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Title: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on April 21, 2017, 09:17:43 AM
FP 1

1.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   2m   04.923s   [Lap 10/17]   331km/h (Top Speed)
2.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   2m   05.500s   +0.577s   [15/19]   332km/h
3.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   2m   05.604s   +0.681s   [13/15]   333km/h
4.   Johann Zarco   FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   2m   05.790s   +0.867s   [17/17]   331km/h
5.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16)   2m   05.833s   +0.910s   [15/15]   337km/h
6.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   2m   06.017s   +1.094s   [16/17]   336km/h
7.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   2m   06.109s   +1.186s   [5/16]   336km/h
8.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   2m   06.292s   +1.369s   [15/15]   331km/h
9.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   2m   06.411s   +1.488s   [14/14]   331km/h
10.   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)   2m   06.469s   +1.546s   [13/13]   332km/h
11.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   2m   06.484s   +1.561s   [12/13]   331km/h
12.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   2m   06.515s   +1.592s   [16/16]   330km/h
13.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   2m   06.646s   +1.723s   [14/14]   333km/h
14.   Jonas Folger   GER   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   2m   06.692s   +1.769s   [15/15]   330km/h
15.   Hector Barbera   ESP   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   2m   06.786s   +1.863s   [9/15]   336km/h
16.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   2m   06.824s   +1.901s   [9/14]   326km/h
17.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   2m   06.894s   +1.971s   [13/17]   333km/h
18.   Loris Baz   FRA   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)   2m   07.127s   +2.204s   [12/17]   325km/h
19.   Karel Abraham   CZE   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15)   2m   07.300s   +2.377s   [15/15]   332km/h
20.   Alex Rins   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*   2m   08.006s   +3.083s   [10/16]   330km/h
21.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   2m   08.128s   +3.205s   [6/15]   331km/h
22.   Sam Lowes   GBR   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*   2m   08.292s   +3.369s   [13/16]   328km/h
23.   Bradley Smith   GBR   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   2m   08.740s   +3.817s   [14/15]   326km/h
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on April 21, 2017, 11:39:42 AM
I'm hoping MM gets comfortable. I'm getting tired of watching MV just pull away. Leading the pack by 1/2 a second is not a goo sign for the rest of the field.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on April 21, 2017, 01:27:04 PM
FP2

Pos.   Num.   Rider   Nation   Team   Bike   Km/h   Time   Gap 1st/Prev.
1   93   Marc MARQUEZ   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   330.9   2'04.061   
2   5   Johann ZARCO   FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   330.7   2'04.347   0.286 / 0.286
3   25   Maverick VIÃ'ALES   SPA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   331.0   2'04.451   0.390 / 0.104
4   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   331.1   2'04.806   0.745 / 0.355
5   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   331.8   2'04.811   0.750 / 0.005
6   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   334.3   2'04.830   0.769 / 0.019
7   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   LCR Honda   Honda   328.3   2'05.005   0.944 / 0.175
8   94   Jonas FOLGER   GER   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   332.3   2'05.033   0.972 / 0.028
9   45   Scott REDDING   GBR   OCTO Pramac Racing   Ducati   333.1   2'05.116   1.055 / 0.083
10   29   Andrea IANNONE   ITA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   327.2   2'05.142   1.081 / 0.026
11   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Ducati Team   Ducati   336.5   2'05.282   1.221 / 0.140
12   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   OCTO Pramac Racing   Ducati   332.9   2'05.284   1.223 / 0.002
13   43   Jack MILLER   AUS   EG 0,0 Marc VDS   Honda   331.6   2'05.463   1.402 / 0.179
14   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Aprilia Racing Team Gresini   Aprilia   327.6   2'05.468   1.407 / 0.005
15   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Reale Avintia Racing   Ducati   337.9   2'05.584   1.523 / 0.116
16   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   Pull&Bear Aspar Team   Ducati   339.9   2'05.602   1.541 / 0.018
17   53   Tito RABAT   SPA   EG 0,0 Marc VDS   Honda   330.4   2'05.943   1.882 / 0.341
18   42   Alex RINS   SPA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   330.4   2'06.155   2.094 / 0.212
19   76   Loris BAZ   FRA   Reale Avintia Racing   Ducati   326.6   2'06.358   2.297 / 0.203
20   44   Pol ESPARGARO   SPA   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing   KTM   330.2   2'06.503   2.442 / 0.145
21   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Pull&Bear Aspar Team   Ducati   328.4   2'06.709   2.648 / 0.206
22   22   Sam LOWES   GBR   Aprilia Racing Team Gresini   Aprilia   326.6   2'06.741   2.680 / 0.032
23   38   Bradley SMITH   GBR   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing   KTM   326.8   2'07.434   3.373 / 0.693
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on April 21, 2017, 01:30:09 PM
The story of the race so far, the bumps! It seems the riders are not liking the condition of the track
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: Needle99 on April 21, 2017, 08:21:26 PM
MV has also not shown his time attack pace yet. No soft tyre laps yet.

I think we will see a good dogfight this race.  [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: Raux on April 21, 2017, 10:05:57 PM
Here. That is all.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on April 22, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
What a save by Baz in Q1  :o Jorge looked pretty damn good in Q1
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on April 22, 2017, 12:49:51 PM
That's right Mav. Don't let him make the beast with two backs you around.  [evil]
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on April 22, 2017, 12:54:59 PM
Q2 was awesome. Maverick laid down the lap and Marc stepped on it. Valentino in 3rd.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on April 22, 2017, 01:09:20 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/B0572AF8-59B2-4AC1-9C76-2F12EF15D696.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/B0572AF8-59B2-4AC1-9C76-2F12EF15D696.png.html)
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: ducpainter on April 22, 2017, 02:19:41 PM
I believe we'll see a race tomorrow.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on April 22, 2017, 03:40:04 PM
JL out qualifies his team mate.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: ducpainter on April 22, 2017, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: koko64 on April 22, 2017, 03:40:04 PM
JL out qualifies his team mate.
I'll bet you $50 USD that Dovi beats George tomorrow. Payable to the RRW Airfence Fund...or the OZ equivalent, if they have a similar deal. ;D
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on April 22, 2017, 05:17:55 PM
I'd be backing the wrong horse ;D
My comment was purely in relation to Qualifying. You can hear the diff screaming as I do 100 in reverse [laugh].
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: ducpainter on April 22, 2017, 05:27:35 PM
Quote from: koko64 on April 22, 2017, 05:17:55 PM
I'd be backing the wrong horse ;D
My comment was purely in relation to Qualifying. You can hear the diff screaming as I do 100 in reverse [laugh].
If you didn't see FP4...both of Dovi's bikes broke. He only did a few laps.

George did improve, but...

the sun might be too bright tomorrow...or someone may fart in his general direction and break his concentration. ;D
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on April 22, 2017, 05:36:02 PM
Be interesting to see what kind of start Dovi and JL can make. I'm rooting for MM (I've grown to like the little shit), sorry Kopf.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on April 22, 2017, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: koko64 on April 22, 2017, 05:36:02 PM
Be interesting to see what kind of start Dovi and JL can make. I'm rooting for MM (I've grown to like the little shit), sorry Kopf.

No no, not at all. I'm an MM fan as well. I talked him up when he was first coming to the show. Nobody liked him (I did) . He was too aggressive, won't ride like that in MotoGP, etc etc. He shut everybody up quick.  ;) My boy is gonna do the same thing. Those two are gonna be battling for years to come.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on April 22, 2017, 05:43:25 PM
Yeah. [thumbsup]
Mav = Rainey
MM = Schwanz
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: ducpainter on April 22, 2017, 05:48:41 PM
I want the fossil to crash them both out. :-*

Not really, but i know how much D hates him. ;D
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on April 22, 2017, 05:59:46 PM
Mav gave him a big boy stare down in Q2 today. They hugged it out, but he made his point. In his head I think it went like this....'You go ahead and race for 3rd, we got the front two covered'  :D
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: lazylightnin717 on April 23, 2017, 10:34:50 AM
I'm anticipating good race today between MM and Mav.

Crusty will probably crash out. I think Rossi and Pedro will battle out third. Ducs will follow up with 5th and 6th.

Can't wait to see this.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on April 23, 2017, 12:07:37 PM
Oops  :-\
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on April 23, 2017, 12:12:37 PM
"Zarco's riding out of his skin here"  [laugh]
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on April 23, 2017, 12:17:00 PM
Ok Zarco. I'm onboard now after that move.  [evil]
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: kopfjäger on April 23, 2017, 12:48:51 PM
Some great battles all around. I'm watching that again in a hour.  [evil]
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: ute on April 23, 2017, 03:47:24 PM
I wonder if Zarco could ride the Duc with his style ?

Would be great to see Zarco and Iannone on Ducs........ Jlo can't ride it ....Dovi getting old


Race was a bit of snoozer
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on April 24, 2017, 07:16:39 AM
Zarco is riding last year's M1, which is the second best bike on the grid, with Moto2 mentality. It's so damn great to see!

I was not happy he crashed, but I was happy to see MM and not MV on the top step. The old guys still have what it takes!

I knew that Jorghey up in 4th wasn't going to last. Once I heard he had used the soft tires finishing behind Dovi was a foregone conclusion. Dovi didn't think they would do great after Saturday, so I wasn't expecting much from any of the Ducs.

Towards the end I could see Crashy Joe with Jorghey in his cross hairs. Even the MotoGP.com announcers were making comments about Iannone's tendencies to take out guys.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: Blackout on April 24, 2017, 08:00:30 AM
Fenati impressed me.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: Mhanis on April 24, 2017, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: ute on April 23, 2017, 03:47:24 PM

Race was a bit of snoozer

What race did you watch!? While it wasn't Laguna 2008 I thought it was a plenty entertaining race!!

Mark
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on April 24, 2017, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Mhanis on April 24, 2017, 10:53:45 AM
What race did you watch!? While it wasn't Laguna 2008 I thought it was a plenty entertaining race!!

Mark

i kinda fall in between these comments. There were a few bright spots where they were trading places, but in general once MM passed Pedrosa, it was a done deal.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on April 25, 2017, 06:48:46 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 0.3 penalty. I know it didn't have any impact whatsoever, but while Rossi was stalking Pedrosa I thought that Rossi would need to push to offset it. Little did I know that Pedrosa's tire was shot.

The incident was similar to Assen last year, but not quite. Something tells me that Rossi had been planning that move through the dirt for years. In Austin you could tell that it was less planed. He did gain a significant advantage, but there's something to be said about intent.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: ducpainter on April 25, 2017, 07:30:16 AM
The .3 was bullshit.

The move was hard, and Rossi had no choice other than crashing. Had they crashed, Zarco would have received a sanction for over aggressive riding.

Bullshit. Getting more and more like F1. Maybe headlight decals will help. [roll]

Canet was robbed. Fenati did a great job of applying the necessary pressure.

Toba causes the red flag, gets to join in the restart, and crashes out again. When did they change that rule?

Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on April 25, 2017, 10:09:36 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 25, 2017, 07:30:16 AM
The .3 was bullshit.

The move was hard, and Rossi had no choice other than crashing. Had they crashed, Zarco would have received a sanction for over aggressive riding.

Bullshit. Getting more and more like F1. Maybe headlight decals will help. [roll]

Canet was robbed. Fenati did a great job of applying the necessary pressure.

Toba causes the red flag, gets to join in the restart, and crashes out again. When did they change that rule?



I believe they can rejoin as long as they're using the same bike.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on April 25, 2017, 10:14:39 AM
Lin Jarvis face said it all. He doesnt look the type to suffer fools gladly.
There is probably a point in the rules regarding relinquishing any advantage gained. Someone will know. If he rolled of enough to give back the advantage he would be in the clear, but the Old Goat is wily. ;) I do agree that things shouldnt be too sanitized.
If MM and MV squeeze each other hard enough Rossi could do a Hayden this year. Who thought he would be leading after last race!
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: duccarlos on April 25, 2017, 10:20:45 AM
Quote from: koko64 on April 25, 2017, 10:14:39 AM
Lin Jarvis face said it all.
There is probably a point in the rules regarding relinquishing any advantage gained. Someone will know. If he rolled of enough to give back the advantage he would be in the clear, but the Old Goat is wily. ;) I do agree that things shouldnt be too sanitized.
If MM and MV squeeze each other hard enough Rossi could do a Hayden this year. Who thought he would be leading after last race!


Rossi showed MM that consistency wins the championship. That is how MM won last year and how Rossi kept it close the year before. MV might actually understand that, too early to tell. At the same time, Rossi needs wins. He can't depend on MM and MV crashing for him to stay in the race as long as he continues to finish 2nd and 3rd.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: manwithgun on April 25, 2017, 10:33:08 AM
   I agree with all of the above.   The Rossi penalty makes me question whether the officials have ever ridden motorcycles.   In the right immediately following the contact, Zarco ended up at the tracks edge, which should have justified Rossi's move.  Instead, a room full of physicists and mathematicians come up with .3 seconds.  Of course, Rossi did gain an advantage but I didn't see it as intentional.  Admittedly, it did add to the suspense as Pedrosa was being reeled in...

   With Moto3, I don't know the rules, but it would seem controversial to allow a rider who caused a red flag to rejoin a race.   It almost seemed as if Canet was throwing a tantrum after his highside (which was awesome btw) hoping to draw another red flag.  The last thing that we need in this sport would be soccer antics having an influence on the racing.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: koko64 on April 25, 2017, 10:36:39 AM
That was a big highside.

The other incident looked like a locked steering damper the way he speared across the line. Anyone know the cause?

Rossi only needs to snag a few wins and stay on the podium while the younguns slug it out. One more crash each under fierce pressure is possible. Jerez again could be a win with opportunities in the Euro rounds and Oz. This year is shaping up as Rossi's best chance for #10. Its gonna be a great season.
Title: Re: Moto GP Americas (spoilt)
Post by: OT on April 27, 2017, 09:55:13 AM
Agree that the 'advantage penalty' was BS...next season, software that enables the rider's pit crew to dial off speed and take away the advantage will be mandatory... [roll]

Here's probably how it happened - the 'race direction' guys are schmoozing with the umbrella girls when, OMG, the announcers go nuts over the almost collision/crash...What happened? Rossi? Again? Give him 0.3 and let's get another round of those salty Margaritas...