Let me start this by saying, I make the beast with two backsing hate zoos. (HATE THEM) So this 4yr old climbs through the bars (good job mom) and falls into the Gorilla pen. He drags him around a little, actually looks like he's trying to fix his shorts at one point, and is most likely trying to protect him from all the 'screaming' people. You can hear his mother saying, "It's ok baby, mommies here" [bang] So, they shoot and kill the Gorilla.
https://youtu.be/UBeVfQtSD2k
Shhit the mom!!!
:'(
same shit as in Chile . . guy believes lions wont hurt him and geta mauled and lions got killed
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on May 29, 2016, 08:43:32 PM
same shit as in Chile . . guy believes lions wont hurt him and geta mauled and lions got killed
Should have been a free pass for the lion. [thumbsup]
"Video has been removed by the user"
Meanwhile, in Australia...
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/30/asia/australia-croc-attack/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/30/asia/australia-croc-attack/)
Quote from: ungeheuer on May 30, 2016, 04:55:24 AM
Meanwhile, in Australia...
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/30/asia/australia-croc-attack/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/30/asia/australia-croc-attack/)
Who says you can't fix stupid
jack hanna says shooting the gorilla was the right thing to do. /shrug
i hesitant to condemn a parent based on one incident I know 300 words about, based on how many times I've lost one of my own kids.
read a great quote on situations like this today: "We trade empathy for torches and pitchforks because those tools are easier to carry."
Quote from: Ddan on May 30, 2016, 08:53:58 AM
Who says you can't fix stupid
but, you can diagnose it !!!
Quote from: Privateer on May 30, 2016, 05:14:24 PM
jack hanna says shooting the gorilla was the right thing to do. /shrug
i hesitant to condemn a parent based on one incident I know 300 words about, based on how many times I've lost one of my own kids.
read a great quote on situations like this today: "We trade empathy for torches and pitchforks because those tools are easier to carry."
I tend to agree with you...about the condemning thing. There are a bunch of people on this forum that saw me chase my kid down the double yellow line with a pickup truck running interference...can happen in seconds. I'm not a bad person, but if my kid had been hit by a car you'd all have judged me...and you'd be right because I would have failed my child. My kid didn't get hurt and neither did that kid. For that I'm grateful.
I also think that the fact the gorilla needed to die sucks.
Amazing how quickly kids and turtles can disappear.
A cut and paste from elsewhere on the net regarding the topic:
"I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.
Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.
Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.
I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.
I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes. Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.
Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.
I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but their should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.
I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around."
Can you post a link to the original please?
DMCA stuff and all... ;)
Um, nope, cuz mine was a cut and paste of a cut and paste.... :P
Quote from: Speedbag on May 31, 2016, 08:53:14 AM
Um, nope, cuz mine was a cut and paste of a cut and paste.... :P
I'll forward the summons to you... ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on May 31, 2016, 08:24:14 AM
Can you post a link to the original please?
DMCA stuff and all... ;)
apparently:
http://www.facebook.com/amanda.odonoughue/posts/1203379586363094 (http://www.facebook.com/amanda.odonoughue/posts/1203379586363094)
Thanks
I'm just glad whoever had to make the shot....made the shot.
Bean counters for the zoo will be reviewing the enclosure security as we speak. Should be naughty kid proof.
As far as I know, the zoo was in accordance with AZA standards-that is a pretty serious thing to do. I think the spec for large animals like that is no space more than 2" in the entire exhibit.
I'm very curious how the kid got in there.
When it happened a few years ago at this zoo, there wasn't much to keep a kid out.
https://youtu.be/SLDf01oYSHI
Talking about bad parenting... a few years ago I was visiting my family in Orlando. IIRC we were coming back from a park and my daughter fell asleep on our way back. Once we parked, we opened the door for her to jump out and focused on getting the toddler out of his car seat. My daughter decided to sleep walk to someone else's apartment a few buildings down. It took less than a minute for her to walk away. We were lucky that my sister's totally confused neighbor heard us screaming her name. She apparently knocked on their door to be let in.
Sad the gorilla had to die. Very glad the kid is safe.
I DON'T blame the mother. Heck, kids are not robots and are indeed curious. The reason we take them to the zoo is to SEE the animals! The kid, wanted a closer look, the barriers weren't kid proof and he got/fell in.
I feel for the zoo too. With our selfie obsessed culture, how dare zoos erect barriers that will obstruct any view we want?
Quote from: GK on June 01, 2016, 01:12:13 PM
Sad the gorilla had to die. Very glad the kid is safe.
I DON'T blame the mother. Heck, kids are not robots and are indeed curious. The reason we take them to the zoo is to SEE the animals! The kid, wanted a closer look, the barriers weren't kid proof and he got/fell in.
I feel for the zoo too. With our selfie (and self) obsessed culture, how dare zoos erect barriers that will obstruct any view we want (while still insuring our safety)?
Agreed. I'm sure there will be some kind of class action lawsuit. Anyone who was there is certainly due some psychological damage money. Hell, anyone who saw the video should be good for it!
:P
Where do we sign up? Lol!
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https://youtu.be/Vh28KgXajEY
Mother did nothing wrong Kopf. It's easy for a child to climb a barrier quickly. You can't watch any kid 100% of the time. Many here have already attested to that.
Gorilla could have crushed that child in an instant.
Were the barriers enough? Don't know.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 05, 2016, 07:47:13 PM
https://youtu.be/Vh28KgXajEY
A versatile vid that. [clap]
Quote from: koko64 on June 09, 2016, 02:44:34 AM
A versatile vid that. [clap]
Perhaps we need one regarding the friendly fire of the Ducati MotoGP riders this season! Lol!
That Iannone, I told Benito not to hire him!
Quote from: koko64 on June 09, 2016, 06:15:49 AM
That Iannone, I told Benito not to hire him!
Iannone, Iannone, the war effort was resting on him. How could he betray me, his brothers, his country?