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Title: Hackable cars
Post by: 1.21GW on July 21, 2015, 07:07:37 AM
For all of you doomsday preppers, one more thing to worry about in the video below.  Something to consider when you are out shopping for your next car---wifi might not be an option you want.

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/)
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: Oldfisti on July 21, 2015, 07:21:36 AM
The best doomsday vehicle is something old, like pre 1970's. NO electronics. Points ignition or diesel.
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: duccarlos on July 21, 2015, 08:06:03 AM
Buy a manual transmission car.
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: Speedbag on July 21, 2015, 08:23:25 AM
Quote from: Oldfisti on July 21, 2015, 07:21:36 AM
The best doomsday vehicle is something old, like pre 1970's. NO electronics. Points ignition or diesel.

My old Cougar is gonna rock when shit goes down.  8)
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: duccarlos on July 21, 2015, 08:59:32 AM
It would be a lot simpler if they basically did not network the entertainment system with the rest of the car electronics. The essential systems should only be accessible via a physical connection, i.e. via a USB port.
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: Oldfisti on July 21, 2015, 10:41:57 AM
Quote from: Speedbag on July 21, 2015, 08:23:25 AM
My old Cougar is gonna rock when shit goes down. 


It rocks now!    [thumbsup]  8)
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: 1.21GW on July 21, 2015, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: duccarlos on July 21, 2015, 08:06:03 AM
Buy a manual transmission car.

I've read two or three news stories of people breaking into cars and then, after 5 minutes of trying to figure out what the hell the stick shift is and why there are 3 pedals, they give up and leave.
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: duccarlos on July 21, 2015, 11:19:54 AM
Quote from: 1.21GW on July 21, 2015, 11:13:39 AM
I've read two or three news stories of people breaking into cars and then, after 5 minutes of trying to figure out what the hell the stick shift is and why there are 3 pedals, they give up and leave.

It's probably the best theft deterrent.

None of that automatic braking BS either.

My kid will learn how to drive a manual transmission car. It's part of being a man. 
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: 1.21GW on July 21, 2015, 11:35:43 AM
Quote from: duccarlos on July 21, 2015, 11:19:54 AM
It's probably the best theft deterrent.

None of that automatic braking BS either.

My kid will learn how to drive a manual transmission car. It's part of being a man. 

How old is he?  There might no be any manuals left by the time he grows up.
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: Speedbag on July 21, 2015, 12:36:33 PM
Quote from: Oldfisti on July 21, 2015, 10:41:57 AM

It rocks now!    [thumbsup]  8)


;D
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: ducpainter on July 21, 2015, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: 1.21GW on July 21, 2015, 11:35:43 AM
How old is he?  There might no be any manuals left by the time he grows up.
He can learn on my tractor.

It'll still run. ;)
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: duccarlos on July 22, 2015, 06:24:26 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on July 21, 2015, 12:38:59 PM
He can learn on my tractor.

It'll still run. ;)

He's turning 14. He'll inherit my current car eventually. 
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: MendoDave on July 24, 2015, 03:31:09 PM
A manly car with a 5 or 6 speed manual.

(http://zombdrive.com/images/mazda-miata-324.jpg)
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: ducpainter on July 26, 2015, 11:14:45 AM
http://www.wired.com/2015/07/jeep-hack-chrysler-recalls-1-4m-vehicles-bug-fix/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/07/jeep-hack-chrysler-recalls-1-4m-vehicles-bug-fix/)
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: geoffduc on July 26, 2015, 10:37:40 PM
There's plenty of stick shifts over this side of the pond... [thumbsup]

Although I have to admit my latest van came as standard with an auto tranny which is a first for me... [bang]

Geoff... [coffee]
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: caperix on July 27, 2015, 05:52:02 AM
As a hardcore manual transmission fan, I will admit the newest dual clutch transmissions are starting to win me over.  If you have not had a chance to drive one, I would give it a try. They shift very fast and smooth.  I work at a BMW dealer as a tech, so I have had a chance to see how they are holding up.  Other then a few leaks they have been very trouble free.  Something that can not be said about the SMG gearboxes.  They are still electronic & still have alot more that can go wrong then a 3 pedal setup, but I see them as a good alternative to a slush box auto.
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: ducpainter on July 27, 2015, 05:58:10 AM
Quote from: caperix on July 27, 2015, 05:52:02 AM
As a hardcore manual transmission fan, I will admit the newest dual clutch transmissions are starting to win me over.  If you have not had a chance to drive one, I would give it a try. They shift very fast and smooth.  I work at a BMW dealer as a tech, so I have had a chance to see how they are holding up.  Other then a few leaks they have been very trouble free.  Something that can not be said about the SMG gearboxes.  They are still electronic & still have alot more that can go wrong then a 3 pedal setup, but I see them as a good alternative to a slush box auto.
Maybe the one in the BMW is good.

The one in the Ford products of the '13-'14 era really sucked. I owned one. [puke]
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: caperix on July 27, 2015, 06:31:04 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on July 27, 2015, 05:58:10 AM
Maybe the one in the BMW is good.

The one in the Ford products of the '13-'14 era really sucked. I owned one. [puke]

Interesting, they are both manufactured by Getrag, so I would have expected similar performance. Was it shift quality or reliability or both?
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: MendoDave on July 27, 2015, 06:39:22 AM
I have one in a Mercedes and I had one in a chrysler 300. Both of them work just fine. Slush box they are not.

I would say they offer the best of both worlds. If you have ever driven the streets of San Fran or Seattle, a manual is less desireable, and of course Stop & go traffic on the freeway.
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: ducpainter on July 27, 2015, 07:17:38 AM
Quote from: caperix on July 27, 2015, 06:31:04 AM
Interesting, they are both manufactured by Getrag, so I would have expected similar performance. Was it shift quality or reliability or both?
Shift quality...I guess I'd call it. Sometimes it wouldn't, and it would shudder and rattle like it was stuck between gears. If you left a stop sign you were taking your life in your hands. It was like driving a 70's vintage car with the very first emission controls...it would fall flat on it's face. The car was in the shop several times for software updates and a new clutch. It only lasted a few thousand miles before it started happening all over again.

I doubt it was the transmission itself. Most likely the controls/software were reverse engineered to meet a price. Rarely works out.

Title: Re:
Post by: Raux on July 27, 2015, 07:28:04 AM
And as we know software is everything ask the motogp guys
Title: Re: Hackable cars
Post by: the_Journeyman on July 28, 2015, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: 1.21GW on July 21, 2015, 11:13:39 AM
I've read two or three news stories of people breaking into cars and then, after 5 minutes of trying to figure out what the hell the stick shift is and why there are 3 pedals, they give up and leave.

Mine has a manual AND a choke.  Super security. 

I learned what to do with shifters on a '67 John Deere. 

JM