As usual I'm fascinated with ze Chineze.
My guess is all of the following are made at the same factory; HANGZHOU HAIJIU...because they all look alike.
"Skyrich Battery"
(http://www.gentlemen-riders.com/8634-thickbox_default/batterie-lithium-skyrich-pour-ducati-1199-panigale.jpg)
Looks just like this Advance Auto Parts brand, "Autocraft"
(http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/wcsstore/CVWEB/staticproductimage//40/large/10570098_auu_lfp4_pri_larg.jpg)
Which looks just like this one by "WPS"
(http://www.easyfairings.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/p/wps_featherweight_lithium_batteries_3__1_1_2.jpg)
Which looks just like this "JMT"
(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/n-d57o0b/05mvygay/products/689/images/2925/c38ae458-2213-4c31-9633-77864c54606a__77012.1410005797.500.750.jpg?c=2)
Check this one out, the reviews are glowing. 270 cca, $100
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71Xl3iMs0AL._SL1500_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00DCXIJJG?pc_redir=1414654268&robot_redir=1#immersive-view_1414805986584 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00DCXIJJG?pc_redir=1414654268&robot_redir=1#immersive-view_1414805986584)
The "Autocraft" version is available in a 320 cca with an extra set of +/- terminals, which might be useful to someone. $150 with a coupon. 260 cca version is $100 with coupon.
http://m.advanceautoparts.com/mt/shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/autocraft-lithium-power-sport-battery-lithium-iron-lfp-6-320-cca-lfp-6/10570096-P (http://m.advanceautoparts.com/mt/shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/autocraft-lithium-power-sport-battery-lithium-iron-lfp-6-320-cca-lfp-6/10570096-P)
I suppose someone is going to snort and scoff about a Chinese battery, but HAIJIU/Skyrich is Ducati's OEM lithium battery supplier...and if I'm right, Haijiu makes all the above batteries.
http://www.skyrichpower.com/?g=en&m=news&a=detail&id=151 (http://www.skyrichpower.com/?g=en&m=news&a=detail&id=151)
http://m.ducati.com/vi/partner.do?task=showPopUp&id=309 (http://m.ducati.com/vi/partner.do?task=showPopUp&id=309)
Seems like they're worth taking a chance on, for a good 50% savings. And the red ones are nice lookin'. :)
Quote from: Rudemouthsky on October 31, 2014, 06:45:24 PM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00DCXIJJG?pc_redir=1414654268&robot_redir=1#immersive-view_1414805986584 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00DCXIJJG?pc_redir=1414654268&robot_redir=1#immersive-view_1414805986584)
I suppose someone is going to snort and scoff about a Chinese battery, but HAIJIU/Skyrich is Ducati's OEM lithium battery supplier...and if I'm right, Haijiu makes all the above batteries.
From what I have in written from the factory, the LiOn battery they're using is coming from "Yuasa" unless this factory is making them for "Yuasa" ???
But, with that announcemt . . . I wonder if we will get them as an "official" accessory for all models . . . Again ???
(http://nfpa.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8351b9f3453ef017c35c333fd970b-320wi)
the green one looks just like the motocell ones i buy locally.
Quote from: brad black on November 01, 2014, 07:56:30 PM
the green one looks just like the motocell ones i buy locally.
Yeah, I saw that Motocell too. Seems like the name changes depending on the market, the JMT ones are in the UK.
They have an Engrish website too
http://www.haijiu.com/english/products.asp (http://www.haijiu.com/english/products.asp)
Maybe I'll order a batch and see if anyone wants them cheap
Quote from: ducatiz on November 02, 2014, 04:21:47 AM
They have an Engrish website too
http://www.haijiu.com/english/products.asp (http://www.haijiu.com/english/products.asp)
Maybe I'll order a batch and see if anyone wants them cheap
Do it! Maybe I'll send an email to some of my people as well
I've been thinking about getting a light lithium battery. The Advance one sounds good.
Quote from: silas on November 02, 2014, 10:00:37 AM
I've been thinking about getting a light lithium battery. The Advance one sounds good.
Be sure to Google the $50/$75 off coupon. That puts the 260 cca at $100 and the 320 cca at $149, second in price only to the MMG and Advance is very good about walk in warranty replacement.
While at the AIM expo I saw that the BatteryTender booth had their brand of LiOn batts also.
BTW, don't know if there is a reliable source to define CCA ratings for LiOn batteries in regard to similar ratings for lead acids. Seems to be a consumer left unaware situation. Might be an apples to oranges situation.
Those nifty capacity indicators on some are probably just crude voltage indicators.
Quote from: xcaptainxbloodx on November 01, 2014, 04:16:16 PM
(http://nfpa.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8351b9f3453ef017c35c333fd970b-320wi)
What's the story to this? Obviously an overcharged LiOn battery overheat and catch fire, burning down the car? Is that your claim? If it is, then more detail would be good (and fair).
I think an overcharging fuse in the battery is important in case the RR doesn't do it's job. That allows the battery to sacrifice itself before becoming molten. I have heard of a LiOn battery turning to molten lava and destroying a bike, but cant verify it. Maybe someone here knows.
Quote from: oldndumb on November 02, 2014, 01:21:34 PM
While at the AIM expo I saw that the BatteryTender booth had their brand of LiOn batts also.
BTW, don't know if there is a reliable source to define CCA ratings for LiOn batteries in regard to similar ratings for lead acids. Seems to be a consumer left unaware situation. Might be an apples to oranges situation.
Those nifty capacity indicators on some are probably just crude voltage indicators.
Pretty sure those are made by Haijiu also...
http://www.surfsidemoto.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/DELBTL14A240CL.jpg (http://www.surfsidemoto.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/DELBTL14A240CL.jpg)
Yep
Quote from: koko64 on November 02, 2014, 03:11:02 PM
What's the story to this? Obviously an overcharged LiOn battery overheat and catch fire, burning down the car? Is that your claim? If it is, then more detail would be good (and fair).
I think an overcharging fuse in the battery is important in case the RR doesn't do it's job. That allows the battery to sacrifice itself before becoming molten. I have heard of a LiOn battery turning to molten lava and destroying a bike, but cant verify it. Maybe someone here knows.
He's not claiming that. [roll]
Chinese brake levers were supposed to kill us all too. :P
Battery management systems and cell balancing are what my next battery will have. I want a suicidal battery rather than one that wants to take everyone with it.
Quote from: thorn14 on November 02, 2014, 07:57:32 PM
Battery management systems and cell balancing are what my next battery will have. I want a suicidal battery rather than one that wants to take everyone with it.
says the guy who likes riding around on a motor with two wheels [evil]
Quote from: Rudemouthsky on November 02, 2014, 07:03:48 PM
He's not claiming that. [roll]
Chinese brake levers were supposed to kill us all too. :P
there is more to electronics than the case they are in,
http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/ (http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/)
I posted that image because
if a lithium battery is going to fail, it will fail catastrophically.
brake levers may feel crap or start cracking at stress points or have poor finish, but its unlikely they will be 100% fine and then snap when you need them. if a lithium battery fails you wont know until things start smoking, and as our batteries are located directly under our (often) plastic gas tanks...
of course thats a worst case scenario. But if it had another issue (housing falls apart, loses charge, terminal falls off, whatever) you also have zero support. I have returned several and various name brand lithium batteries (seems like they just have bad runs sometimes) but never paid, or seen a customer pay to replace it. Its nice to know that if a battery failure burns down your bike you also have a place to send your lawyer
Quote from: ducatiz on November 03, 2014, 06:50:16 AM
says the guy who likes riding around on a motor with two wheels [evil]
True.
Quote from: xcaptainxbloodx on November 04, 2014, 12:31:39 PM
there is more to electronics than the case they are in,
http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/ (http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/)
I posted that image because if a lithium battery is going to fail, it will fail catastrophically.
brake levers may feel crap or start cracking at stress points or have poor finish, but its unlikely they will be 100% fine and then snap when you need them. if a lithium battery fails you wont know until things start smoking, and as our batteries are located directly under our (often) plastic gas tanks...
You seem to be lumping all Lithium batteries into one category. There are many types, and they all do not exhibit the same characteristics. A trip through Googleland with a side excursion to Wikilborough might be interesting. :)
Quote from: xcaptainxbloodx on November 04, 2014, 12:31:39 PM
there is more to electronics than the case they are in,
http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/ (http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/)
I posted that image because if a lithium battery is going to fail, it will fail catastrophically.
brake levers may feel crap or start cracking at stress points or have poor finish, but its unlikely they will be 100% fine and then snap when you need them. if a lithium battery fails you wont know until things start smoking, and as our batteries are located directly under our (often) plastic gas tanks...
of course thats a worst case scenario. But if it had another issue (housing falls apart, loses charge, terminal falls off, whatever) you also have zero support. I have returned several and various name brand lithium batteries (seems like they just have bad runs sometimes) but never paid, or seen a customer pay to replace it. Its nice to know that if a battery failure burns down your bike you also have a place to send your lawyer
I recently replaced a LiOn battery out of a Honda. It was one of the batteries in this thread. It failed by no longer taking charge but that was all. The internals were loose in the casing so maybe vibration broke it. I dropped in a Shorai as a loaner until the guy gets a replacement. It may be still under warranty as it's six months old
if the local importer offers one. I doubt the mfr has a warranty, so I guess the local vendor may have to wear it.
My understanding is that the Shorai have the overcharge fuse. The Shorai has a three year warranty, so I pay extra for that (and the fuse).
Catastrophic failure should be engineered against with a safety feature. I doubt Australia even has a standard for these batteries yet, with the law not keeping up with technology.
Quote from: koko64 on November 04, 2014, 01:14:32 PM
<snip>
Catastrophic failure should be engineered against with a safety feature.
How'd that work out for Boeing? ;D
I hate flying ;)
The thought of not being able to pull over to fix it when something goes wrong. :o
Oh, and I'm not driving. [bang]
The safety fuse to stop a fire from overcharging is crucial. It only takes one dodgy RR.
Quote from: xcaptainxbloodx on November 04, 2014, 12:31:39 PM
there is more to electronics than the case they are in,
http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/ (http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/)
I posted that image because if a lithium battery is going to fail, it will fail catastrophically.
brake levers may feel crap or start cracking at stress points or have poor finish, but its unlikely they will be 100% fine and then snap when you need them. if a lithium battery fails you wont know until things start smoking, and as our batteries are located directly under our (often) plastic gas tanks...
of course thats a worst case scenario. But if it had another issue (housing falls apart, loses charge, terminal falls off, whatever) you also have zero support. I have returned several and various name brand lithium batteries (seems like they just have bad runs sometimes) but never paid, or seen a customer pay to replace it. Its nice to know that if a battery failure burns down your bike you also have a place to send your lawyer
Some good points but as has been pointed out, LF battery failure is def not *necessarily* catastrophic failure, and I'm not really campaigning for Made In China stuff so much as I'm pointing out that it's here, and it's everywhere, and it isn't all bad...and is sometimes awesome.
Skyrich isn't a small player by *any* means...they're big and bright enough for Ducati, AAP and Deltran to partner with...so it's not as if your lawyer (should you need one) is going after some anonymous eBay scumbag holed up in an office in some dirty sweatshop in Zhejiang.
There are still plenty of ethical and practical reasons to avoid Made In China but the; "it's all junk that will kill you or your bike" excuse...that dog won't hunt.
I just bought a Shorai LiFePO4 battery for my bike. I'd rather support them than some Chinese company I've never heard of.
Quote from: SDRider on November 10, 2014, 07:45:16 PM
I just bought a Shorai LiFePO4 battery for my bike. I'd rather support them than some Chinese company I've never heard of.
I've had a Shorai for over a year and a half. No issues whatsoever. Never a problem starting, even after the bike sat untouched for 7 weeks after I had surgery earlier this year...
I like my Shorai LFX181A a lot as well. And they're customer service is A+