Bad news for Ducati Corsa in advance of the Argentina round: Cal's out with worse-than-originally-thought injuries to his hand:
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/203490/1/cal-crutchlow-ruled-out-of-argentina.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/203490/1/cal-crutchlow-ruled-out-of-argentina.html)
And some background info on the new track:
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2014/04/22/the_termas_de_rio_hondo_circuit_in_argen.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2014/04/22/the_termas_de_rio_hondo_circuit_in_argen.html)
(http://motogpmatters.smugmug.com/MotoGP/2014/03-Argentina/i-25G3qwz/0/X3/Termascorners2014-X3.jpg)
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this, partial quote from Crutchlow:
“Unfortunately I'm still feeling too much pain in my right hand, "
I suspect that's like a normal person saying:
"My make the beast with two backsing hand is on fire! Hand me that cleaver so I can hack it off and it'll hurt less!"
He's a hard nut.
Interesting looking track.
The track looked pretty rough on the Marc VDS video. It was last year, so let's hope that everything was fixed.
Potential for more tire drama this weekend
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/Termas+de+Rio+Hondo+provides+new+challenge+for+Bridgestone (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/Termas+de+Rio+Hondo+provides+new+challenge+for+Bridgestone)
FP1:
1. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 42.804s [Lap 16/18] 322km/h (Top Speed)
2. Aleix Espargaro ESP NGM Forward Racing (Forward Yamaha) 1m 43.285s +0.481s [12/13] 319km/h
3. Alvaro Bautista ESP Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RC213V) 1m 43.637s +0.833s [16/19] 325km/h
4. Andrea Iannone ITA Pramac Racing (Desmosedici) 1m 43.706s +0.902s [13/16] 322km/h
5. Bradley Smith GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 43.806s +1.002s [17/18] 322km/h
6. Pol Espargaro ESP Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 43.961s +1.157s [16/19] 322km/h
7. Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda MotoGP (RC213V) 1m 44.055s +1.251s [15/20] 324km/h
8. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 44.096s +1.292s [13/17] 322km/h
9. Nicky Hayden USA Drive M7 Aspar (RCV1000R) 1m 44.333s +1.529s [17/18] 309km/h
10. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 44.502s +1.698s [14/18] 321km/h
11. Scott Redding GBR Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RCV1000R)* 1m 44.763s +1.959s [13/18] 307km/h
12. Michele Pirro ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 44.790s +1.986s [16/17] 316km/h
13. Yonny Hernandez COL Pramac Racing (Desmosedici) 1m 44.889s +2.085s [11/16] 318km/h
14. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 45.103s +2.299s [3/16] 320km/h
15. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Drive M7 Aspar (RCV1000R) 1m 45.137s +2.333s [20/20] 311km/h
16. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 45.724s +2.920s [14/17] 323km/h
17. Colin Edwards USA NGM Forward Racing (Forward Yamaha) 1m 45.808s +3.004s [15/17] 313km/h
18. Danilo Petrucci ITA IodaRacing Project (ART) 1m 46.008s +3.204s [10/16] 305km/h
19. Michael Laverty GBR Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART) 1m 46.167s +3.363s [12/14] 308km/h
20. Mike Di Meglio FRA Avintia Racing (Avintia)* 1m 46.264s +3.460s [9/19] 307km/h
21. Broc Parkes AUS Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART)* 1m 46.896s +4.092s [14/16] 303km/h
22. Hector Barbera ESP Avintia Racing (Avintia) 1m 47.027s +4.223s [14/17] 309km/h
23. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing (RCV1000R) 1m 47.037s +4.233s [11/16] 310km/h
Early reports say rear tire wear is going to be an issue...
MM smoking em in fp2. Watching that kid ride never gets old.
Too much Honda this year.
1 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 325.0 1'39.313
2 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 325.5 1'40.396 1.083 / 1.083
3 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA NGM Forward Racing Forward Yamaha 320.3 1'40.566 1.253 / 0.170
4 6 Stefan BRADL GER LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 325.8 1'40.891 1.578 / 0.325
5 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 328.4 1'41.042 1.729 / 0.151
6 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 323.8 1'41.303 1.990 / 0.261
7 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 321.8 1'41.368 2.055 / 0.065
8 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 322.5 1'41.395 2.082 / 0.027
9 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 323.8 1'41.533 2.220 / 0.138
10 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Pramac Racing Ducati 323.9 1'41.924 2.611 / 0.391
11 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA GO&FUN Honda Gresini Honda 325.8 1'42.029 2.716 / 0.105
12 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Energy T.I. Pramac Racing Ducati 320.2 1'42.128 2.815 / 0.099
13 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Honda 317.2 1'42.348 3.035 / 0.220
14 5 Colin EDWARDS USA NGM Forward Racing Forward Yamaha 312.5 1'42.608 3.295 / 0.260
15 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Drive M7 Aspar Honda 311.0 1'42.621 3.308 / 0.013
16 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Avintia Racing Avintia 308.1 1'42.739 3.426 / 0.118
17 23 Broc PARKES AUS Paul Bird Motorsport PBM 301.6 1'42.827 3.514 / 0.088
18 51 Michele PIRRO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 318.3 1'42.898 3.585 / 0.071
19 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA IodaRacing Project ART 306.6 1'43.106 3.793 / 0.208
20 63 Mike DI MEGLIO FRA Avintia Racing Avintia 309.2 1'43.125 3.812 / 0.019
21 70 Michael LAVERTY GBR Paul Bird Motorsport PBM 306.5 1'43.151 3.838 / 0.026
22 45 Scott REDDING GBR GO&FUN Honda Gresini Honda 307.3 1'43.165 3.852 / 0.014
23 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN Drive M7 Aspar Honda 311.0 1'43.347 4.034 / 0.182
FP3:
1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 39.171s [Lap 16/19] 325km/h (Top Speed)
2. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 39.330s +0.159s [16/19] 324km/h
3. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 39.458s +0.287s [18/21] 322km/h
4. Aleix Espargaro ESP NGM Forward Racing (Forward Yamaha) 1m 39.573s +0.402s [17/18] 321km/h
5. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 39.757s +0.586s [15/17] 325km/h
6. Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda MotoGP (RC213V) 1m 39.771s +0.600s [19/21] 325km/h
7. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 39.782s +0.611s [17/21] 320km/h
8. Andrea Iannone ITA Pramac Racing (Desmosedici) 1m 40.050s +0.879s [17/18] 324km/h
9. Alvaro Bautista ESP Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RC213V) 1m 40.223s +1.052s [14/17] 325km/h
10. Pol Espargaro ESP Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 40.422s +1.251s [10/15] 321km/h
11. Bradley Smith GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 40.575s +1.404s [16/23] 323km/h
12. Yonny Hernandez COL Pramac Racing (Desmosedici) 1m 40.802s +1.631s [15/17] 321km/h
13. Colin Edwards USA NGM Forward Racing (Forward Yamaha) 1m 40.950s +1.779s [16/18] 314km/h
14. Nicky Hayden USA Drive M7 Aspar (RCV1000R) 1m 41.142s +1.971s [19/20] 309km/h
15. Scott Redding GBR Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RCV1000R)* 1m 41.193s +2.022s [15/19] 307km/h
16. Michele Pirro ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 41.457s +2.286s [13/15] 315km/h
17. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing (RCV1000R) 1m 41.552s +2.381s [14/14] 310km/h
18. Mike Di Meglio FRA Avintia Racing (Avintia)* 1m 41.904s +2.733s [14/15] 308km/h
19. Broc Parkes AUS Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART)* 1m 41.935s +2.764s [12/15] 302km/h
20. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Drive M7 Aspar (RCV1000R) 1m 41.958s +2.787s [17/20] 311km/h
21. Danilo Petrucci ITA IodaRacing Project (ART) 1m 42.419s +3.248s [14/17] 304km/h
22. Hector Barbera ESP Avintia Racing (Avintia) 1m 42.482s +3.311s [12/13] 309km/h
23. Michael Laverty GBR Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART) 1m 42.932s +3.761s [12/16] 305km/h
Top 10 - Combined practice times:
1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
2. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
3. Valentino Rossi ITA Yamaha Factory Racing (YZR-M1)
4. Aleix Espargaro ESP NGM Mobile Forward Racing (FTR-M1)
5. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici)
6. Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda MotoGP (RC213V)
7. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory Racing (YZR-M1)
8. Andrea Iannone ITA Pramac Racing (Desmosedici)
9. Alvaro Bautista ESP Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RC213V)
10. Pol Espargaro ESP Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)
Marquez swaps the hard rear he's been using so far for a medium, and smokes the field by 0.7 of a second :o
I do wonder if Espargaro & the Ducatis are going to wish they had access to the hard tire instead of the medium over the full length of the race.
Q2:
1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 37.683s [Lap 5/6] 327km/h (Top Speed)
2. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 38.425s +0.742s [6/7] 322km/h
3. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 38.651s +0.968s [7/8] 325km/h
4. Aleix Espargaro ESP NGM Forward Racing (Forward Yamaha) 1m 38.794s +1.111s [6/7] 320km/h
5. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 38.856s +1.173s [5/6] 324km/h
6. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 38.949s +1.266s [6/8] 321km/h
7. Bradley Smith GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 38.958s +1.275s [8/8] 322km/h
8. Andrea Iannone ITA Pramac Racing (Desmosedici) 1m 39.237s +1.554s [5/7] 325km/h
9. Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda MotoGP (RC213V) 1m 39.297s +1.614s [2/2] 323km/h
10. Alvaro Bautista ESP Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RC213V) 1m 39.429s +1.746s [7/8] 325km/h
11. Pol Espargaro ESP Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 39.822s +2.139s [2/8] 321km/h
12. Nicky Hayden USA Drive M7 Aspar (RCV1000R) 1m 40.541s +2.858s [7/7] 310km/h
Q1:
13. Scott Redding GBR Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RCV1000R)* 1m 40.238s
14. Colin Edwards USA NGM Forward Racing (Forward Yamaha) 1m 40.476s
15. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing (RCV1000R) 1m 40.615s
16. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Drive M7 Aspar (RCV1000R) 1m 40.616s
17. Yonny Hernandez COL Pramac Racing (Desmosedici) 1m 40.691s
18. Broc Parkes AUS Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART)* 1m 40.981s
19. Michele Pirro ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 41.018s
20. Michael Laverty GBR Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART) 1m 41.103s
21. Hector Barbera ESP Avintia Racing (Avintia) 1m 41.129s
22. Mike Di Meglio FRA Avintia Racing (Avintia)* 1m 41.267s
23. Danilo Petrucci ITA IodaRacing Project (ART) 1m 41.686s
Watching Moto2 live right now . . . just started :o
Unless Yamaha finds some magic, this year Championship could be mathematically over at mid season [roll]
Quote from: HotIce on April 27, 2014, 11:24:32 AM
Unless Yamaha finds some magic, this year Championship could be mathematically over at mid season [roll]
this . . . and JL is very very far in points . . .
Gotta say that I am starting to actually feel a little sorry for Stumpy McAlwaysABridesmaidNeverABride
I had a feeling Marquez was toying with Lorenzo. Its too bad Rossi got run off after the Bradl pass. I think he would have been on the podium.
At least Crazy Joe didn't do too bad.
Great opening laps, and too bad about that pass from Bradl on Rossi... not sure if he would have podiumed but it might have been close.
And damn... MM is just crazy right now. I wonder if there is anything beside injury that is going to make this season a bit more interesting in terms of points.
No longer guessing podium position #1 anymore.
Was hoping for Rossi to be on podium. I hope he keeps fighting.
Moto3 was just awesome!! Fenati I thought would be penalized for the last corner last lap contact on miller.
They won't touch him, he's Rossi's boy. ;)
Quote from: thought on April 27, 2014, 03:29:26 PM
Great opening laps, and too bad about that pass from Bradl on Rossi... not sure if he would have podiumed but it might have been close.
And damn... MM is just crazy right now. I wonder if there is anything beside injury that is going to make this season a bit more interesting in terms of points.
+1 to all of the above.
I got real tired of seeing the Stoner parade but haven't yet grown weary of watching the kid spank the entire field.
It pissed me off in Moto 2 but now I can't help but have utmost respect [bow_down]
Good goin' Crazy Joe! He's showing some real potential
I only like Pedro when he passes Lorenzo on the penultimate lap [beer]
The more I think about today race, the more it looks strange.
Clearly Lorenzo was The Cork, and Repsol's Honda had at least 0.5s/lap on him. Rossi was on Lorenzo's times.
Granted, Marquez kind of played with him today, but why wasn't Pedrosa closing on Marquez, why he was on the back of The Cork?
Pedrosa got The Cork in two laps, after Marquez took off, which suggests he could have gone much closer to Marquez.
Team orders?
Pedrosa didn't start off well. He got caught up in traffic
I don't think any orders are needed for Marquez to win
Quote from: ab on April 27, 2014, 05:41:34 PM
Moto3 was just awesome!! Fenati I thought would be penalized for the last corner last lap contact on miller.
Quote from: koko64 on April 27, 2014, 05:44:32 PM
They won't touch him, he's Rossi's boy. ;)
i didn't think that move was what they were trying to make of it and the replays made it even look less so.
last lap, last corner, and he want for the hole and nobody crashed.
that said, fenati was given a point for "irresponsible riding causing danger to other competitors," so there's his warning.
Yeah, just a warning will do, they're young. I never did anything wrong when I was young.. 8)
The first few laps looked almost like Moto2. I won't go as far as saying they were Moto3 like, because there wasn't that much rubbin. Bradl pushed Rossi off, but he was not on pace to keep up with the Hondas. I would not count out Lorenzo just yet. As we get into the European rounds, we should see the Yamahas get closer.
Marquez is the man. Bad start, and still schooled everyone. Hopfully JLo and the rest can get him back once they return to Europe...looking right now like the only one that may be able to beat him is himself though.
Quote from: Triple J on April 29, 2014, 08:44:16 AM
Marquez is the man. Bad start, and still schooled everyone. Hopfully JLo and the rest can get him back once they return to Europe...looking right now like the only one that may be able to beat him is himself though.
I don't necessarily agree. I just think he gets up to speed on unknown tracks quicker than the rest. The older guys should make it more interesting in the next few rounds.
Quote from: duccarlos on April 29, 2014, 01:37:41 PM
I don't necessarily agree. I just think he gets up to speed on unknown tracks quicker than the rest. The older guys should make it more interesting in the next few rounds.
Dunno bro...He's the first rider in a while that has won from seventh place after the start.
All the 'players' have ridden at Quatar and Austin and he rode away from them.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 29, 2014, 02:07:06 PM
Dunno bro...He's the first rider in a while that has won from seventh place after the start.
With relative ease [bow_down]
If MM stays healthy, I don't think anyone stands a chance. He's more dominant right now than Stoner was in 2011.
2013 Jerez:
Pedrosa 1st
MM - 2.5 seconds behind
Lorenzo - 5 seconds behind Pedrosa
27 lap race
Pedro's going to have to be totally on his game to beat MM.
Quote from: Triple J on April 29, 2014, 02:59:02 PM
With relative ease [bow_down]
If MM stays healthy, I don't think anyone stands a chance. He's more dominant right now than Stoner was in 2011.
Stoner had Rossi at his peak to contend with, but we won't see that again. In light of that, unless George (or Yamaha) steps up to another level, I agree nothing but injury can stop him. Lorenzo looks to be at the very limit both physically and mentally. Right now I wish Stoner hadn't retired. The next few years could be like the Doohan years. Rossi won't break Ago's record, but MM could imo.
I can see Pedrosa pulling an upset at Jerez. I doubt the Yamahas will be able to keep up with the Hondas.
Quote from: koko64 on April 29, 2014, 03:55:37 PM
Stoner had Rossi at his peak to contend with, but we won't see that again. In light of that, unless George (or Yamaha) steps up to another level, I agree nothing but injury can stop him. Lorenzo looks to be at the very limit both physically and mentally. Right now I wish Stoner hadn't retired. The next few years could be like the Doohan years. Rossi won't break Ago's record, but MM could imo.
Rossi was on a Ducati in 2011 so zero threat...Stoner only had to deal with JLo and Pedrobot, and a little Dovi.
MM basically has the same challenge. I agree on JLo...MM is in his head. I too wish Stoner was still around. I think the 2 of them would have epic battles...although we'd have to listen to epic crying from Stoner due to MM's style.
Pardon, I was thinking 2007. Ducati stopped Rossi breaking the record for sure imo. That and Simo's death broke his momentum.
Lets hope Pedro can do something at Jerez.
Quote from: koko64 on April 29, 2014, 03:55:37 PMRossi won't break Ago's record, but MM could imo.
If he races for the next 15 years, and he wins every single year, yes, it could break Ago's record [roll]
Quote from: HotIce on April 29, 2014, 06:55:41 PM
If he races for the next 15 years, and he wins every single year, yes, it could break Ago's record [roll]
He could in the Premier class regarding race wins.
MM worst enemy is himself and by trying to better himself he can get into trouble . . .
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on April 29, 2014, 07:23:10 PM
MM worst enemy is himself and by trying to better himself he can get into trouble . . .
But at the same time, it seems that since he just doesnt know any better, he has figured out how he can push the bike a lot harder than everyone in the paddock thought you could. He's riding the bike to the limit it can be ridden now vs what years of experience has taught him is the limit it can be raced at.
Quote from: thought on April 29, 2014, 07:36:00 PM
But at the same time, it seems that since he just doesnt know any better, he has figured out how he can push the bike a lot harder than everyone in the paddock thought you could. He's riding the bike to the limit it can be ridden now vs what years of experience has taught him is the limit it can be raced at.
Yes, he might have figured out "HOW TO" . . . but, if he feels "over confident" he can push and push and he'll be OK, until that moment in time when . . .
Quote from: HotIce on April 29, 2014, 06:55:41 PM
If he races for the next 15 years, and he wins every single year, yes, it could break Ago's record [roll]
he's got 35 career wins (as of this posting) vs ago's 122. he could theoretically trump it in less than five seasons.
Has MM crashed this year in MotoGP?
IIRC, no.
Quote from: derby on April 29, 2014, 08:44:25 PM
he's got 35 career wins (as of this posting) vs ago's 122. he could theoretically trump it in less than five seasons.
For GOTA, people typically counts championships won, because those tell a MUCH better story, as they stretch over a long period of time, filtering stars from meteors.
You could possibly have the best bike for 4 years, maybe sneak through a time with not many rivals on your same bike, and collect a bunch of wins.
Doing that for 15+ years, possibly on different categories and bikes, is what better defines a GOTA.
Quote from: derby on April 29, 2014, 08:44:25 PM
he's got 35 career wins (as of this posting) vs ago's 122. he could theoretically trump it in less than five seasons.
35? Do they count lower classes or just the top class?
I was comparing premier class wins. iirc that was the record Rossi was aiming for. If he hadn't lost momentum, he would have come close. Someone will have the stats.. [popcorn]
I think MM has a chance if he stays healthy, chooses his bike carefully and stays motivated.
You could compare total wins in all classes or titles, which would be almost impossible to beat in the modern era. Only three classes now. Some argue that Ago won some of his titles on OHC 3 & 4 cylinders against single cylinder compressors (albeit with nice chassis), so therefore an uneven playing field.
It can open a whole can of worms as far as arguments go.
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on April 29, 2014, 07:51:33 PM
Yes, he might have figured out "HOW TO" . . . but, if he feels "over confident" he can push and push and he'll be OK, until that moment in time when . . .
Everyone keeps saying this about MM...but I'm not so sure anymore. Sure, any racer can crash and get hurt, and MM is no different. BUT, I no longer think this is
more likely for him than anyone else...I'd even say it is
less likely.
He pushes harder than anyone, but I think he has much better feel and bike control than anyone as well. He also appears to be extremely smart and a very quick learner. He crashed something like 15 times last season...but only once in a race. That isn't a coincidence.
Quote from: HotIce on April 30, 2014, 06:24:24 AM
For GOTA, people typically counts championships won, because those tell a MUCH better story, as they stretch over a long period of time, filtering stars from meteors.
You could possibly have the best bike for 4 years, maybe sneak through a time with not many rivals on your same bike, and collect a bunch of wins.
Doing that for 15+ years, possibly on different categories and bikes, is what better defines a GOTA.
GOAT = Greatest Of All Time
Anyway, you can't directly compare championships because Ago won double championships in 5 seasons. That isn't even possible now, no matter how good a rider is. Take away 5 of those championships because they're double, and someone just needs to now win 10 to match. MM already has 3, in 3 different classes.
Rossi has 9, 7 in the premier class. Looks like he won't match Ago's number, or his overall win total. I'd still consider Rossi the GOAT though, due to the bikes he had to ride to win his championships. He's won championships on 125cc, 250cc, 500cc, 990cc, & 800 cc machines. If different categories and bikes is your criteria, then Rossi has it hands down.
...and MM will have a tough time beating Rossi's accomplishments, despite the fact that he might be better, as winning on that variety of machinery is no longer possible.
Just goes to show...it's hard to compare riders over different eras.
Quote from: Triple J on April 30, 2014, 09:05:48 AM
Anyway, you can't directly compare championships because Ago won double championships in 5 seasons. That isn't even possible now, no matter how good a rider is.
It wouldn't happen, but is there anything in the rules today that says a rider can't ride in both the MotoGP and Moto2 races (obviously, on appropriate bikes)?
Just curious.
You also have to look at the talent that's coming up the lower classes. Aleix would be up there with MM if he was riding the other Repsol. Iannone is holding his own on the shit Duc. Vinales won on his 2nd race in Moto2.
Quote from: koko64 on April 30, 2014, 06:41:45 AM
I was comparing premier class wins. iirc that was the record Rossi was aiming for. If he hadn't lost momentum, he would have come close. Someone will have the stats.. [popcorn]
ago had 68 wins in the premier class.
rossi (as of this post) has 80 premier-class wins (13 in 500gp and 67 in motogp).
rossi's been chasing ago's all-time record for a while.
I'm pretty sure Rossi had sex with WAAAAAY more people than Ago. GOAT. [thumbsup]
I don't know about that. That's the other championship. [laugh]
Ago did pretty well from what they say (especially in the 60's-70's) ;D.
Quote from: Spidey on April 30, 2014, 02:34:51 PM
I'm pretty sure Rossi had sex with WAAAAAY more people than Ago. GOAT. [thumbsup]
Without knowing anything about their personal lives, I would disagree simply based on the fact that Ago raced in the 60s and 70s. Free love era wins over modern media era. 8)
â†' plus Uscio is always around . . . ;D
Quote from: koko64 on April 30, 2014, 05:44:20 PM
Ago did pretty well from what they say (especially in the 60's-70's) ;D.
Ago may have the overall numbers (which I do not concede), but Rossi has way more premiere class "wins."
Quote from: Spidey on April 30, 2014, 02:34:51 PM
I'm pretty sure Rossi had sex with WAAAAAY more people than Ago. GOAT. [thumbsup]
You know, it is likely the contrary ;D
I 'spose we'll know in a few years time if MM is on the right trajectory to challenge those guys.
IMO premier class wins count the most, but that's me and probably the wrong attitude. I'm working on the assumption that the big hp bikes are harder to ride.
Quote from: koko64 on April 30, 2014, 09:31:54 PM
I'm working on the assumption that the big hp bikes are harder to ride.
If harder to ride is a criterion, 500 two-stroke wins should count double anything else. Never personally been on anything like one, but tradition has it they were untamed beasts.
Quote from: 1.21GW on April 30, 2014, 09:50:06 PM
If harder to ride is a criterion, 500 two-stroke wins should count double anything else. Never personally been on anything like one, but tradition has it they were untamed beasts.
I agree...and Rossi is the only one of the 3 being discussed to ride one. I think MM could though.
Quote from: koko64 on April 30, 2014, 09:31:54 PM
I 'spose we'll know in a few years time if MM is on the right trajectory to challenge those guys.
he's more or less tracking rossi right now, but with an "extra" season in 125s and an "extra" championship in moto2.
he's got what it takes. the real question is who will come up from moto3 and moto2 to challenge him?
Quote from: koko64 on April 30, 2014, 09:31:54 PM
IMO premier class wins count the most, but that's me and probably the wrong attitude. I'm working on the assumption that the big hp bikes are harder to ride.
http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/Statistics (http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/Statistics)
Results for:
1st place finishes in MotoGP/500cc at All tracks in All years, for riders from All countries
80 Valentino Rossi ITALY
68 Giacomo Agostini ITALY
54 Mick Doohan AUSTRALIA
38 Casey Stoner AUSTRALIA
37 Mike Hailwood GREAT BRITAIN
31 Jorge Lorenzo SPAIN
31 Eddie Lawson UNITED STATES
25 Kevin Schwantz UNITED STATES
25 Dani Pedrosa SPAIN
24 Wayne Rainey UNITED STATES
22 Geoff Duke GREAT BRITAIN
22 John Surtees GREAT BRITAIN
22 Kenny Roberts UNITED STATES
20 Freddie Spencer UNITED STATES
19 Barry Sheene GREAT BRITAIN
18 Wayne Gardner AUSTRALIA
15 Alex Criville SPAIN
13 Randy Mamola UNITED STATES
13 Max Biaggi ITALY
11 Phil Read GREAT BRITAIN
9 Loris Capirossi ITALY
9 Sete Gibernau SPAIN
9 Marc Marquez SPAIN
Thanks Derby
Puts it all into perspective.
If MM can go for 10 years...
Really drives home how Stoner should have kept going.