FP1
MM sets the standard, then
JL
VR
Crazy Andrew
Sedate Andrew
FP2
Pos. Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time Gap 1st/Prev.
1 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 316.9 2'02.338
2 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 320.6 2'02.371 0.033 / 0.033
3 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 319.6 2'02.531 0.193 / 0.160
4 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 323.4 2'02.573 0.235 / 0.042
5 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 325.3 2'02.761 0.423 / 0.188
6 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 310.7 2'02.872 0.534 / 0.111
7 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 320.5 2'02.972 0.634 / 0.100
8 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Ducati Team Ducati 324.6 2'03.219 0.881 / 0.247
9 45 Scott REDDING GBR EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda 319.1 2'03.284 0.946 / 0.065
10 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 316.4 2'03.327 0.989 / 0.043
11 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 320.3 2'03.339 1.001 / 0.012
12 25 Maverick VIÃ'ALES SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 315.1 2'03.391 1.053 / 0.052
13 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Avintia Racing Ducati 319.4 2'03.618 1.280 / 0.227
14 43 Jack MILLER AUS LCR Honda Honda 313.1 2'03.656 1.318 / 0.038
15 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda Honda 320.9 2'03.748 1.410 / 0.092
16 50 Eugene LAVERTY IRL Aspar MotoGP Team Honda 309.7 2'03.877 1.539 / 0.129
17 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 320.5 2'03.878 1.540 / 0.001
18 76 Loris BAZ FRA Forward Racing Yamaha Forward 308.2 2'03.977 1.639 / 0.099
19 63 Mike DI MEGLIO FRA Avintia Racing Ducati 316.8 2'04.216 1.878 / 0.239
20 6 Stefan BRADL GER Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 315.6 2'04.416 2.078 / 0.200
21 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 313.9 2'04.885 2.547 / 0.469
22 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Aspar MotoGP Team Honda 310.9 2'05.295 2.957 / 0.410
23 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE AB Motoracing Honda 309.6 2'05.396 3.058 / 0.101
24 15 Alex DE ANGELIS RSM E-Motion IodaRacing Team ART 305.9 2'05.820 3.482 / 0.424
25 71 Claudio CORTI ITA Forward Racing Yamaha Forward 313.5 2'06.275 3.937 / 0.455
It's the Jorghey/MM show. Bad news for Lorenzo, it looks like today will be the best weather day. Lorenzo historically does not do well in adverse conditions. MM generally does not care and Vale knows his way around on wets. Tomorrow's qualifying will be very interesting indeed.
I hope you're right with the bad weather, definitely need somethinge to rattle JLo
I'd give MM a marginal lead after FP2.
He did 3 laps under 2:02.5, while Jlo only did the one.
He did 12 hot laps to JLo's 8, so that skews it a bit.
But it's not much, further setup tweaks could erase more than that.
And the weather could throw a spanner in it.
I'll not be convinced that JLo has conquered his aquaphobia until he podiums a wet race.
This will not be a good weekend for for J-lo. Just the mention of rain is enough to get him startled.
This may be either another MM and Val battle weekend and/or the ducks might place higher than 5th.
What's the sitiuation with Iannone's shoulder?
Iannone jacked his shoulder up in testing mid-May, and has apparently been dealing with it since.
He's mentioned having surgery in the off-season.
Which race was it where both pedro and MM dumped it in the rain? It was pandemonium in the pits with the whole switching bikes from dry to wet. I don't remember the results but both Hondas were off the podium
Crazy Andrew is tough, he'll be right. ;)
In two minds about a wet race, with rain potentially distorting race results, but also quite exciting as anything can happen. Not sure if the Honda is a good wet bike, any thoughts?
I think a wet race favors Rossi, or one of the Brits might sneak up there.
Jorge hasn't been right in the rain since he crashed hard in the wet at Assen? a couple of years ago. Marquez doesn't care.He has nothing to lose.
Quote from: m9hundo on August 28, 2015, 10:11:59 PM
Which race was it where both pedro and MM dumped it in the rain? It was pandemonium in the pits with the whole switching bikes from dry to wet. I don't remember the results but both Hondas were off the podium
Aragon
Need mm pedrosa and ianonne to podium and 2 brits to clinch 4 and 5 to thow the championsip into a tailspin.
Wet race throws things all crazy. Marquez hopes are gone.
OMG what a race, Rossi does another one of his Jedi mind tricks on MM and JLo gets discouraged as soon as a bike gets in front of him. What a shame for Crutchlow, his teammate totally at fault, came in extremely hot don't know where he was thinking he'd end up.
+12 Rossi [thumbsup]
That was a great race.
It's a shame Miller took out Crusty. I think he would have had a good race.
Nice to see two Ducatis on the podium.
Wonder how that miller/crutchlow conversation is going to go.
Wet racing, it's another sport ;D
Go VR46!! [evil]
That was a bittersweet race. I was hoping Petrucci would catch Rossi at one point, but then realized that Pol didn't do his job taking out Jorghey. Wet t-shirt contest on the podium!!
This just shows how Jorghey really does need to have everything go perfect for him to win. First thing he did when entering his garage was to point at his visor.
The commentators hit the head on the nail when they mentioned that the shit will hit the fan when HRC sees that Ducati passed them on the manufacturers points. It's hard to fault MM or the Turd for the results, but I wouldn't put it passed them to jump down both the throats, one for being too aggressive and the other for not being aggressive enough.
Second time jorge has problem with helmet? What does he use?
This, if I am not mistaken ;D
(http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v1/1405071889_1/.jpg)
Quote from: Raux on August 30, 2015, 10:40:41 AM
Second time jorge has problem with helmet? What does he use?
This time it was his visor. In Qatar it was a cheek pad coming loose.
His inside top ofbthe helmet fell i believe. Helmet manufacturer will need to step up.
Seriously though what does he use. Would turn me off of them. I mean u get one shot to prove u supply the best and u fail twice. If i were him I'd switch next season just to remove that factor for not winning.
Quote from: Raux on August 30, 2015, 11:14:06 AM
Seriously though what does he use. Would turn me off of them. I mean u get one shot to prove u supply the best and u fail twice. If i were him I'd switch next season just to remove that factor for not winning.
He uses an HJC...simply not the best. Didn't Spies have a helmet issue with HJC too?
Probably got the best sponsorship deal...or Arai and AGV told him to get lost.
The incident in Qatar was a technicians fault. This time you could see his visor was fogged up as he walked into the box.
Quote from: Raux on August 30, 2015, 08:00:55 AM
Wonder how that miller/crutchlow conversation is going to go.
Saw an interview with Cal. He's disappointed, but said that Jack apologized and he accepted adding that he'd done it before himself and would probably do it again if he thought he could gain a spot.
What a race by Petrucci. [clap]
Great race... last 6 laps got cut off from my dvr which sucked but at least the standings didnt change from when I lost the feed.
I wonder if JLo will drop HJC like Crutchlow dropped Spidi after all those times his leathers tore up. Not sure what kind of antifog they use though... if it's anything like a pinlock it might have been another technician issue not installing it correctly.
And I think JLo got lucky Miller took out Cal. If they managed to keep up their pace he would have lost even more points to Rossi.
Miller came from way back and race direction was going to look at it. Anyone know if he got pinged for it? His boss is gonna smack him one. Crusty must be feeling very at peace with himself.
That was an exciting, high pressure race.
Miller earned a penalty point.
Im not surprised. With a bit patience he and Crusty could have been fighting for the podium. That was a tough enough move in the dry.
Petrucci was the story of the race...what a ride!! [thumbsup]
Great ride by Vale. He set a pretty punishing pace given the conditions.
MM knows that he can't come in 2nd to him and have a chance at the championship, so he's doing whatever he can to stay close. It's bit him a couple times now this season.
JLo needs to dump HJC and go back to X-Lite. Or something. Fogging in a GP race?? They should have that crap figured out!
Rossi is virtually unbeatable in the rain, and untouchable in a hurricane.
From MotoMatters re FogGate
" Lorenzo has had two issues this year which have cost him points, as well as previous problems with fogging. Some of that is down to Lorenzo himself, as at Silverstone, Lorenzo did not fit the breath deflector, which is part of the solution to keeping the visor from fogging."
Duh....
That was a weird fall from MM especially where it happened. He looked dumbfounded as to what happened. The front kicked out weird and off he went
Quote from: Triple J on August 31, 2015, 08:30:24 AM
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MM knows that he can't come in 2nd to him and have a chance at the championship, so he's doing whatever he can to stay close. It's bit him a couple times now this season.
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He really should take a lesson from Val about patience. The only thing worse than crashing out of a race is repeatedly crashing out. Not only do you get a big fat goose egg for pts, but you risk injury. Rossi has missed how many races in his career? It has to be a low % compared to JLo and the other top riders. I think Ewan MacGregor made some comment on this fact as narrator of FASTEST, where he was talking about how JLo started his MotoGP career with a bang and then went on a crash fest that ruined his title chances, noting that Rossi only crashed out of one race that season.
Ok, so I looked this up. I went to wikipedia pages of top riders and looked at how many MotoGP races (including 500cc for Rossi, the only one old enough to have ridden then), how many "retired" (cause not given, could be crash or mechanical, and even if a crash could be someone else's fault, like Miller/Crutchlow this weekend), and how many "did not start" (again, no reason given but the assumption would be 99% of the time, medical). Here we go (total means total races not completed for whatever reason):
Rossi
Races: 268
Ret: 21 (7.8%)
DNS: 4 (1.5%)
Total: 25 (9.3%)
JLo
Races: 136
Ret: 13 (9.6%)
DNS: 4 (2.9%)
Total: 17 (12.5%)
Pedro
Races: 154
Ret: 15 (9.7%)
DNS: 11 (7.1%)
Total: 26 (16.9%)
Stoner
Races: 123
Ret: 15 (12.2%)
DNS: 8 (6.5%)
Total: 23 (18.7%)
Cal
Starts: 83
Ret: 25 (30.1%)
DNS: 2 (2.4%)
Total: 27 (32.5%)
Goes to show that you gotta be in it to win it. Rossi is the lowest of the bunch with only 9.3% of races where he is getting no points. I threw in Cal just to compare to a good rider that can't seem to break through, which appears obvious now that I see he is not finishing a third of his races! Dani doesn't have a crashing problem, but geez his misses a lot of races.
Anyway, lots of assumptions in this data, so not perfect. But I think MM could benefit from some wisdom on staying in the game by keeping the rubber side down.
MM
Races: 48
Ret: 6 (12.5%)
DNS: 0 (0%)
DQ 1 (2.1%)
Total: 7 (14.6%)
Geeking out a bit further, although a bit odd to calculate mid-season, so I did for end of 2015 too:
WC's Races per WC now Races per WC end 2015
Rossi 7 38.3 39.1/34.3
JLo 2 68 71.0/47.3
Pedro 0 - -
Stoner 2 61.5 -
Cal 0 - -
MM 2 24 27.0
Quote from: Speeddog on August 31, 2015, 03:38:28 PM
MM
Races: 48
Ret: 6 (12.5%)
DNS: 0 (0%)
DQ 1 (2.1%)
Total: 7 (14.6%)
Geeking out a bit further, although a bit odd to calculate mid-season, so I did for end of 2015 too:
WC's Races per WC now Races per WC end 2015
Rossi 7 38.3 39.1/34.3
JLo 2 68 71.0/47.3
Pedro 0 - -
Stoner 2 61.5 -
Cal 0 - -
MM 2 24 27.0
Smoke and Mirrors... ;D
Quote from: 1.21GW on August 31, 2015, 02:03:48 PM
He really should take a lesson from Val about patience. The only thing worse than crashing out of a race is repeatedly crashing out.
IMO, patience is pointless at this point in the season. He could come in second to Rossi for every race, and not win the championship. Patience would have helped him earlier in the season though. He won the championship his 1st 2 seasons though...given that record, I can see how he finds (or found earlier in the season) it hard to just sit back and take what he can get.
The real issue though is the bike. It just isn't 100% with MM. He wasn't doing anything special this past weekend...just trying to stay close enough to Rossi to make it a race. The guys that win races are always right on the edge...and the Honda this year has a razor fine one.
Those stats are interesting, but there's a lot more to it. It's not just crashing, it's also being lucky enough to avoid injuries when you do crash. Something Rossi has been very good at (as has MM). Pedro has the worst luck in that regard. Stoner was on the Ducati that had a habit of the front just letting go for no reason.
...and Cal shouldn't even be mentioned with those other riders. ;)
Marquez probably incapable of being patient for more than a few minutes; his 'style' is reflexive/reactive/aggressive. When the heat/battle is on (as opposed to following another rider around the track for many laps before passing), he can't resist the temptation, his 'switches' are thrown and he's off to the races.
That's not really true. He's followed people for quite a few races, passing them in the later laps.
Any follow up on why he crashed? He looked bewildered himself and the stuff I saw on motogp.com didn't really give any insight. Watching on-board with sound on it sounded like he hadn't come on the throttle yet when he lost it (i.e. still a decelerating noise), which is confusing because from the location of it I assumed he had gone heavy on the throttle as he exited the turn and the rear lost contact.
He most likely crashed due to the engine braking locking the wheel long enough to cause a problem he couldn't ride through. It's been the bike's problem all year. Just look at how the bike reacts when he backs it in to a corner this season, compared to last.
I imagine he was surprised because he didn't feel he did anything different that lap than previous laps, but it doesn't take much in the rain.
Quote from: Triple J on September 02, 2015, 09:51:36 AM
I imagine he was surprised because he didn't feel he did anything different that lap than previous laps, but it doesn't take much in the rain.
The Honda this year is more similar to the GP13 and lower than the Honda from last year. It seems like it's on the knife's edge.