Odd FP1 times....except for Melandri
Pos. Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time Gap 1st/Prev.
1 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 302.4 1'34.357
2 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 307.7 1'34.552 0.195 / 0.195
3 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 309.1 1'34.570 0.213 / 0.018
4 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 305.6 1'34.772 0.415 / 0.202
5 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 307.3 1'34.927 0.570 / 0.155
6 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 309.7 1'35.042 0.685 / 0.115
7 25 Maverick VIÃ'ALES SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 302.6 1'35.050 0.693 / 0.008
8 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 299.4 1'35.175 0.818 / 0.125
9 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 315.1 1'35.223 0.866 / 0.048
10 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 304.1 1'35.271 0.914 / 0.048
11 43 Jack MILLER AUS CWM LCR Honda Honda 298.4 1'35.348 0.991 / 0.077
12 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR CWM LCR Honda Honda 305.1 1'35.393 1.036 / 0.045
13 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Ducati Team Ducati 311.5 1'35.400 1.043 / 0.007
14 6 Stefan BRADL GER Athinà Forward Racing Yamaha Forward 303.1 1'35.486 1.129 / 0.086
15 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 303.2 1'35.924 1.567 / 0.438
16 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Aspar MotoGP Team Honda 296.8 1'35.965 1.608 / 0.041
17 45 Scott REDDING GBR EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda 302.5 1'36.158 1.801 / 0.193
18 50 Eugene LAVERTY IRL Aspar MotoGP Team Honda 298.9 1'36.223 1.866 / 0.065
19 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Avintia Racing Ducati 306.9 1'36.233 1.876 / 0.010
20 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 301.5 1'36.250 1.893 / 0.017
21 76 Loris BAZ FRA Athinà Forward Racing Yamaha Forward 298.6 1'36.423 2.066 / 0.173
22 63 Mike DI MEGLIO FRA Avintia Racing Ducati 303.1 1'36.619 2.262 / 0.196
23 15 Alex DE ANGELIS RSM E-Motion IodaRacing Team ART 293.0 1'37.486 3.129 / 0.867
24 33 Marco MELANDRI ITA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 296.0 1'37.933 3.576 / 0.447
Weather Conditions:
| Track Condition: Dry| Air: 17º| Humidity: 72%| Ground: 20º
FP2....
Pos. Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time Gap 1st/Prev.
1 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 310.4 1'33.450
2 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 309.8 1'33.589 0.139 / 0.139
3 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 305.6 1'33.652 0.202 / 0.063
4 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Ducati Team Ducati 315.3 1'33.699 0.249 / 0.047
5 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR CWM LCR Honda Honda 307.7 1'33.734 0.284 / 0.035
6 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 307.5 1'33.741 0.291 / 0.007
7 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 313.3 1'33.844 0.394 / 0.103
8 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 297.5 1'33.857 0.407 / 0.013
9 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 304.0 1'34.133 0.683 / 0.276
10 25 Maverick VIÃ'ALES SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 301.5 1'34.232 0.782 / 0.099
11 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 308.0 1'34.321 0.871 / 0.089
12 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 305.6 1'34.406 0.956 / 0.085
13 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 309.2 1'34.627 1.177 / 0.221
14 45 Scott REDDING GBR EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda 302.3 1'34.643 1.193 / 0.016
15 6 Stefan BRADL GER Athinà Forward Racing Yamaha Forward 303.7 1'34.664 1.214 / 0.021
16 76 Loris BAZ FRA Athinà Forward Racing Yamaha Forward 299.7 1'34.897 1.447 / 0.233
17 50 Eugene LAVERTY IRL Aspar MotoGP Team Honda 300.3 1'35.047 1.597 / 0.150
18 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Aspar MotoGP Team Honda 297.1 1'35.149 1.699 / 0.102
19 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 300.9 1'35.489 2.039 / 0.340
20 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Avintia Racing Ducati 309.4 1'35.538 2.088 / 0.049
21 43 Jack MILLER AUS CWM LCR Honda Honda 300.0 1'35.646 2.196 / 0.108
22 63 Mike DI MEGLIO FRA Avintia Racing Ducati 304.8 1'35.663 2.213 / 0.017
23 15 Alex DE ANGELIS RSM E-Motion IodaRacing Team ART 291.1 1'36.869 3.419 / 1.206
24 33 Marco MELANDRI ITA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 299.8 1'37.225 3.775 / 0.356
Some of us old futs are pulling hard for a Rossi win [Dolph] [thumbsup].
Wasn't there talk of Melandri only being around for another race or two before he's out of MotoGP?
It was mentioned, but he seems to have had an attitude adjustment.
I don't know where he'll go if he loses this ride.
I think Rossi wins this one...it has become critical that he beats JLo, and he is keenly aware of that. The rain will help if it comes.
If it rain, I think JLo crashes.
MM will do well if it rains too...the slower speeds masking the Honda's problems. Otherwise he'll finish off of the podium (if he finishes).
9 riders running in the 1'33's with less than half a sec across the line [popcorn]
Quote from: ducpainter on June 25, 2015, 10:22:41 AM
It was mentioned, but he seems to have had an attitude adjustment.
I don't know where he'll go if he loses this ride.
Was there a rumor that Melandri would go to Yamaha for WSBK in 2016? Back to Aprilia WSBK? Doubt that as they are doing pretty OK with Haslam and the new kid this year.
Could be wrong, but I think this one of Rossi's best/favorite tracks
He finally put in a qualifying worth mentioning
Rossi... make the beast with two backs yeah!!
Pos. Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time Gap 1st/Prev.
1 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 313.0 1'32.627
2 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 300.5 1'32.858 0.231 / 0.231
3 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 314.5 1'32.886 0.259 / 0.028
4 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 314.2 1'32.987 0.360 / 0.101
5 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 311.2 1'33.013 0.386 / 0.026
6 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Ducati Team Ducati 315.8 1'33.016 0.389 / 0.003
7 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR CWM LCR Honda Honda 311.8 1'33.028 0.401 / 0.012
8 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 308.3 1'33.042 0.415 / 0.014
9 25 Maverick VIÃ'ALES SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 304.4 1'33.076 0.449 / 0.034
10 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 317.9 1'33.112 0.485 / 0.036
11 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 308.9 1'33.126 0.499 / 0.014
12 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 311.8 1'33.236 0.609 / 0.110
Go Rossi :D
Assen has seen some epic battles over the years, and the stage is set for another. [thumbsup]
I'm going to predict a dogfight between Rossi & Marquez going into the finish, with Marquez staying atop the bike this time but Vale on the top step. Pedrosa's looking strong and hungry again, and will round out the podium.
It's sad to see the Ducs mired back in the mid-pack again these past two races; I read a bit about their difficulties coming to terms with the rough surface at Catalunya, but I'm not sure what's up this weekend.
I'm pulling for Maverick Viñales cause that's a bad ass name. 8)
Marquez is showing great pace in the 1'33's but with 9 riders separated by less than half a second the stage is surely set for a dog fight.
VR all in [thumbsup]
ROSSI
ROSSI
ROSSI
OI
OI
OI
;D
Again, for the second time this year, MM thought to be the Queen, and believed the racer ahead should just leave the race line to make space for him [thumbsdown]
Luck wanted VR did not crash both times.
Quote from: HotIce on June 27, 2015, 07:06:39 AM
Again, for the second time this year, MM thought to be the Queen, and believed the racer ahead should just leave the race line to make space for him [thumbsdown]
Luck wanted VR did not crash both times.
MM took the inside line, it just so happened that Rossi is Rossi and just rode straight through. And JLo wanted nothing to do with that fight at all.
But, now HRC is cryin' foul play . . . Oh wait, it is all coming back . . . my memory is working, the Corkscrew pass on Stoner . . . he also went through the gravel . . .
Yeah how about the bump on JLo in 2013 that resulted in the infamous finger wave, and knocking teammate Pedrosa's brake sensor off in 2014. They both raced a terrific race at an incredible pace just another desperate move by MM almost wiped out both of them. When VR passed him to retake the lead did anybody catch the moment MM had? I swear I nearly had a heart attack when I saw VR run off the track initially.
Hell of a race. No matter the drama... The series should have every race end up with Rossi and mm going into the final corner together.
They should make a whole series of 1 lap races with just MM and Rossi.
Notice that MM cut the corner as well, not as much as Rossi, but he sure as hell did not leave any other move. He's just playing the game. It's like soccer players and their miraculous recoveries.
Great finish to a close race! Rossi won it fair and square!
After Assen, it seems VR asked for a new special set of tires for the next GP ;D
(http://www.cedarrapidstire.com//images/W/vee-rubber-vrm-394-dirt-track.jpg)
Quote from: SpikeC on June 27, 2015, 12:53:54 PM
Great finish to a close race! Rossi won it fair and square!
+1
"Classical" MM tactics on the last bit - so desperate to get past Rossi that he wasn't even thinking beyond the pass.... trying to stuff himself inside VR's RIGHT side (Rossi had covered the left) at the entry to a chicane that goes LEFT in the middle --- no hope of safely getting thru the chicane without cutting Rossi off or, worse, causing a collision that takes both of them down.
The kid's predatory instincts are over the top...he needs tranquilizers in his water bottle...
What a battle, but I don't get how it's 'legal' to pass off of the racing surface.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2015, 02:26:17 PM
What a battle, but I don't get how it's 'legal' to pass off of the racing surface.
It isn't.
Rossi was leading when Marquez made his move.
Whether Marquez pushed him wide, or whether Rossi realized is only chance to stay in the lead was to make the off track excursion, we'll never really know.
The fact there was contact is enough to let race direction let it go.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 27, 2015, 02:30:44 PM
Whether Marquez pushed him wide, or whether Rossi realized is only chance to stay in the lead was to make the off track excursion, we'll never really know.
He did, and he did. I'm throwing the bullshit flag. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2015, 02:42:09 PM
He did, and he did. I'm throwing the bullshit flag. :D
So you think Rossi went straight on purpose?
Watching the press conference was hysterical. Someone asked Marquez what he would do if he was in Rossi's position.
Marquez answered...'After my experience today I know just what to do.'
Rossi laughed his ass off. ;)
No, not at all. He got ran off, but you still can't pass off the racing surface. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2015, 02:53:21 PM
No, not at all. He got ran off, but you still can't pass off the racing surface. ;)
He didn't pass.
Marquez was never in front.
I guess turn around is fair play. :D
http://youtu.be/5-FD76BwB08 (http://youtu.be/5-FD76BwB08)
Yup...they love it. George wanted no part of it. He was happy to be 5 seconds back.
The champagne celebration was hilarious. Jorge showed a bit of his fun side.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2015, 03:08:14 PM
The champagne celebration was hilarious. Jorge showed a bit of his fun side.
I missed the podium.
I'll have to check it out
Quote from: ducpainter on June 27, 2015, 03:09:48 PM
I missed the podium.
I'll have to check it out
He actually showed some personality. It was funny.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2015, 03:16:54 PM
He actually showed some personality. It was funny.
I won't believe it till I see it.
Now that was a race!
I'd still like to see more action up front.
It was nice to see MM looking like himself.
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on June 27, 2015, 06:06:07 PM
I'd still like to see more action up front.
It was nice to see MM looking like himself.
Doesn't get much better than that for the win. ;)
Quote from: ZILBERT on June 26, 2015, 01:10:26 PM
ROSSI
ROSSI
ROSSI
OI
OI
OI
;D
I'll just leave this right here...
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2015, 02:42:09 PM
He did, and he did. I'm throwing the bullshit flag. :D
?It takes less than 2-3 seconds to ride thru that chicane...Rossi had nowhere else to go with MM jammed up against the right side of his bike at the entry.
Quote from: OT on June 27, 2015, 10:25:28 PM
?It takes less than 2-3 seconds to ride thru that chicane...Rossi had nowhere else to go with MM jammed up against the right side of his bike at the entry.
[thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2015, 06:18:17 PM
Doesn't get much better than that for the win. ;)
Agreed. I just meant more people in contention for the win.
Not the two of them turning laps until the last 3 when MM decides to make a move.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 27, 2015, 02:54:35 PM
He didn't pass.
Marquez was never in front.
Yep. The sky view clearly shows that, while the side view doesn't.
Basically, MM just went straight into that corner. Even w/out VR in front, I doubt he could have completed the turns using a decent line.
IMO, he just aimed at VR ;D
^ totally agree with your analysis
And did Marquez really think he won that race? He was flying his flag for he parade lap as if he won.
Ok, here is proof that MM also cuts corners
(https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11221783_868850853184909_987864951754274096_n.jpg?oh=f95779f57adf1775bfc555a7f0fe5098&oe=5617BED6)
I'm in total agreement that Rossi won the race fair & square, and that Marquez' pass attempt carried a higher chance for disaster than success.
But...
There have been enough motorcycle races won/lost in that last chicane at Assen that Rossi had to know Marquez would be exactly there on his right side going into the first kink - and he even invited it by leaving the door ajar. Even for a racer whose mind works as fast as Vale's, the decision to gun it through the gravel seemed awfully simultaneous to (and maybe even a skosh before) the contact. Is it possible that there was a plan B in Rossi's head going into that final stretch, exactly as it played out? Jared Earle said it better than I can in the Moto Matters wrap up:
Did Rossi play the youngster like a fiddle to guarantee the win? Only Valentino knows, but he did seem survive the impact a little cleanly. Let's call it racecraft and look forward to the next race.
https://motomatters.com/results/2015/06/27/2015_assen_motogp_race_result_assen_deli.html (https://motomatters.com/results/2015/06/27/2015_assen_motogp_race_result_assen_deli.html)
Whether it was astounding riding when things went weird or clever racecraft that went exactly according to plan, my hat's off to Rossi for a well-deserved win that will be part of highlight reels for years to come.
It seems a little bit too elaborated as a plan [roll]
Especially when you play with 100mph speeds.
MM had nowhere to go, with that angle, and that speed, besides hitting VR, who was on his race line (check aerial view at time of accident, and previous laps).
I wonder, does it really need to take someone getting seriously injured, before MM gets penalized for these maneuvers?
I think Rossi did play him like the worlds smallest violin. ;)
Quote from: HotIce on June 28, 2015, 03:03:36 PM
I wonder, does it really need to take someone getting seriously injured, before MM gets penalized for these maneuvers?
Naga...naga...nagonna happen. Ask Nicky what happened when his then teammate took him out when he was fighting for the championship. ;)
Quote from: HotIce on June 28, 2015, 03:03:36 PM
It seems a little bit too elaborated as a plan [roll]
Especially when you play with 100mph speeds.
MM had nowhere to go, with that angle, and that speed, besides hitting VR, who was on his race line (check aerial view at time of accident, and previous laps).
I wonder, does it really need to take someone getting seriously injured, before MM gets penalized for these maneuvers?
It's s scientifically proven fact that MotoGP racers' brains turn to mush and they are unable to think of anything other than bladder control at speeds in excess of 75.6 mph. Strategy? Tactics? It's simply not humanly possible at those speeds. Now it's my turn to [roll]
Seriously. Valentino Rossi didn't just leave the door open on the right going into that corner, he hung a "Welcome y'all, and bring yer friends!" sign on it. If he was the least bit - the tiniest bit - surprised to find Marc Marquez bumping at his elbow right there and right then, Valentino Rossi is an idiot.
Valentino Rossi is not an idiot.
Why are we debating this when the 2 riders have accepted the decision of race direction? Thy made it clear that Rossi was leading and that there was contact warranting the move also considering that MM cut the corner as well. Rossi did not gain a position either and race direction also said that Rossi was on the "traditional" racing line. No one here is a mind reader.
Did anyone see the Moto3 save of the year?
http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/06/27/ajo-s-superstar-save/178889 (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/06/27/ajo-s-superstar-save/178889)
Quote from: duccarlos on June 29, 2015, 06:18:46 AM
Why are we debating this when the 2 riders have accepted the decision of race direction? Thy made it clear that Rossi was leading and that there was contact warranting the move also considering that MM cut the corner as well. Rossi did not gain a position either and race direction also said that Rossi was on the "traditional" racing line. No one here is a mind reader.
Did anyone see the Moto3 save of the year?
http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/06/27/ajo-s-superstar-save/178889 (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/06/27/ajo-s-superstar-save/178889)
'Cuz we're all a bunch of keyboard racers. ;D
I did see that...lucky to not collect the wall there huh? :o
Yeah, great save. Kind of surfing save.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 29, 2015, 06:18:46 AM
Why are we debating this when the 2 riders have accepted the decision of race direction? Thy made it clear that Rossi was leading and that there was contact warranting the move also considering that MM cut the corner as well. Rossi did not gain a position either and race direction also said that Rossi was on the "traditional" racing line. No one here is a mind reader.
Did anyone see the Moto3 save of the year?
http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/06/27/ajo-s-superstar-save/178889 (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/06/27/ajo-s-superstar-save/178889)
Just came here to post that haha... that's a CEII level save there
What a race!! [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
DP is right...MM wasn't ever ahead. The helicopter view shows that Rossi was always about 1/2 a wheel ahead.
That said...I think Rossi knew what he was doing. He didn't mean to go through the gravel, but he knew MM was there on his inside, and he shut the door (hard) on purpose. He didn't necessarily cause the contact, but he didn't avoid it either. He could have left MM a bit of space, but that isn't his style.
I also don't see anything at all wrong with MM's move. You don't win MotoGP races by waiting for perfect passing opportunities. Him and Rossi are more alike than they are different IMO.
Good stuff!! [bow_down]
Quote from: Triple J on June 29, 2015, 10:44:22 AM
I also don't see anything at all wrong with MM's move. You don't win MotoGP races by waiting for perfect passing opportunities. Him and Rossi are more alike than they are different IMO.
This ^^
We got so used to the tiptoeing when trying to pass that we forgot what real racing looks like. MM tried a pass and Rossi reacted to it. Let them race and stop your pregnant dogin.
Motomatters has a great article on it (same article on Asphalt & Rubber).
Interesting to see Rossi becoming less friendly with MM too. Not unsurprising though...he has a legitimate shot at the championship, and MM is a threat to spoil things...1st time those two conditions have aligned. You don't win as many championships as Rossi has by being a nice guy all the time! :)
It's VR and Biaggi all over again
Looks like MM will not be visiting VR's ranch any time soon.
Quote from: triangleforge on June 28, 2015, 06:56:58 PM
Valentino Rossi is not an idiot.
I know!
There are a few square miles around where he born, that only produce geniuses ;D
Quote from: Triple J on June 29, 2015, 11:39:39 AM
Motomatters has a great article on it (same article on Asphalt & Rubber).
Interesting to see Rossi becoming less friendly with MM too. Not unsurprising though...he has a legitimate shot at the championship, and MM is a threat to spoil things...1st time those two conditions have aligned. You don't win as many championships as Rossi has by being a nice guy all the time! :)
Was just about to point everyone to that same article too. Emmet makes another great point where this might be the best way to teach MM to stop bullying into people's lines... by simply using his aggression against him. MM will def think a second or two more before trying that again on Rossi as he's now been burnt twice for being overly aggressive in trying to pass VR. To me, that's the real mind game that VR is pulling on MM... not that that's ever going to stop MM from trying to push his way into the corner anyway.
What I think might be the bigger issue later in the season is how aggressive MM's going to be when he has nothing to lose and VR/JLo have the championship to lose with one off.
Today even Iannone made remarks on MM acting like if he was in a bumper car track [coffee]
Quote from: HotIce on June 29, 2015, 01:56:13 PM
Today even Iannone made remarks on MM acting like if he was in a bumper car track [coffee]
The Maniac shouldn't throw stones in his glass house. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on June 29, 2015, 02:41:53 PM
The Maniac shouldn't throw stones in his glass house. ;D
[laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on June 29, 2015, 02:41:53 PM
The Maniac shouldn't throw stones in his glass house. ;D
That's going to have me laughing for a while! Priceless.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 29, 2015, 02:41:53 PM
The Maniac shouldn't throw stones in his glass house. ;D
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [thumbsup]
Marquez is still very young. He'll learn what he can and can't get away with.
(http://www.fz09.org/forum/attachments/6917d1428682417-amazing-video-rossi-marquez-bhu96q4ceaam9pv.jpg)
I just realized that there are still 10 races left. If the 2014 chassis is indeed the solution to MM's problems and we now have MM ca. 2014 back, then this will be a wild second half of the season. 74 pts in 10 races is not insurmountable for the man that began last season by winning 11 of the first 12 races, although it would require Val and George to have a race or two with a low finish/DNF.
Jorghey and Vale would need to take each other out for that to even be a possibility.
Or MM would need to take out VR in one race and JLo in another while staying on his bike both times.
I see that as more likely than VR and JLo taking each other out.
They call it the Capirossi Plan. ;D
It's possible, but MM would need help.
That said...go back and look at the seasons for JLo and Rossi...it's rare for them (or any racer) to complete a season without a DNF/DNS.
Still a lot of season to go...and could get really interesting. [thumbsup]
It just feels like they both need 2 DNFs for him to manage a comeback.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 30, 2015, 07:04:55 PM
It just feels like they both need 2 DNFs for him to manage a comeback.
Most likely...that or a couple really bad finishes, which isn't likely. Who knows, JLo is always just a breath away from a massive high side. ;D
I love that now the press are turning it into the new Rossi vs whateveryoungbuck rivalry. The funny part is that they will continue asking until the MM and Vale start thinking that it must be true.
Here's what I don't get: even if MM had made it through on the right of the final chicane and there was either no contact or contact was not enough to push VR off the track, how was he going to handle the second half of the chicane? He could not have thought he'd be a full bike length ahead, and so assuming they were nearly neck-and-neck with MM out 1/2 length or less, wouldn't Rossi still be in the better position for the left?
I get that it's the last corner and if you are a true racer-alien, you gotta at least try. But what was the strategy after he theoretically nudged in on the first part of the chicane?
Quote from: 1.21GW on July 01, 2015, 09:08:58 AM
<snip> But what was the strategy after he theoretically nudged in on the first part of the chicane?
Rossi goes in the gravel and either doesn't finish or finishes second. ;)
Quote from: 1.21GW on July 01, 2015, 09:08:58 AM
But what was the strategy after he theoretically nudged in on the first part of the chicane?
My point exactly. That move had nothing for it, besides sending VR off. Dumper car track kind of move.
Even if this was magic videogame, and VR was transparent, MM would have gone VERY long on that turn, and VR would have nailed him with the better race line he was onto.
You're in second place going into the last turn, what do you do? You race.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 01, 2015, 02:34:22 PM
You're in second place going into the last turn, what do you do? You race.
True.
Quote from: HotIce on July 01, 2015, 02:14:11 PM
My point exactly. That move had nothing for it, besides sending VR off. Dumper car track kind of move.
Even if this was magic videogame, and VR was transparent, MM would have gone VERY long on that turn, and VR would have nailed him with the better race line he was onto.
Disagree...completely.
First...if you don't try, then you don't win. There was absolutely zero wrong with the move, and I'd bet a paycheck that Rossi would have tried the EXACT same move if in MM's position.
Second, even though Rossi would have been better set-up for the second half of the chicane, if he would have avoided the collision and let MM in unmolested (and I'm pretty sure MM could have made that turn), he would have been off-line a bit and gotten a terrible drive onto the straight. This could have given MM the chance to out drag race him to the line.
MM is no dummy. He's seen that move before, and had been practicing that line. The problem with the move was that Rossi knew it was coming, and had a plan...because he's Rossi.
Here's another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlBf-PZkmi4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlBf-PZkmi4#)
Rossi did a similar move on Gibber years ago, he put Gibber in the dirt and won the race. He dominated the championship from there. Forget what year it was, someone will remember.
Drive out of that last corner seems to be the key, and it's entirely possible to win from the right side (skip forward to around 4:30 to see the last of the race) - in this one, Bayliss passes on the right side in the third & final right kink of the chicane, rather than the first - possibly because he was too far back going into the combination to even attempt a pass:
SBK 2007 - Assen Race 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55UzyNyVFH8#)
I would agree with Triple J - if Marquez could have gotten a wheel ahead through the first right and held it through the left (a whopping big IF), he would have been in good shape for the final drive out of the chicane.
It's interesting in the video posted a bit earlier that Colin Edwards tried the same move on Hayden as Marquez did on Rossi; Hayden ended up gassing through the gravel like Rossi, but Edwards crashed. Glad it didn't end that way this time around.
Quote from: koko64 on July 01, 2015, 05:31:56 PM
Rossi did a similar move on Gibber years ago, he put Gibber in the dirt and won the race. He dominated the championship from there. Forget what year it was, someone will remember.
Here ya go...corner is a little different, but Rossi pretty much pulling the same move as MM. Rossi is reckless!! ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N42HYwuyOg8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N42HYwuyOg8#)
(how are you guys getting videos to embed?)
If I delete the "s" from the "https," it seems to embed in the post. Give it a shot.
Quote from: triangleforge on July 01, 2015, 06:17:01 PM
Drive out of that last corner seems to be the key, and it's entirely possible to win from the right side (skip forward to around 4:30 to see the last of the race) - in this one, Bayliss passes on the right side in the third & final right kink of the chicane, rather than the first - possibly because he was too far back going into the combination to even attempt a pass:
SBK 2007 - Assen Race 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55UzyNyVFH8#)
I would agree with Triple J - if Marquez could have gotten a wheel ahead through the first right and held it through the left (a whopping big IF), he would have been in good shape for the final drive out of the chicane.
It's interesting in the video posted a bit earlier that Colin Edwards tried the same move on Hayden as Marquez did on Rossi; Hayden ended up gassing through the gravel like Rossi, but Edwards crashed. Glad it didn't end that way this time around.
Wow. Just wow. :o What a finish!!
I see your/JJJ's point---if the outside rider on the first/right turn of the chicane gets moved too far off the race line, he has to turn more on the second/left turn rather than run it straight through.
Quote from: triangleforge on July 01, 2015, 06:27:27 PM
If I delete the "s" from the "https," it seems to embed in the post. Give it a shot.
Sweet! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Triple J on July 01, 2015, 06:21:54 PM
Here ya go...corner is a little different, but Rossi pretty much pulling the same move as MM. Rossi is reckless!! ;)
Reckless, indeed. ;D
In the video, Sete had no idea Rossi was even there - otherwise, he could have stayed on the track if he'd anticipated that inside move, which he didn't, and that is why Rossi always owned him.
Yep he had his measure.^
Rossi knew MM would try there and had a counter move. Hes a good "boxer". Rossi has a counter move for his own moves so he can anticipate MM similar playbook.
Quote from: Triple J on July 01, 2015, 06:21:54 PM
Here ya go...corner is a little different, but Rossi pretty much pulling the same move as MM. Rossi is reckless!! ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N42HYwuyOg8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N42HYwuyOg8#)
(how are you guys getting videos to embed?)
Not reckless,per se, but very calculating & devious. That was great racing, as good as anything we've ever seen. A shame if it was after that incident that Rossi got into Gibernau's head.