FP1:
Pos. Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time Gap 1st/Prev.
1 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA NGM Forward Racing Forward Yamaha 284.5 1'22.170
2 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 288.3 1'22.423 0.253 / 0.253
3 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 289.8 1'22.466 0.296 / 0.043
4 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 290.9 1'22.599 0.429 / 0.133
5 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA GO&FUN Honda Gresini Honda 291.4 1'22.631 0.461 / 0.032
6 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 289.2 1'22.767 0.597 / 0.136
7 6 Stefan BRADL GER LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 291.9 1'22.802 0.632 / 0.035
8 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 291.1 1'22.848 0.678 / 0.046
9 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Pramac Racing Ducati 289.7 1'22.874 0.704 / 0.026
10 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Energy T.I. Pramac Racing Ducati 288.5 1'22.896 0.726 / 0.022
11 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 292.9 1'22.908 0.738 / 0.012
12 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 290.3 1'23.150 0.980 / 0.242
13 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Ducati Team Ducati 289.3 1'23.229 1.059 / 0.079
14 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Drive M7 Aspar Honda 277.4 1'23.372 1.202 / 0.143
15 45 Scott REDDING GBR GO&FUN Honda Gresini Honda 277.2 1'23.420 1.250 / 0.048
16 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Avintia Racing Avintia 278.4 1'23.428 1.258 / 0.008
17 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Honda 278.8 1'23.432 1.262 / 0.004
18 5 Colin EDWARDS USA NGM Forward Racing Forward Yamaha 284.6 1'23.699 1.529 / 0.267
19 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN Drive M7 Aspar Honda 282.0 1'23.825 1.655 / 0.126
20 70 Michael LAVERTY GBR Paul Bird Motorsport PBM 278.7 1'23.925 1.755 / 0.100
21 63 Mike DI MEGLIO FRA Avintia Racing Avintia 277.1 1'24.131 1.961 / 0.206
22 23 Broc PARKES AUS Paul Bird Motorsport PBM 273.8 1'24.974 2.804 / 0.843
23 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Octo IodaRacing Team ART 272.1 1'25.219 3.049 / 0.245
FP2:
Pos. Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time Gap 1st/Prev.
1 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA NGM Forward Racing Forward Yamaha 282.3 1'22.041
2 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 290.2 1'22.158 0.117 / 0.117
3 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 289.0 1'22.368 0.327 / 0.210
4 6 Stefan BRADL GER LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 290.7 1'22.430 0.389 / 0.062
5 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA GO&FUN Honda Gresini Honda 290.6 1'22.440 0.399 / 0.010
6 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Pramac Racing Ducati 289.3 1'22.565 0.524 / 0.125
7 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 290.0 1'22.569 0.528 / 0.004
8 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 291.7 1'22.576 0.535 / 0.007
9 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 291.2 1'22.589 0.548 / 0.013
10 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 289.0 1'22.619 0.578 / 0.030
11 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 288.6 1'22.719 0.678 / 0.100
12 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Energy T.I. Pramac Racing Ducati 287.9 1'22.724 0.683 / 0.005
13 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Ducati Team Ducati 288.3 1'22.757 0.716 / 0.033
14 70 Michael LAVERTY GBR Paul Bird Motorsport PBM 276.4 1'22.928 0.887 / 0.171
15 45 Scott REDDING GBR GO&FUN Honda Gresini Honda 276.0 1'22.933 0.892 / 0.005
16 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN Drive M7 Aspar Honda 281.9 1'22.961 0.920 / 0.028
17 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Honda 279.8 1'23.049 1.008 / 0.088
18 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Drive M7 Aspar Honda 277.1 1'23.204 1.163 / 0.155
19 5 Colin EDWARDS USA NGM Forward Racing Forward Yamaha 283.2 1'23.327 1.286 / 0.123
20 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Avintia Racing Avintia 275.5 1'23.393 1.352 / 0.066
21 63 Mike DI MEGLIO FRA Avintia Racing Avintia 275.7 1'23.858 1.817 / 0.465
22 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Octo IodaRacing Team ART 271.4 1'23.912 1.871 / 0.054
23 23 Broc PARKES AUS Paul Bird Motorsport PBM 276.7 1'24.158 2.117 / 0.246
Apparently MM's spill in FP1 did not quite hinder him for FP2.
Word was he bumped the shifter, went 2nd to 3rd at full lean. :P
Didn't slow him down much at all.
Pics are dramatic, dunno how his head stayed on.
Bradley's wading through the spares at a good clip.
Pedrosa lost the front into the turn after the waterfall, copped a pretty good thumping.
Couldn't even call the bike second hand, more like barely third hand.
He was looking very fast.
Quite the entertaining race for a bit.
Would have been way better if Bradl's crew had been able to complete the 'dry' conversion on the grid.
Dunno what RD is going to do about such a giant pack starting from pit lane, that was really hairball.
Pos. Points Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time/Gap
1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 158.1 41'47.664
2 20 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 158.0 +1.466
3 16 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 157.4 +10.317
4 13 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 156.9 +19.194
5 11 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Pramac Racing Ducati 156.6 +23.509
6 10 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA NGM Forward Racing Forward Yamaha 156.3 +27.809
7 9 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 156.0 +33.253
8 8 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 155.9 +33.868
9 7 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA GO&FUN Honda Gresini Honda 155.9 +34.231
10 6 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Ducati Team Ducati 155.9 +34.676
11 5 45 Scott REDDING GBR GO&FUN Honda Gresini Honda 155.7 +37.744
12 4 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN Drive M7 Aspar Honda 155.3 +45.018
13 3 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Honda 155.3 +45.177
14 2 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Drive M7 Aspar Honda 155.2 +46.676
15 1 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Octo IodaRacing Team ART 154.8 +52.769
16 6 Stefan BRADL GER LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 154.7 +53.889
17 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Energy T.I. Pramac Racing Ducati 154.7 +54.476
18 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Avintia Racing Avintia 154.6 +56.215
19 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 154.6 +56.293
20 5 Colin EDWARDS USA NGM Forward Racing Forward Yamaha 154.1 +1'04.083
21 23 Broc PARKES AUS Paul Bird Motorsport PBM 153.7 +1'10.928
22 63 Mike DI MEGLIO FRA Avintia Racing Avintia 153.2 +1'19.975
Not Classified
70 Michael LAVERTY GBR Paul Bird Motorsport PBM 153.3 13 Laps
MM, what can you say? If he wins the next 2 races, he becomes the only person to ever win the first 11 races of the season. At this point I would not go as far as saying that he will win every race, but I wouldn't put it pass him to win 15.
Give Iannone a factory ride!! He at least tries to ride the bike as it should be ridden.
That was a make the beast with two backsed up start. Thankfully no one crashed out of pit lane.
Poor Stephan, it was handed to him on a silver platter.
And yes, someone give Iannone a real bike!
Yeah I was sure holding my breath at the pit lane start. It could have been a disaster, but amazingly they all got through.
Maybe Iannone is focussing on adapting to the bike rather than the factory guys thinking about how the bike should change? I dunno.
Outback Jack is back! ;D
Motogp - how did MM recover from that bang straight on?
Crazy start. Too bad Bradl's electronic wasn't setup properly due to last minute at grid changes despite good call on tyre choice.
Too bad Rossi didn't keep Lorenzo off :(
Moto3. Jack miller indeed is back. Practice session - like the way he warms his back tyre sliding it and the one hand wheelie is great. Too bad about Fenati
Mm's a tough little bugger.
George showed some class today.
Quote from: koko64 on July 13, 2014, 04:07:22 PM
Mm's a tough little bugger.
George showed some class today.
Agree with that [thumbsup]
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say two things that might be sacrilegious but I don't care.
1. I love Crusty. Really I do. But I want to see him jump into something else so Crazy Joe can take his seat.
2. I wish Rossi would GTFO and move into another position with Yamaha. Crutchlow should have had a shot at that given his performance last year and it pains me to see him even bother with the Ducati. I can see why Rossi wants to stick around for the 2016 year. Maybe he will have a chance again at a championship with all the changes? But I don't care. Right now, he has no chance against MM and somebody younger could be taking that good bike and trying to do something with it.
Flame away [popcorn]
I'm with you on #1. Iannone deserves his seat.
You're crazy on #2. He's now 3rd in the championship behind Pedrobot. I'm not a huge Rossi fan (although I like him), and I don't think anyone else could ride that M1 better. Definitely not Cal. No one stands a chance against MM right now.
Quote from: Triple J on July 13, 2014, 06:16:22 PM
<snip> No one stands a chance against MM right now.
They couldn't even keep up if they were riding 2 up on his bike. ;)
Quote from: Triple J on July 13, 2014, 06:16:22 PM
I'm with you on #1. Iannone deserves his seat.
You're crazy on #2. He's now 3rd in the championship behind Pedrobot. I'm not a huge Rossi fan (although I like him), and I don't think anyone else could ride that M1 better. Definitely not Cal. No one stands a chance against MM right now.
I know I'm crazy. ;D
I'm also a younger generation and I missed Rossi's glory days. I don't see him in the same light as others.
Which means I'd like to see the old dog out and a new one in. Rossi was on the podium 6 times vs. Crusty's 4 in 2013 and he was on a satellite. Certainly Val has stepped it up as he's been on the podium 5 times this year but still.
Either way, crazy start to the race today. I turned it on half a lap into the race and got a real surprise to see the open guys up front
The truth is Rossi still has it, given he's a senior citizen [laugh]
I like Cal, but Dovi consistently beat him while in Tech3, and he's still beating him on the Duc. We all like his personality, but he's not an alien.
I think Cal would be interesting on Suzuki because it sorta fits his standing. He's not an alien but he's around factory rider status... Suzuki isnt the top factory but they are a factory ride. I'd like to see him try it out because I'm pretty sure that Ducati is going to try to push him to move from the factory ride.
And I have a hard time saying that Rossi is out... I cant think of someone else that I would like to see riding that bike on the grid. I'm also from a younger generation that didnt watch him in his glory days but his results this year speak for themselves to me. The only person I would think of moving up to that spot is AE and he has been crashing too much to be a contender.
But, in the end... all this is moot because MM is just going to spank them all anyway. haha. That kid is just ridiculous... and, theoretically, he's just going to get better and faster with some more seasons under his belt. That just crazy to me.
until he has one of those crashes that puts the fear of the flying spaghetti monster into him
Rossi is third in the championship behind the turd. Behind the guy that has never won a world championship.
Just saying [shot]
;D
I know he is still a very good rider. But I still can't help but feel like he will never beat MM. So to me, it's two more years of him bringing in money to Yamaha without the real deal results. Kinda like beating a dead horse.
You guys reserve the right to burn me at the stake if proven wrong.
If there was no MM, Rossi would be in contention for the Championship.
But, if pigs could fly, skeet shooting would be much more popular.
Rossi is past his sell-by date.
But his marketing value overrides that.
MotoGP is not a meritocracy.
I assume it's a rules thing that keeps riders (like Bradl this past weekend) from altering the electronics settings during the race? Plenty of consumer bikes make it easy to toggle between modes that alter the fuel mapping and traction control, and I can see it'd be tremendously useful to a rider to have different maps at his fingertips, especially in a race like this one that was on the cusp between wet & dry.
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on July 14, 2014, 09:40:29 AM
You guys reserve the right to burn me at the stake if proven wrong.
I've got the smiley ready... ;)
(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt84/SVT-GT500/smileys/mob-smiley.gif)
But yeah, I'm with speeddog... and all of the other aliens have had a good battle with MM this season and each one has been beaten in that 1v1. I think it's too hard to factor in MM at this point to the rest of the grid's standings... they only make more sense once he's taken out of them.
Quote from: bobspapa on July 14, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
until he has one of those crashes that puts the fear of the flying spaghetti monster into him
I actually think he's had a couple of them and he's managed to break a record doing that too haha. The highest speed crash in MotoGP to date is on his CV too. And those pics from this weekend of him landing on his head and the angle that helmet took looked horrible. Not to mention him breaking his leg this year too.
Quote from: Speeddog on July 14, 2014, 10:04:10 AM
But, if pigs could fly, skeet shooting would be much more popular.
[laugh]
Another thing to consider...GP teams care more about the manufacturer championship than the rider championship. As long as a rider is getting podiums consistenly, they are doing their job. They don't HAVE to win the individual championship, which is why HRC still really likes Pedrosa.
Quote from: triangleforge on July 14, 2014, 10:10:46 AM
I assume it's a rules thing that keeps riders (like Bradl this past weekend) from altering the electronics settings during the race? Plenty of consumer bikes make it easy to toggle between modes that alter the fuel mapping and traction control, and I can see it'd be tremendously useful to a rider to have different maps at his fingertips, especially in a race like this one that was on the cusp between wet & dry.
It wasnt the electronics... it seems that they didnt have time to change to a full dry setup for Bradl on the grid and they left in the wrong springs for the forks.
From this article:
http://motomatters.com/analysis/2014/07/14/2014_sachsenring_sunday_motogp_round_up_.html (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2014/07/14/2014_sachsenring_sunday_motogp_round_up_.html)
" Bradl's crew chief, 'Beefy' Bourguignon told the German publication Speedweek that they had planned to swap front fork springs, rear shock, and front brakes around for the start of the race. Normally, they would need 5:15 minutes to do all the work on the grid. But as the mechanics removed Bradl's rear shock, they dropped a spacer, losing precious time in recovering it. That left them with too little time to swap front fork springs, and with the softer of the front tires. The soft front forks meant that Bradl couldn't brake as hard as he needed to, with a dramatic effect on his lap times."
Feel pretty bad for him... he really needed some more results.
Quote from: triangleforge on July 14, 2014, 10:10:46 AM
I assume it's a rules thing that keeps riders (like Bradl this past weekend) from altering the electronics settings during the race? Plenty of consumer bikes make it easy to toggle between modes that alter the fuel mapping and traction control, and I can see it'd be tremendously useful to a rider to have different maps at his fingertips, especially in a race like this one that was on the cusp between wet & dry.
They can change electronic maps on the fly.
What they can't change during a race is suspension settings for dry vs. wet, which can involve quite a bit of work. I thought that was Bradl's problem.
Yep, the front forks were too soft. It was quite obvious when he had a huge moment going through the fast left turns. You could also tell because he should be able to open a huge gap between himself and the open bikes.
Got it; thanks for clarifying that. And for making my day with the knowledge that there's a guy in the MotoGP pits who goes by the moniker 'Beefy' Bourguignon! [laugh]
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on July 14, 2014, 09:40:29 AM
Rossi is third in the championship behind the turd. Behind the guy that has never won a world championship.
Just saying [shot]
;D
I know he is still a very good rider. But I still can't help but feel like he will never beat MM. So to me, it's two more years of him bringing in money to Yamaha without the real deal results. Kinda like beating a dead horse.
You guys reserve the right to burn me at the stake if proven wrong.
let me make sure i understand this correctly. rossi is the fastest/most consistent guy in the championship NOT on a honda, and you think he should give up his ride because he's old?
Quote from: derby on July 14, 2014, 02:38:11 PM
let me make sure i understand this correctly. rossi is the fastest/most consistent guy in the championship NOT on a honda, and you think he should give up his ride because he's old?
Good thing I don't have the feeling...
'cuz it'd be crushed. ;D
Perspective. It's just an opinion.
I've nothing against the elderly. My opinion is that he doesn't have it in him to beat MM.
I'd like to see what Aleix could do on the factory ride.
Like I said earlier, maybe 2016 will be his year.
Maybe I'm wrong about everything. Wouldn't be the first time :P
I don't think anyone on any bike has anything for MM.
It's all academic until he loses the mojo, a manufacturer builds a better bike, or the tire/rules change makes the Honda a dog.
I don't see any of those happening for quite some time.
IMO, Rossi is the only one with the mental fortitude to beat MM.
I don't think he's got quite enough speed to do it.
Pedrosa is broken.
Lorenzo is broken.
They're fast enough to fight, but they're mind f*cked.
Rossi was spectacular in his day, but it's time to move on and let the younger blokes have a go.
Na, he's performing too well to retire. He's the best No.2 rider there at present and would be an asset to any team with his experience in bike development.
as of the german round, rossi has bested lorenzo in two-thirds of the races this season.
he's also beat the second fastest guy on the best bike (pedrosa) four times, something lorenzo has only done once.
yamaha liked what they've seen enough to re-sign rossi for another two years.
lorenzo? no new contract (yet), and when he signs, i'm expecting it'll be for less money due to the above.
aleix probably "deserves" a better bike, but that's not likely to happen until his current contract is up unless a potential suitor is willing to buy him out of yet another obligation.
Yeah... I can't see how any factory would want to cut Rossi at this point. It's just because he's older and that he's Rossi that people are bagging on him I feel. I mean, if AE or Iannone or any of the younger guys were posting up his same results we would all be cheering him on as next possible contender to MM.
Imo, results are results. If you're the top 2nd or 3rd in that season... no one can really argue with you deserving that spot.
Either way, this is one hell of a swan song for him. If it werent for the game changer of MM showing up that is.
Yes, this is Rossi's 2nd swan song, the first after winning a championship after 2 yrs went by. Pedrosa has matured a lot, as has Lorenzo. Does Pedrosa really still deserve to be called a turd? Give the man a break. If only he knew how to pass others! He appears to be the only one w/ a chance to beat MM.
I'm quite disappointed w/ Cal, was hoping he'd give it a stronger go this year on the Duck. Much as I like Dovi, it would be great to see Cal beat him. It'll be interesting to see where Cal lands- likely the Zook? He's becoming like Spies, burning bridges in a very small circle. Better watch that! I agree, Cal should ride out his last yr at Ducati but that's not looking likely.
Will/ should Nicky hang in for another year? His bike is no faster than it started.
Rossi is truly earning his spot and I have no issues w/ him sticking around. Quite suprising to see him in front of JLo regularly.
Colin Edwards is out right, who took his ride this yr again?
Forward will probably need to replace both CE and AE.
Quote from: silas on July 15, 2014, 01:00:52 PM
He's becoming like Spies, burning bridges in a very small circle.
what bridges did spies burn?
Quote from: duccarlos on July 15, 2014, 01:14:56 PM
Forward will probably need to replace both CE and AE.
will
definitely need to replace colin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbC_89dhDFE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbC_89dhDFE)
Quote from: derby on July 15, 2014, 01:24:16 PM
will definitely need to replace colin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbC_89dhDFE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbC_89dhDFE)
I know that they need to replace CE, but now, depending if you believe the gossip, they might also need to replace AE.
Quote from: silas on July 15, 2014, 01:00:52 PM
Does Pedrosa really still deserve to be called a turd? Give the man a break. If only he knew how to pass others! He appears to be the only one w/ a chance to beat MM.
No he doesn't really deserve to be called a Turd but it's more fun that way.
I forget where I read it but they said he is the 8th most successful rider on GP history.
He is fast. No doubt. The stars just never aligned for him and now..... #93
Yeah, it was like being in the top 5 for the world heavyweight championship when Ali was around. Bugger. ;D
so.....nobody should be riding around the track except mm because its all for nothing...it's settled then.
iroc for bikes is the only answer.
Quote from: derby on July 15, 2014, 01:22:35 PM
what bridges did spies burn?
derby, you're right. I could have selected better wording. My point is though, like Cal with his horrendous luck this season, Spies had such bad episodes and luck with Yamaha, then Ducati, that he didn't seem employable anymore. Before he retired. Mechanical defects seem to hurt the perception of a riders' ability to do well. Spies did seem to bring a lot of it on himself, burning up clutches etc. Wish he was still on the horse tho.
The GPS unit on both Cals and Spies's Duck got confused where the bike was on the track. Happened to Nicky at least once also. The Ducati is not just a career staller- it snags the riders' own confidence.
MGP seems a lot like baseball- your confidence can really affect the outcome. A lot of mind tricks are needed to win. Look at Lorenzo this season. Is it all in his head? (he used to be consistently ahead of Rossi). Now Rossi's head is back in the game & JLo is struggling.
You can't completely blame the bike for cal's issues. He's definitely had more issues with the equipment compared to Dovi, language barrier maybe, but most of his bad results have to be on his inability to ride the bike. Again, anyone naive enough to think that they'll be able to jump on a bike with the history the Duc has and think he'll win is clearly delusional.
I think if Ducati could take this year's bike and ran it against the Yamaha and Honda fro the first year of the 1Kcc bikes, they might be more competitive. The biggest issue is that Yamaha and Honda simply improve their bikes year over year and Ducati simply has not had a chance to catch up. Radical change.
I'd really like to see MM ride the Duc...just a test ride. He seems to adapt himself to the bike more than anyone else. I also think that is why Stoner was successful on it.
Agreed I think that he would be amazing on it
I think Cal was looking at the dollar signs vs the wins when he signed onto the team... and no matter what happens to his careers, he knows that he has that much in the bank to retire on. I doubt he thought that he would jump on and win... but I think he didnt think it would be this bad. Much like every other rider that's jumped onto the Duc.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 18, 2014, 05:59:40 AM
I think if Ducati could take this year's bike and ran it against the Yamaha and Honda fro the first year of the 1Kcc bikes, they might be more competitive. The biggest issue is that Yamaha and Honda simply improve their bikes year over year and Ducati simply has not had a chance to catch up. Radical change.
that was one of the biggest issues w/ harley's vr1000 program, too.
Quote from: derby on July 19, 2014, 09:14:06 PM
that was one of the biggest issues w/ harley's vr1000 program, too.
IIRC, they took Suzuki's approach.
Spend enough to be there, but nowhere near enough to get the job done.
Quote from: Speeddog on July 19, 2014, 11:06:40 PM
IIRC, they took Suzuki's approach.
Spend enough to be there, but nowhere near enough to get the job done.
That's not the case with the Duc. They dumped a shitload of money and continued even though it wasn't working.
Quote from: The Don on July 15, 2014, 03:05:08 AM
Rossi was spectacular in his day, but it's time to move on and let the younger blokes have a go.
Why exactly should Rossi move aside for them? He's faster than they are.
Should MM step aside for them too? What does age have to do with this? Faster is faster.
JLo should definitely lose his seat before Rossi does to "make room".