that rules. im gonna mount it to my sweet Brambo masters
I can think of two companies that need to call their lawyers. Sheesh.
Oh cmon that's amusing. :) the Brombo master cylinders on the other hand...lol.
[laugh]
I actually thought about getting some for the Bucati...... ;D
I'm sure they're available.
I deal with this all the time in my line of work, China making blatant counterfeits of brand name tattoo machines. What's frustrating is the quality is often quite good and I could sell an original design very well so they're doing more to harm the marketability of the product than anything by slapping that stupid fake logo on it.
I have levers, clutch covers and pressure plates, and front fork "carsh" sliders and I love the quality of their machined billet pieces.
Ha-ha I bought some passenger pegs from M-Factory. They are branded MF not Pazoma.. Damn
Quote from: Uncle Mofo on March 25, 2014, 01:44:55 PM
Ha-ha I bought some passenger pegs from M-Factory. They are branded MF not Pazoma.. Damn
M-Factory, The2Wheels, and MC-Motoparts...the Chinese big 3.
Quote from: Buck Naked on March 25, 2014, 06:39:02 PM
M-Factory, The2Wheels, and MC-Motoparts...the Chinese big 3.
I have my self purchase few parts from mc-motoparts and i am quite happy with the overall quallity and the price of course, but i can't really tell that the parts i bought are rip offs as they don't carry any logo they are just machines parts in a chinese factory!!!
Quote from: Metzis on March 26, 2014, 03:16:47 AM
I have my self purchase few parts from mc-motoparts and i am quite happy with the overall quallity and the price of course, but i can't really tell that the parts i bought are rip offs as they don't carry any logo they are just machines parts in a chinese factory!!!
Skybarney dislikes you. Now go sulk.
Quote from: Skybarney on March 25, 2014, 08:50:57 AM
Really? http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Oval-Black-Brake-Clutch-Fluid-Tank-For-Ducati-Monster-1100-S-EVO-1000-S-/201046429244?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ecf4d0e3c&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Oval-Black-Brake-Clutch-Fluid-Tank-For-Ducati-Monster-1100-S-EVO-1000-S-/201046429244?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ecf4d0e3c&vxp=mtr)
I dislike counterfeiters and those that support them.
People that buy Gucci are always upset at quality knockoffs. [cheeky]
Quote from: Metzis on March 26, 2014, 03:16:47 AM
I have my self purchase few parts from mc-motoparts and i am quite happy with the overall quallity and the price of course, but i can't really tell that the parts i bought are rip offs as they don't carry any logo they are just machines parts in a chinese factory!!!
Oh for sure. I've bought from all 3, they all are good.
I get upset about knock offs because I have been knocked off before... Has nothing to do with Gucci. [roll]
Quote from: Skybarney on March 26, 2014, 07:43:17 AM
I get upset about knock offs because I have been knocked off before... Has nothing to do with Gucci. [roll]
I guess I would too.
But you do have to admit you have spent a lot of money on every high end accesssory/modification you can get.
How much do you have into your bike? Seems very high end thus the Gucci comparison.
Yes... I am an envious A-hole [laugh]
Most of the times what you pay is what you get right? But for example i tried a local store with parts a year ago while i was on the search for a pair of levers!!! He showed me a branded pair in the price of 95â,¬ i purchased the pair that is on my bike 22 or 25 i am not quite sure and they are identical but without the name of the brand. I want to say that there are a lot of brands out there that by chinese machined parts they put the logo on and sell 3 times the price... If i would like to spent 200 in levers of course i would take a matching quality... My opinion is before you buy anything spent some time to search and you never know!!!!
Quote from: Skybarney on March 26, 2014, 07:43:17 AM
I get upset about knock offs because I have been knocked off before... Has nothing to do with Gucci. [roll]
I can understand the sentiment if you thought you were buying Pazzo Or Rizoma because the part had that name on it only to find out that it was a knockoff. This however is different. You know exactly what you're getting, it's not pretending to be either one of those. It is a ripoff of the design, but that's all.
Quote from: NAKID on March 26, 2014, 09:33:49 AM
I can understand the sentiment if you thought you were buying Pazzo Or Rizoma because the part had that name on it only to find out that it was a knockoff. This however is different. You know exactly what you're getting, it's not pretending to be either one of those. It is a ripoff of the design, but that's all.
Yep, this. In fact I'll prolly get the "Pazoma" billet reservoir brackets since Brembo wants 6x more for their cheesy stamped ones.
Quote from: NAKID on March 26, 2014, 09:33:49 AM
I can understand the sentiment if you thought you were buying Pazzo Or Rizoma because the part had that name on it only to find out that it was a knockoff. This however is different. You know exactly what you're getting, it's not pretending to be either one of those. It is a ripoff of the design, but that's all.
The main issue I have with some of the Chinese companies is that they will ignore copy write laws. So when you buy from the Original company some of what you pay for is the development time, where the knock off just reverse engineered it. The quality of the Chinese parts has come along way in recent years. I do hate that every time I look for anything on Ebay I have to go through 10 pages of these knock off parts though.
Remember that many of the brand name companies now outsource their manufacturing to Chinese factories. They receive the specs and build 2 sets, on ewith the brand name and the other without. In many cases you're getting exactly the same quality. In other times, it's blatant copyright infringement when they reverse engineer the part. The best way to find out is to try to figure out if the brand name outsources. If they do, then it's open season!
Quote from: duccarlos on March 26, 2014, 11:15:11 AM
Remember that many of the brand name companies now outsource their manufacturing to Chinese factories. They receive the specs and build 2 sets, on ewith the brand name and the other without. In many cases you're getting exactly the same quality. In other times, it's blatant copyright infringement when they reverse engineer the part. The best way to find out is to try to figure out if the brand name outsources. If they do, then it's open season!
[thumbsup]
Quote from: duccarlos on March 26, 2014, 11:15:11 AM
Remember that many of the brand name companies now outsource their manufacturing to Chinese factories. They receive the specs and build 2 sets, on ewith the brand name and the other without. In many cases you're getting exactly the same quality. In other times, it's blatant copyright infringement when they reverse engineer the part. The best way to find out is to try to figure out if the brand name outsources. If they do, then it's open season!
Right, and I see it going like this:
Product A meets tolerances= Name Brand
Product B does not= Cheap-O
Quote from: caperix on March 26, 2014, 10:02:27 AM
The main issue I have with some of the Chinese companies is that they will ignore copy write laws. So when you buy from the Original company some of what you pay for is the development time, where the knock off just reverse engineered it. The quality of the Chinese parts has come along way in recent years. I do hate that every time I look for anything on Ebay I have to go through 10 pages of these knock off parts though.
On the left side of ebay select "US Only" for the item location and you'll have far less knockoff crap.
Quote from: NAKID on March 26, 2014, 12:38:04 PM
Right, and I see it going like this:
Product A meets tolerances= Name Brand
Product B does not= Cheap-O
Eh, that's probably a stretch and a mostly innacurate assumption. Espec if you think that's the rule. Manufacturing costs are obviously way lower than elsewhere but the "if its too good to be true" rules still apply. Although I originally thought that about the levers but man are they nice for $30. The $5 bar ends though are crap.
I'll admit I would never trust the frame sliders...they're probably fine...but Chris @ Cycle Cat has a lot more incentive to not kill me than "Pazoma" lol
I treat this sort of part the same way I treat Harbor Freight.
If it doesn't need to carry a significant load, operate within a tolerance, or involve too many moving parts, Ill pick it up until I require a higher end tool/part.
otherwise I would rather go without until I can afford the better it
there is not a hell of a lot of parts that fit this criteria in motorcyle pats. oil fill cap? belt cover? maybe a lever?
I've installed quite a few sets of copycat "CRG" mirrors that customers bring in.
I charge more for installation.
Why, you ask?
I've had to fit different bolts because the supplied ones are too long/too short/head is too big/threads make the beast with two backsed up.
I've had to tap deeper threads/chase threads.
I've had to enlarge the part of the clamp that goes around the supplied bar end because it's too make the beast with two backsing small.
I've had to fix the chamfer on the wedge nut so the bar end would lock inside the bar.
Often, they won't hold position, because the ball is made of cheese plastic.
Or the rectangular hole in the ball for the dog-leg is too big, and the bolt can't be tightened enough to hold it because it's cheese plastic.
Or a month later, the make the beast with two backsing glass falls out.
It's bad enough that they blatantly copy every visual/shape aspect of the original product, but then they top it off by doing such a shoddy job of it that it's a pretty crappy product.
With genuine CRG mirrors, I can literally take them straight out of the box and put them on.
And they stay on, and stay adjusted, and the glass doesn't fall out.
And if you need replacement parts, you can get them.
Quote from: Ducatamount on March 26, 2014, 08:22:04 AM
I guess I would too.
But you do have to admit you have spent a lot of money on every high end accesssory/modification you can get.
How much do you have into your bike? Seems very high end thus the Gucci comparison.
Yes... I am an envious A-hole [laugh]
Yup I have about 21k into the bike. More than any other bike I have ever owned. In fact, I have never bought more for a bike than a new seat or sprockets and tires in my life.... It took me 20 years of waiting to finally be able to do it with no regrets. Had I only been able to afford the bike and the mods/maintenance were gonna cost me money I missed, I would be riding a stock Honda.
I have always had the view (even when broke) that if a company designs and builds a product they deserve the rewards for doing so. Granted the China "copies" may be selling to people that would never buy the original but the principal remains the same.
As I said though, I have been burned and it hurt more than a single product I had. It hurt my desire to chase other ideas and products I have had as I am completely aware of just how easily and quickly one gets ripped by China.
BTW I also plan on having 80k on it while still under warranty ;D
Now that I am done with the mods it is nice to just ride it.
I think some of you are blurring the line between "made in China" and cheap, counterfeit crap.
To each their own, but I support the companies that support the motorcycling community when at all possible.
Vortex, Speedymoto, Woodcraft, CRG...all are local, all make quality parts (in-house for the most part), and all support the moto community. I'm sure there are many more (Rizoma, etc). I've done a trackday pitted next to the Speedymoto guys (there aren't many of them), and they were all awesome. Woodcraft, Vortex, & CRG all support local racing. All of these companies also try to continuously improve their products.
The Chinese companies don't give a crap about the community...they just want your money. Some of their parts are good...some are shit. I wouldn't have a problem with them, except they blatantly steal other's designs instead of doing their own R&D. It's one thing if the local companies ship their designs to China to get manufactured, and then are suprised when knockoffs show up...it's totally different when they're making stuff locally and knockoffs show up.
Honestly what bothers me way more are companies that rebrand the China knock offs then charge a premium for them. Such as "Slingshot Racing" and PSR, both of whom are race sponsors. That's ripping off the company who made the OE *and* the customer. Not cool.
Was going to ask about some of the SSR stuff as it looked an awful lot like the chinese stuff on ebay but with SSR etched into it! Especially the billet drive hub as an interest!
Wonder if it's SSR stuff that they had manufactured in China and then got ripped off...or the other way around? Pretty sad if the other way around...and to be expected if they were having their stuff made in China to begin with.
A local machinist friend has a story of one of his friends sending parts off to be manufactured in China...he said that knock-offs were available before he even got his first shipment! :-\
Quote from: Triple J on March 28, 2014, 08:23:56 AM
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A local machinist friend has a story of one of his friends sending parts off to be manufactured in China...he said that knock-offs were available before he even got his first shipment! :-\
Unless he had an "enforceable" contract prohibiting that, and maintaining design rights, some would say he should not have been surprised.
Quote from: oldndumb on March 28, 2014, 09:43:28 AM
Unless he had an "enforceable" contract prohibiting that, and maintaining design rights, some would say he should not have been surprised.
No argument here, or from the guy telling me the story. It's just an example of what happens.
Great Value bar end mirrors.