I am riding a Zx6r on the track but I feel that I might have more fun on my M796 as it fits me better.
I know some guys use the Monster for track days.
What are the pluses and minuses.
Thanks for the feedback.
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You will need to deal with ground clearance and ergo issues and it better be a tight track. I have done it once, you don't want to wad a beautiful streetbike, just my opinion. I track a Gixxer so I'm biased.
Stopintime is the king of Monster track riding, he'll chime in and have good advice.
Hi ;D
I love my Monster and it's all I've got, so I use it for track days and racing too.
Skills and adaptability can compensate for more than most are willing to try, but compared to a well sorted superbike it's no match.
Depends on what you expect and how much your riding demands of a bike. If you're intermediate or in the slower expert level - the 796 is fine. You'll know soon enough if it's ok or if you need mods and/or another bike.
If you're able to keep the Kawa for a while - do so, and try the Monster a couple of times. If you have fun on it - fine. If not - return to the Kawa or ask again and we'll start improving the Monster.
[Dolph]
My next track day is the 7th. I think I will take both bikes and see which is more fun. I am new to this so still have a lot to learn
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I've had neither a M796 or a ZX on a track, so no FHE here.
I've had my S4 on the Streets of Willow for two track days, lots of fun for sure.
I'd think a big fast track you'd spend a lot of time trying to not get peeled off the back due to the wind.
That is an issue. The track is go to
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The ZX6 is built to run at the track. The Monster, not so much. That being said, I only have an S4 and with a lot of $$ I have made it track ready. If I had to choose, I'd take the Ninja. It's cheaper to fix too if you fall down.
Either way, you're going to the track which is always a good thing. ENJOY!
I am 6 feet 2 with bad knees. I am having a hard time moving into the right position to hang off on the Zx6r. On the Monster it is much easier to get the body into the right position.
The track I go to we hit about 140 at the end of the main straight. The rest of the course is mostly between 40 to 90. I might have wind issues on the straight away.
Maybe a bigger fairing up front will help with that.
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Quote from: Dochunt on April 25, 2016, 06:35:56 AM
I am 6 feet 2 with bad knees.
I'm 6'2" with a bad back, riding an M796... ;D
I'll be curious to see how you like tracking the Monster, I'm considering doing it myself... not to be competitive, just to learn to ride better.
Quote from: Charlie98 on April 25, 2016, 07:01:27 AM
I'm 6'2" with a bad back, riding an M796... ;D
I'll be curious to see how you like tracking the Monster, I'm considering doing it myself... not to be competitive, just to learn to ride better.
I am not competing with anyone else but myself. I will put up a report after the first time I track the Monster.
I have seen a few other guys at the track on Monsters, I will get their input as well.
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8) [Dolph]
Nice. Thanks for sharing. Do you miss the lack of top end on the Monster
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Quote from: Dochunt on April 25, 2016, 10:47:00 AM
Nice. Thanks for sharing. Do you miss the lack of top end on the Monster
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Yes, but then again I've had to learn more about late braking, high corner speed, early exit and tactics [evil]
A set of clipons go a long way to improve the top end ergos! And cornering dynamics!
Quote from: SpikeC on April 25, 2016, 11:00:36 AM
A set of clipons go a long way to improve the top end ergos! And cornering dynamics!
I might do that depending on how it feels the first time on the track.
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I felt more comfortable on my Monster than the track bike simply because I had a ton more riding time on the Monster. When the wife finally gives the thumbs up to a "new" bike, I think I'll stick to riding the same bike on both street and track.
Quote from: duccarlos on April 27, 2016, 08:06:33 AM
I felt more comfortable on my Monster than the track bike simply because I had a ton more riding time on the Monster. When the wife finally gives the thumbs up to a "new" bike, I think I'll stick to riding the same bike on both street and track.
I agree. I think the only issue I will have is ground clearance on the Monster but if I can hang off more then I won't have to lean the bike more.
The monster should be a fine trackbike. it is a newer generation that is more supersport than old school monster so some of the older monsters limitations are not a problem. Ground clearance should be fine once you fix the suspension.... you did fix the suspension right????
Not to worry just ride the bike and enjoy it, if you like it then the first stop will be tires followed by suspension mods. After you get the suspension set then work on making the bike more crash proof, clip ons and guards. I am not a fan of frame sliders but you need something to make the bike less damage prone in small crashes.
I built an old school monster trackbike and had a blast riding it, crashed it twice hard and both times the bike fared better than myself. If the bike becomes a dedicated trackbike then think about hanging a full fairing on it if you want. I do not bother on my bikes as I generally run my 750ss now with no fairings at the speeds it reaches there is little issue without one.
Ground clearance? What are you even remotely going to drag on a Monster?
On my 1100 EVO I would have to leave elbows on the track before I drag any bike part.
I've used my M900 at the track. I get passed on the straightaways but in the corners I have as much fun as the next guy. I've only done three full tracks days on it, but it's always been fun and I've never wanted a faster or more sporty bike. Plenty to work on with my monster technique. I prefer trying to get better/faster on a bike with modest performance rather than trying to learn to tame a rocket. Just my preference.
Plus, as it's my street bike, in the end I'm becoming more intimate with the extreme performance ends of my daily rider.
Quote from: HotIce on May 13, 2016, 08:07:05 AM
Ground clearance? What are you even remotely going to drag on a Monster?
On my 1100 EVO I would have to leave elbows on the track before I drag any bike part.
Evidently you never rode a first gen Monster on the track.
I started off with a 2006 S2R-1000 and it was a great bike both on the street and the track. I ended up replacing it with a ZX6R for track use and it was miles better than the S2R. One of the main reasons I quit using the S2R on the track was because I was worried about dropping it and the high cost of repairs. The Jap bikes are much cheaper to fix if you end up dropping one.
I then swapped the S2R-1000 for a 2012 Evo and it's a nice bike for the street but the one time I took it to the track I hated it and never took it back.
My track bikes are now a 2009 GSXR-750 and a Kawasaki 300, as the ZX6R ended up with a bad transmission which was common to the 05-06 models.
Just my experience though.
At the Island in 1996, I chamfered the foot pegs, gear lever, brake pedal and both mufflers on my '95 M900 from a dragging on the tarmac due to a lack of ground clearance. [evil]
I track a Gixxer 750.
Sorry but I gotta laugh when I read of Ducati's being expensive to track and the next thing you hear is that the jap bike broke....... but it was a known issue.
Any bike can be expensive to fix if you fall, IF you want to make it 100% perfect again. It should correctly be, buy a track bike because you will not fix it cosmetically 100% and that is cheaper than making it perfect again.
I see plenty of bikes crashed and the Japanese do not do any better in a crash than the Italians or anyone else. yes there are good and bad models but there is no perfect country of origin. If your track budget is low then start with a bike that has lots of cheap parts or you can easily fix yourself. Twins usually do not crack open on the ends and dump fluids so they are starting off ahead of many inline motors. Singles are great and motards are almost built to crash.
bottom line they all can break so figure out what you like and make it as crashable as you can. avoid former race bikes unless you know who owned it and how it was cared for. Many race bikes are worn out by the time they are sold, this is often why they were sold in the first place.
My Ducati's are expensive.
Any bike can blow up or get wadded at the track. I agree with choosing a sport bike that has plenty of spares at the wrecking yards.
I never liked riding any of my street bikes at the track with that nagging doubt in the back of your mind. Trashing cheap fibreglass is cheaper than oem road gear. I remember a Bimota and a 916 (SP?) got totaled that day at the Island. Some insurance companies don't touch track bikes so check on that.
QuoteMy Ducati's are expensive.
Anything that gets used hard is expensive unless you are planing on disposing of it, this is the same in track bikes and things you chase around the bedroom.
I feel an invoice coming on..................
Quote from: clubhousemotorsports on May 13, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
Anything that gets used hard is expensive, this is the same in track bikes and things you chase around the bedroom.
:D
Quote from: ducpainter on May 13, 2016, 12:43:01 PM
Evidently you never rode a first gen Monster on the track.
Neither I did my 1100 EVO ;D
Quote from: clubhousemotorsports on May 13, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
Anything that gets used hard is expensive unless you are planing on disposing of it, this is the same in track bikes and things you chase around the bedroom.
I feel an invoice coming on..................
Everything is expensive...you're lucky if you get what you pay for.
I'm not too worried about the second part...I'm going to ignore the paid on account money and make believe the balance is the bill. That makes it cheaper...right? ;D
On another note...the Monster needs a battery...been plugged in for days and the red light won't go out and it won't crank. [bang] [laugh]
Quote from: HotIce on May 13, 2016, 04:54:46 PM
Neither I did my 1100 EVO ;D
Well...you'll never have a problem if you don't ride it. :-*
For the monster battery I would rob the 748 it is easy enough to swap them and you are not using both at the same time...... just sayin.
If not I may have a shop battery to get you by. I would sell you another but the computer has no more room for numbers that big.
Quote from: clubhousemotorsports on May 13, 2016, 05:59:53 PM
For the monster battery I would rob the 748 it is easy enough to swap them and you are not using both at the same time...... just sayin.
If not I may have a shop battery to get you by. I would sell you another but the computer has no more room for numbers that big.
Yup...until I put the fairings back on.
Flooded lead acid batteries are cheap. :-*