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Title: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: duccarlos on April 05, 2018, 11:23:49 AM
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/04/05/into-the-unknown-weather-tyres-and-asphalt-in-argentina/253893

It seems that the new asphalt is a big concern this weekend.
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Post by: Speeddog on April 05, 2018, 11:45:13 AM
Dodgy weather, 4 tires to choose from, and some new asphalt in areas.

Should be hectic!
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Post by: koko64 on April 05, 2018, 03:14:27 PM
Cant wait. Plenty of factors to make it anyones race.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 06, 2018, 08:23:25 AM
FP1

Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 40.303s [Lap 17/18] 328km/h (Top Speed)
Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 40.345s +0.042s [17/18] 332k
Andrea Iannone ITA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 40.386s +0.083s [17/18] 324k
Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1) 1m 40.614s +0.311s [19/20] 326k
Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (GP17) 1m 40.715s +0.412s [18/18] 326k
Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 40.781s +0.478s [16/19] 333k
Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 40.825s +0.522s [17/19] 328k
Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 40.938s +0.635s [15/17] 329k
Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 41.019s +0.716s [16/17] 330k
Danilo Petrucci ITA Pramac Ducati (GP18) 1m 41.066s +0.763s [13/15] 332k
Hafizh Syahrin MAL Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 41.094s +0.791s [16/17] 324k
Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 41.163s +0.860s [20/20] 326k
Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 41.224s +0.921s [20/20] 329k
Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 41.286s +0.983s [16/18] 326k
Scott Redding GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 41.346s +1.043s [14/15] 323k
Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 41.355s +1.052s [17/18] 328k
Tito Rabat ESP Reale Avintia (GP17) 1m 41.421s +1.118s [22/22] 329k
Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V)* 1m 41.449s +1.146s [19/20] 323k
Franco Morbidelli ITA EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 41.538s +1.235s [18/19] 321k
Alvaro Bautista ESP Angel Nieto Team (GP17) 1m 41.624s +1.321s [17/19] 331k
Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 41.802s +1.499s [18/20] 326k
Xavier Simeon ESP Reale Avintia (GP16)* 1m 42.192s +1.889s [16/17] 322k
Thomas Luthi SWI EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 42.698s +2.395s [19/19] 319k
Karel Abraham CZE Angel Nieto Team (GP16) 1m 42.857s +2.554s [17/17] 324k
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: Speeddog on April 06, 2018, 08:25:16 AM
Pedrosa tops P1.

Track in quite crappy condition.

Vinales 13th.
High likelihood that those currently outside the top 10 will be in Q1, as it's supposed to rain for FP2 and FP3.
Weather appears quite volatile, so the predictions may mean squat.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: duccarlos on April 06, 2018, 08:34:02 AM
Only MV is the only unexpected rider outside the top 10.
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Post by: duccarlos on April 06, 2018, 12:20:04 PM
FP2 *** WTF Ducati?! ***

Pos.   Num.   Rider   Nation   Team   Bike   Km/h   Time   Gap 1st/Prev.
1   93   Marc MARQUEZ   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   325.0   1'39.395   
2   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   LCR Honda CASTROL   Honda   325.7   1'39.799   0.404 / 0.404
3   53   Tito RABAT   SPA   Reale Avintia Racing   Ducati   324.8   1'40.346   0.951 / 0.547
4   29   Andrea IANNONE   ITA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   316.8   1'40.455   1.060 / 0.109
5   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   319.3   1'40.494   1.099 / 0.039
6   25   Maverick VIÃ'ALES   SPA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   320.6   1'40.510   1.115 / 0.016
7   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   317.9   1'40.577   1.182 / 0.067
8   42   Alex RINS   SPA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   318.0   1'40.592   1.197 / 0.015
9   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   Angel Nieto Team   Ducati   320.5   1'40.766   1.371 / 0.174
10   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Aprilia Racing Team Gresini   Aprilia   314.0   1'40.800   1.405 / 0.034
11   45   Scott REDDING   GBR   Aprilia Racing Team Gresini   Aprilia   314.2   1'40.839   1.444 / 0.039
12   43   Jack MILLER   AUS   Alma Pramac Racing   Ducati   316.9   1'40.842   1.447 / 0.003
13   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   Alma Pramac Racing   Ducati   327.3   1'40.863   1.468 / 0.021
14   5   Johann ZARCO   FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   319.4   1'40.974   1.579 / 0.111
15   38   Bradley SMITH   GBR   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing   KTM   318.0   1'41.198   1.803 / 0.224
16   55   Hafizh SYAHRIN   MAL   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   315.6   1'41.257   1.862 / 0.059
17   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Ducati Team   Ducati   323.5   1'41.334   1.939 / 0.077
18   30   Takaaki NAKAGAMI   JPN   LCR Honda IDEMITSU   Honda   314.4   1'41.357   1.962 / 0.023
19   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Angel Nieto Team   Ducati   322.6   1'41.784   2.389 / 0.427
20   21   Franco MORBIDELLI   ITA   EG 0,0 Marc VDS   Honda   313.8   1'41.832   2.437 / 0.048
21   44   Pol ESPARGARO   SPA   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing   KTM   320.5   1'41.867   2.472 / 0.035
22   12   Thomas LUTHI   SWI   EG 0,0 Marc VDS   Honda   314.4   1'41.898   2.503 / 0.031
23   10   Xavier SIMEON   BEL   Reale Avintia Racing   Ducati   320.3   1'42.242   2.847 / 0.344
24   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   319.4   1'42.973   3.578 / 0.731
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: duccarlos on April 06, 2018, 12:23:08 PM
MM almost high sided coming out of the pitlane after the flag-to-flag practice.
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Post by: duccarlos on April 06, 2018, 12:24:47 PM
Something I would not have thought I would hear today: "Tito Rabat, top Ducati rider".
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Post by: koko64 on April 06, 2018, 01:47:50 PM
Looks like the later model the Ducati, the slower it went under those conditions, in that order. That's not the rider. Miller usually excels in those conditions so as far as wet weather racing is concerned, it appears the correct development for mid corner agility is an engineering wrong turn for the wet. The previous characteristic of stability and difficulty to turn gave a secure wet bike, but the latest version being set up to turn better. Fair enough too. I guess we'll have to see what wet race set up they can develop. Just my unqualified opinon ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: duccarlos on April 06, 2018, 02:13:02 PM
It wasn't really wet. They were some concerns about moisture coming up through the asphalt.
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Post by: koko64 on April 06, 2018, 02:18:15 PM
So more greasy than rain? I hated racing in that in between condition.

Won't be the last time I'm wrong. Probably end up being a great wet bike too [laugh]
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 06, 2018, 03:34:31 PM
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/892849/1/first-last-dovizioso-lorenzo-petrucci-explain-ducati-struggle
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: ducpainter on April 07, 2018, 05:15:53 AM
Track is wet this morning.

Moto2 is faster than the big kids by a couple of seconds. The big kids are running the same times as moto3.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 07, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
Qualifying 2:

Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (GP17) 1m 47.153s [Lap 8/8] 319km/h (Top Speed)
Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 47.330s +0.177s [Lap 6/7] 310k
Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1) 1m 47.365s +0.212s [Lap 6/7] 315k
Tito Rabat ESP Reale Avintia (GP17) 1m 47.681s +0.528s [Lap 6/7] 312k
Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 47.743s +0.590s [Lap 6/8] 310k
Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 47.754s +0.601s [Lap 7/7] 314k
Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 47.845s +0.692s [Lap 7/8] 317k
Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 48.247s +1.094s [Lap 5/6] 313k
Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 49.044s +1.891s [Lap 8/8] 314k
Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 49.304s +2.151s [Lap 7/7] 317k
Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 49.326s +2.173s [Lap 8/8] 310k
Andrea Iannone ITA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 49.975s +2.822s [Lap 6/7] 309k

Qualifying 1:

Karel Abraham CZE Angel Nieto Team (GP16) 1m 49.878s 312k
Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 50.063s 318k
Scott Redding GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 50.175s 313k
Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 50.324s 309k
Xavier Simeon ESP Reale Avintia (GP16)* 1m 50.364s 313k
Danilo Petrucci ITA Pramac Ducati (GP18) 1m 50.449s 319k
Alvaro Bautista ESP Angel Nieto Team (GP17) 1m 50.606s 314k
Thomas Luthi SWI EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 50.833s 308k
Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 51.007s 310k
Franco Morbidelli ITA EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 51.012s 306k
Hafizh Syahrin MAL Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 51.142s 30
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: duccarlos on April 07, 2018, 12:49:32 PM
Wow, just wow
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Post by: koko64 on April 07, 2018, 02:25:42 PM
Jack has webbed feet, but Monkey must be wishing for a 17 in the wet.
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Post by: stopintime on April 07, 2018, 02:46:18 PM
I pray for rain and a happy Miller tomorrow  [Dolph]

Plenty of karma points for all of us if he wins. It only has to happen once.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 07, 2018, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: koko64 on April 07, 2018, 02:25:42 PM
Jack has webbed feet, but Monkey must be wishing for a 17 in the wet.

80% chance of rain â˜"️ tomorrow, as of right now.
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Post by: scaudill on April 07, 2018, 02:56:51 PM
Looks like Marc screwed himself and Crutchlow by going to slicks.  Even though Miller pulled it off.  Nice to see the GP17, Suzuki and Aprilla close to the front.
Looking forward to the race tomorrow.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 07, 2018, 03:04:12 PM
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/ducati-scary-to-ride-argentina-dovizioso-1022622/
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Post by: koko64 on April 07, 2018, 03:22:38 PM
Moto 2 quicker than Moto GP shows how difficult it is to control all that power in the wet, even with electronics.

I'm not one for cultural appropriation, but I"ll make an exception and do a rain dance for tonight. ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 06:51:15 AM
Track is wet, but not raining as of now for WUP.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 10:59:56 AM
Moto 3 and Moto 2 raced. They just delayed the ‘Allstars’ due to safety conditions.
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 11:12:34 AM
What a farce. Jacks playing to the crowd now.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 11:12:50 AM
Everyone went back to the garage except for Jackass. He’s sitting on the grid by himself.  :D
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 11:13:45 AM
Quote from: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 11:12:34 AM
What a farce. Jacks playing to the crowd now.

I make the beast with two backsing love it.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 11:16:25 AM
Gonna be a crazy looking start with nobody but Jack for 4 rows.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 11:18:32 AM
Looked like the Marshall’s were playing Parcheesi with the starting numbers.  ;D
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 11:26:39 AM
Zarco make the beast with two backsed Dani.  ???
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 11:31:28 AM
MM gets a ride through for the shenanigans on the starting grid.
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 11:32:04 AM
Drama!
There'll be penalties
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 11:35:44 AM
Craziest shit I’ve ever seen in my life.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 11:37:53 AM
MM lost his mind!
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 11:56:31 AM
This race is out of control! More penalties for sure.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 11:56:58 AM
MM needs a beating after today.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 11:58:08 AM
I don’t think you could recreate this race with a script, but I’ll help.  :o
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 12:03:22 PM
I need a cigarette.  :o
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 12:04:14 PM
Race Direction will be busy. Crazy race. [shot]
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 12:05:35 PM
I got up at 3.30am for this. Glad I did. Wild.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 12:07:26 PM
18th for MM with the penalties.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 12:09:07 PM
Quote from: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 12:05:35 PM
I got up at 3.30am for this. Glad I did. Wild.

Unbemake the beast with two backsinlevable!!
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Post by: DarkMonster620 on April 08, 2018, 12:10:57 PM
I wake up at that time to go ride bicycle
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 12:12:32 PM
MM gets sent packing by Uccio and told "fungula" when he goes to Rossi"s garage to apologise. [laugh]
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 12:12:32 PM
MM gets sent packing by Uccio and told "fungula" when he goes to Rossi"s garage to apologise. [laugh]

That was classic.  ;)
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 01:00:30 PM
Will watch the replay many times. This race will be talked about for a long time.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 01:19:09 PM
Quote from: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 01:00:30 PM
Will watch the replay many times. This race will be talked about for a long time.

Yes it will. It’ll probably break the internet.
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Post by: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 02:20:07 PM
How he did not get DQed is beyond me.
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Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 02:20:55 PM
Quote from: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 02:20:07 PM
How he did not get DQed is beyond me.
He should sit out a race...

or two.

A 30 second penalty is bullshit.
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Post by: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 02:20:55 PM
He should sit out a race...

or two.

A 30 second penalty is bullshit.

Agreed!! There was so much stupid from MM during that race. Ignored the official, went the wrong direction and pushed out like 5 guys. It’s total bullshit that he did not get the black flag.
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Post by: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 02:29:24 PM
Not to mention the BS from the start! Miller picked slicks, everyone else should have started on wets, then forced to pit. Miller was robbed
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Post by: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 02:38:48 PM
Not to mention that make the beast with two backsing Jorghey is dead last in the championship. Dead. make the beast with two backsing. Last. Take your $12 million and make the beast with two backs off.
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 03:03:35 PM
This won't be the end of it  or shouldn't be. If it is then it proves the systemic bias towards Repsol and the Honda juggernaut (as if we didn't know).

Is Jack developing an Italian accent? :D
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 03:09:33 PM
Just when I thought Marky had matured..
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Post by: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 03:13:09 PM
The move Zarco put on Pedrosa was not exactly safe either. Race direction is looking out for the young guys.
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Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 03:17:14 PM
Quote from: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 03:13:09 PM
The move Zarco put on Pedrosa was not exactly safe either. Race direction is looking out for the young guys.
According to Zarco, he and Dani never touched. It was hard, but a racing incident IMO.

Mark pushed both Aleix and Vale off the race line. Over the top.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 03:20:51 PM
Race Direction may be reviewing footage for dirty moves "behind play" I guess. Will be an interesting week. I think we'll all be watching replays. Pedro got run wide by a borderline hard pass and was on the gas when he hit the wet line. Marky physically pushed his opponents bikes aside.
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Post by: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 03:25:55 PM
Vale had a crowd of reporters around him for 20 minutes. Not sure MM will survive the rabid Rossi fan boys
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 03:30:50 PM
Uccio was correct as an apology dont cut it, but a smack in the mouth does. Maybe an apology from Zarco will suffice (and a case of Beaujolais). ;D
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 03:25:55 PM
Vale had a crowd of reporters around him for 20 minutes. Not sure MM will survive the rabid Rossi fan boys

The Italian and Spanish media will go nuts.

Alot of this may have been avoided if they just started the bloody race on time without the asshattery.
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Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 03:54:01 PM
Not sure if you guys saw the post race press conference, but Cal asked Steve Day where all the media was, I'm guessing they were fawning over Vale, and announced that anyone that wasn't in the room could excuse themselves from any of his media sessions in the future.
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Post by: ute on April 08, 2018, 03:59:04 PM
Insanity

The only thing that will help jlo is if Kawi gets into MotoGP ....... nobody will ever sign him
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Post by: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: ute on April 08, 2018, 03:59:04 PM
Insanity

The only thing that will help jlo is if Kawi gets into MotoGP ....... nobody will ever sign him
Unfortunately that’s doubtful. Suzuki will likely be looking for a replacement for Demented Joseph. That bike fits Jorghey riding style better than the Duc
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Post by: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 04:14:04 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 03:54:01 PM
Not sure if you guys saw the post race press conference, but Cal asked Steve Day where all the media was, I'm guessing they were fawning over Vale, and announced that anyone that wasn't in the room could excuse themselves from any of his media sessions in the future.
It must have sucked for Cal, Zarco and Rins. Without the madness in the back, it’s a great story to get those 3 guys on the podium
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Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 04:16:52 PM
Cal was pissed, and made no bones about it.
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 04:19:09 PM
Shame, those guys fought hard and deserve the recognition. Repsol Honda ain't the only juggernaut.

The Spanish and Italian crowds will have a special welcome for Vale and Marky. Be an interesting season. Wonder how Jack is feelin'?
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Post by: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 04:19:57 PM
Jack was not happy either
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 04:21:52 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 04:16:52 PM
Cal was pissed, and made no bones about it.

https://youtu.be/H9y_leIIVMI
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 04:33:23 PM
You tell 'em Cal [clap].
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Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 04:34:57 PM
I also liked his comment about Jack's performance in quali... ;D
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 04:39:38 PM
 [laugh] yep.
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 04:59:58 PM
Young Rins is looking over like, "is allowed to say that?"
Crusty says whatever the damn well he pleases. ;D
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Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
I'd really like to see a clip of Cal telling the Moviestar guy, who was notably absent from the press conference, to gtfo. [thumbsup]
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 05:22:14 PM
 :D worth the price of admission. This ain't over by a long shot. Any more sanctions you reckon? YRT protest or just media demonization?
I doubt HRC/Repsol can protest about Zarco's move after Marky's behaviour. The kid lost it bad.

I think JL will get the boot and Monkey will take his place with Jack No.1 Pramac rider.
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Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 05:36:13 PM
Moto GP site is analysing various camera angles of the Marquez/Rossi clash with interviews from all sides. Did someone say media frenzy?
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Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 05:39:00 PM
Not over is an understatement.

Regardless of sanctions, there will be retributions from Rossi. It will be interesting. I don't think anyone was impressed with the world champion, lower case intended, today.

I haven't been to the motogp site since the press conference.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 05:50:48 PM
The thing is, Marky had the pace and didnt have to foul through to get ahead of Dovi on points. Dad needs to give him a beltin'. Hot headedness has cost him at least 25 points and who knows what else.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 06:02:19 PM
http://www.motogp.com/en/video_gallery/2018/04/05/argentinagp-best-videos/253906?n=254903

I used to like him.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 06:06:37 PM
I have no access. He try to justify the unjustifiable?
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2018, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: koko64 on April 08, 2018, 06:06:37 PM
I have no access. He try to justify the unjustifiable?
Pretty much.

He acknowledged he make the beast with two backsed up on the move on Espargaro. Blames track conditions on the Rossi incident.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 06:25:46 PM
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/893379/1/rossi-dirty-marquez-has-destroyed-our-sport
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 06:28:07 PM
Couple still shots

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/893371/1/pictures-marquez-rossi-clash-argentina
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 06:47:08 PM
Espargaro says Petrucci ran him over as well.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/893335/1/espargaro-petrucci-hit-me-harder-marquez
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 07:15:31 PM
In Rossi’s interview he said he’s scared to be on the track with MM. Said MM does it on purpose going straight into another rider knowing he can’t make the turn in, but knows he won’t crash, you will. Said he (mm) has no respect for the other riders. etc.. etc..
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: DarkMonster620 on April 08, 2018, 07:50:02 PM
(https://scontent.fpac1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30412332_1644990168870556_3927940449108492288_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=c19b6c9b5301f96d26a278788385782d&oe=5B717823)
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Post by: duccarlos on April 08, 2018, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 08, 2018, 07:15:31 PM
In Rossi’s interview he said he’s scared to be on the track with MM. Said MM does it on purpose going straight into another rider knowing he can’t make the turn in, but knows he won’t crash, you will. Said he (mm) has no respect for the other riders. etc.. etc..
I can’t say that MM does this shit all the time, but today he was on fire
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 09, 2018, 02:05:54 AM
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on April 08, 2018, 07:50:02 PM
(https://scontent.fpac1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30412332_1644990168870556_3927940449108492288_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=c19b6c9b5301f96d26a278788385782d&oe=5B717823)

;D
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: GK on April 09, 2018, 08:06:18 AM
I thought Cal was great in his introduction. Let’s see if he boots any media out as the season progresses. I hope so.

MM is in it up to his neck!

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Post by: duccarlos on April 09, 2018, 08:24:47 AM
The biggest issue I see is that the MM drama is taking away from the real issues we saw, mainly race direction is a mess right now. They didn't follow their own rules! From postponing the start because only 1 rider made the proper decision, to not being able to deal with MM at all. If they had any balls, they would make MM sit out the next race, but HRC would raise such a huge stink that I doubt anything will come out of it.
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Post by: ducpainter on April 09, 2018, 09:25:13 AM
I thought Mike Webb had bigger balls.

Jack got hosed with the delayed start.

I agree, nothing will be done about Marc, except maybe some points on his license.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: Grampa on April 09, 2018, 09:53:51 AM
Race direction did the right thing on all accounts if viewed from the standpoint of increasing interest in tv/web subscriptions.  

Good vs evil, wrong vs right, old vs young, fresh meat on the podium, weather, tires, drama drama drama = people engaged after sunday.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: duccarlos on April 09, 2018, 01:19:14 PM
And everyone will tune in for the press conference on Thursday before Austin to watch the reporters ask MM and Rossi the same stupid questions.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 09, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
Passing the buck.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/893398/1/carmelo-ezpeleta-comments-argentina-motogp
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 09, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
Honda speaks about the racing incident.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/893396/1/honda-racing-incident-we-re-sorry-it
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 09, 2018, 02:27:02 PM
Some fancy footwork there.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 09, 2018, 02:31:12 PM
Quote from: koko64 on April 09, 2018, 02:27:02 PM
Some fancy footwork there.

https://youtu.be/rtDNjrffsec
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: ducpainter on April 09, 2018, 02:34:47 PM
The bird dances better than Puig...makes more sense too. ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 09, 2018, 02:49:35 PM
 ;D

Puig sounds reasonable,.. if it were true.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: Grampa on April 09, 2018, 03:00:28 PM
Apologies come best in the form of points your rider will donate from his last-race stash.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 09, 2018, 03:07:27 PM
Yeah, that would be a genuine sign of honourable contrition/remorse/repentance. Na, just hit 'em with the ol' Razzle Dazzle.
Title: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: GK on April 10, 2018, 12:18:59 AM
Alberto, Mark.. just remember.. it’s not a lie.. if you believe it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ&sns=em
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 10, 2018, 01:27:21 AM
Puig and Marky are believin'. ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: Grampa on April 10, 2018, 07:44:13 AM
It would be easy for the production guys to go back through the footage to see if he was blowing corner entry and exit when nobody was near him.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: duccarlos on April 10, 2018, 08:04:08 AM
It doesn't matter. Their whole point is that the track conditions caused it. The track was a mess from the get go, so why try a pass where you already rammed into AE?
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 10, 2018, 02:14:36 PM
I guess Marky will get enough points accrued for the next infringement to put him at the back of the grid? His reception at Misano and Mugello will be interesting..

I wonder if VR fans in Spain will take the side of their countryman along national lines or just be conflicted VR fanboys?
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 10, 2018, 02:19:35 PM
Pedrosa had surgery on his broken wrist. They’re not sure if he’ll race next week.

Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 10, 2018, 02:20:07 PM
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/893417/1/espargaro-blasts-pramac-contact-statement
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: ducpainter on April 10, 2018, 02:24:32 PM
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 10, 2018, 02:20:07 PM
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/893417/1/espargaro-blasts-pramac-contact-statement
Blah blah blah blah blah.

STFU...all of them.

The track sucked, they all made mistakes.

Marc was out of control...seriously out of control. Did he forget his Ritalin? ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 10, 2018, 03:11:05 PM
MM was a bull at a gate. He couldnt wait for the better opportunity to pass and that was probably track rage. He could have podiumed at least if he stayed cool.

I've not seen this kind of conflict so wide reaching and broad in its scope. A social media ban is needed. What a bunch of high school girls. Primadonnas, VR included. I say that because he is sounding like Stoner and Gibber when they complained about him. Maybe he's actually old enough to feel mortal.

The difference is VR did it the Italian way, with style, so it looked like a racing incident. Think Italian soccer fakery, "oh my leg, he foul me in penalty area, bastido". Marky is too bloody obvious with no finesse and it could cost him the championship. It was rage, not cunning.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 10, 2018, 03:22:41 PM
The officials also have to take some blame, between their ad hoc decision to start late, and the track condition it was the perfect scenario for this shit to happen. A bunch of testosterone fuelled young blokes on 270hp motorcycles on a greasy track with dodgy bitumen, what could possibly go wrong? They should also have more forcefully collared Marky on the grid and sent him to pit lane. The officials contributed to this. Ritalin needs to come off the doping list. ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 10, 2018, 03:44:49 PM
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 10, 2018, 02:19:35 PM
Pedrosa had surgery on his broken wrist. They’re not sure if he’ll race next week.



He broke again. Poor little bugger.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: GK on April 10, 2018, 03:51:09 PM
When you’re under a pressure, real or perceived it’s easy to make mistakes.

MM knows he needs a stack of wins bc Dovi will be a fierce challenger for the championship.

Being so desperate to win always brings the possibility for dumb stuff.

As has been said here and elsewhere, MM could have been patient, the drongo wasn’t and it’s going to bite real hard.

Lots more scrutiny and complaints about his style to come methinks!
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 10, 2018, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: koko64 on April 10, 2018, 03:44:49 PM
He broke again. Poor little bugger.

He landed on that right wrist.

https://youtu.be/ouEZ9SA__nU
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: ducpainter on April 10, 2018, 04:40:59 PM
I was happy to not see him with an arm all tucked in from a broken collar bone.

Danny doesn't crash well.
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Post by: kopfjäger on April 10, 2018, 04:42:51 PM
Yeah, when he first got up to his knees I thought, not again.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: duccarlos on April 10, 2018, 04:57:33 PM
Can't buy a break.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 10, 2018, 05:09:34 PM
He must be up there with Mamola for best bridesmaid.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: Speeddog on April 10, 2018, 06:34:56 PM
Perhaps they'll have him sit out COTA.
That might get his attention.  >:(

Serial dickheadedness, riding with his brain disengaged to the extent that he doesn't recognize that it's Rossi.
So he never even gives it a thought as to whether perhaps he maybe should *not* push him off.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: ducpainter on April 10, 2018, 06:36:55 PM
Quote from: Speeddog on April 10, 2018, 06:34:56 PM
Perhaps they'll have him sit out COTA.
That might get his attention.  >:(

<snip>im off.
That would be the correct thing to do.

It'll never happen. [bang]
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: Speeddog on April 10, 2018, 08:05:23 PM
We can only dream.

Got nothing against him, great rider, just want him to engage with racecraft.
Riding without it is a waste of talent that endangers everyone.

Many folks lump all passes into the same category, but there's a pass for position and a pass for moving through, at the minimum.
I'm sure Petrucci races hard on a pass for position.
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: kopfjäger on April 12, 2018, 12:11:29 PM
Wet patches caused it, certainly not me.  ;)

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/893376/1/zarco-explains-pedrosa-clash-blames-wet-patches
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: DarkMonster620 on April 12, 2018, 12:59:25 PM
 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: Grampa on April 12, 2018, 01:50:23 PM
I know of a few wet patches that caused major problems for guy...
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: ducpainter on April 12, 2018, 03:22:08 PM
Quote from: Grampa on April 12, 2018, 01:50:23 PM
I know of a few wet patches that caused major problems for guy...
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: ducpainter on April 14, 2018, 07:29:46 AM
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2018/04/12/2018_argentina_motogp_race_round_up_part.html

Long, but as usual, spot on!
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Post by: koko64 on April 14, 2018, 11:57:24 AM
Great stuff
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Post by: GK on April 15, 2018, 01:41:11 AM
Yep, very long article, but worth the read.

It’ll be a long year for MM. Rossi and his loyal legion of fans will stick it to MM at every turn.

Interesting to see how he responds.

I hope Dovi makes the most of this sideshow and takes out the title!
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Post by: duccarlos on April 16, 2018, 10:27:07 AM
And this: https://motomatters.com/node/13925
Title: Re: MotoGP Argentina 2018 *** Spoilers ***
Post by: koko64 on April 17, 2018, 05:25:04 AM
 [thumbsup]