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Kitchen Sink => No Moto Content => Topic started by: Zaster on July 12, 2019, 12:20:48 PM

Title: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck...so we're thinking electric
Post by: Zaster on July 12, 2019, 12:20:48 PM
I know this is not a Diesel, but I'm keeping an eye on this company before I buy another truck:

https://www.atlismotorvehicles.com/
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck
Post by: Speeddog on July 12, 2019, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: Zaster on July 12, 2019, 12:20:48 PM
I know this is not a Diesel, but I'm keeping an eye on this company before I buy another truck:

https://www.atlismotorvehicles.com/

Ummm.... 500 mile range and 15 minutes for a full charge?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger

Megacharger territory, over 1 MW.
Over 1341 HP.
More than 500VDC at 2000A.

Any folks with utility power experience care to comment on how feasible that is?
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck
Post by: Speedbag on July 12, 2019, 12:52:37 PM
Considering how overloaded the power grid is in general as-is, what's going to happen when the big move to all-electric vehicles happens?

(I personally think IC engines still have a long future....)
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck
Post by: kopfjäger on July 12, 2019, 01:08:20 PM
It’s coming, sooner or later. WiFi charging is also being developed. Ain’t happening overnight though.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-03/fastest-electric-car-chargers-waiting-for-batteries-to-catch-up

https://www.techradar.com/news/wireless-electric-vehicle-charging
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck
Post by: Speeddog on July 12, 2019, 01:22:34 PM
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 12, 2019, 01:08:20 PM
It’s coming, sooner or later. WiFi charging is also being developed. Ain’t happening overnight though.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-03/fastest-electric-car-chargers-waiting-for-batteries-to-catch-up

Ultra-fast chargers 350kW.

3x+ scale up needed.

https://www.techradar.com/news/wireless-electric-vehicle-charging

"Qualcomm says its Halo system can transfer power at up to 22kW"

May take a while to scale that up ~50x
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck
Post by: kopfjäger on July 12, 2019, 01:34:31 PM
It’s all relatively early in development. Things will be different after we’re all dead and gone.  Who knows where it will end up.
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck...so we're thinking electric
Post by: ducpainter on July 12, 2019, 02:13:42 PM
I split this out of the diesel thread.

Have at it kids.
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck...so we're thinking electric
Post by: kopfjäger on July 12, 2019, 04:38:42 PM
https://youtu.be/P86PVETuw50
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck...so we're thinking electric
Post by: kopfjäger on July 12, 2019, 04:40:12 PM
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=76903.msg1413769#msg1413769
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck
Post by: Zaster on July 12, 2019, 06:51:22 PM
Quote from: Speedbag on July 12, 2019, 12:52:37 PM
Considering how overloaded the power grid is in general as-is, what's going to happen when the big move to all-electric vehicles happens?

(I personally think IC engines still have a long future....)



Agreed, Germany had the same growing pains. Hopefully we learn from the mistakes of others while reducing the expense of making our own.
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck...so we're thinking electric
Post by: Zaster on July 12, 2019, 07:14:25 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on July 12, 2019, 02:13:42 PM
I split this out of the diesel thread.

Have at it kids.


Thanks Nate!
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck...so we're thinking electric
Post by: ducpainter on July 12, 2019, 07:22:32 PM
Quote from: Zaster on July 12, 2019, 07:14:25 PM

Thanks Nate!
I'm still trying to wrap my head around wifi charging. :P
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck...so we're thinking electric
Post by: Zaster on July 12, 2019, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on July 12, 2019, 07:22:32 PM
I'm still trying to wrap my head around wifi charging. :P


Same here. Wouldn't that create an undue amount of radiation?
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck...so we're thinking electric
Post by: kopfjäger on July 12, 2019, 07:54:56 PM
https://youtu.be/GlrcPrzuPMM
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck...so we're thinking electric
Post by: kopfjäger on July 12, 2019, 08:16:26 PM
They get deep into it in this article.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/wireless-charging-cars-finally-here-180970494/
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck
Post by: Speeddog on July 12, 2019, 10:40:59 PM
Quote from: Speeddog on July 12, 2019, 12:49:57 PM
More than 500VDC at 2000A.

A bit of searching says that would require 4 of ~1" diameter stranded copper wires, well actually 8 as there's + & - conductors.

That sounds a bit cumbersome.

I'm wondering what kind of sound a 20kW wireless charger would make.
Title: Re: You're too stupid to... own a diesel small truck
Post by: GreasySnipe on July 13, 2019, 03:58:37 AM
Quote from: Speeddog on July 12, 2019, 12:49:57 PM

Megacharger territory, over 1 MW.
Over 1341 HP.
More than 500VDC at 2000A.

Any folks with utility power experience care to comment on how feasible that is?

The Data center I work in has an average daily load of 750 KW and it's emergency generators(Mirrless Blackstones, which are old btw) run 480 3 phase, 60hz @900 rpm. They put out 1 MW maximum. The Data center I used to work in had 3612 Cats rated at 2.6 MW, 4160 VAC @ 900 rpm each at max load.  2K amps @480 VAC 60hz would require a 1.3 MW input, The arc flash rating alone would make this kinda unfeasible in my thoughts.
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