Hello guys,
I've run in yet another problem... so here is the story:
my friend bought an 695 (same as mine) with termignoni slip-ons, racing air filter and racing ECU. We've agreed to switch the sistem with mine.
We switched exausts - no problem, the same with air filter.
The problem is when we switch ECUs - neither bike would start.
Do we need to program something or what seems to be the problem?
(when we restore the ECUs both bikes start normally)
Thanks!
Swap gauges, or have both ecu's reflashed to disable the immobilizer.
I can't swap gauges unfortunately, mine is at 29k km, and his at 7k.
Can I reflash ECU's or need to take them to the shop?
Quote from: pyriel on October 07, 2019, 10:50:23 AM
I can't swap gauges unfortunately, mine is at 29k km, and his at 7k.
Can I reflash ECU's or need to take them to the shop?
You'll probably need to send them out to an aftermarket company. I don't
think Ducati dealers flash ecu's.
Where are you located?
You also might contact the OP from this thread. He seems to think it can be a DIY.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=77700.0
Croatia :/
You might look in to Tune ecu.
Ok, will try to look in that.
I've been curious and attempted to switch clocks, but it won't start either (his clock and electronics on my monster).
Quote from: pyriel on October 07, 2019, 12:06:29 PM
Ok, will try to look in that.
I've been curious and attempted to switch clocks, but it won't start either (his clock and electronics on my monster).
Are the bikes identical? Year etc?
That doesn't make much sense.
yes, both M695 2007. The only difference is one has termignoni slip-ons with ecu and air filter, and the other is regular.
The one that has termignoni also has original ecu, also tried to plug that in but it doesn't work.
Just to be clear...
The bikes will start with their own ecus and clocks on the bikes, but if you swap clocks and ecu's to the other bike it won't start?
I think they haven't swapped clocks due to the large difference in mileage.
Yes, I've swapped the clocks just to see if it will start...
""The bikes will start with their own ecus and clocks on the bikes, but if you swap clocks and ecu's to the other bike it won't start?" -> this is correct.
It must be the transponder in the key. The immobilizer senses the wrong key. Ignition switches for the correct key must also be swapped or the ECU's reflashed to delete the immobilizer as previously mentioned. To avoid that extra work, reprogramming with the red key or key card (depending on the model) is required. The dealer can do that with a new key iirc.
Another option is to clone an uncut key and then cut it to suit.
As a carb guy that's all I got.
Many edits as I remember what I did with my Hyper.
Nick or Howie might chime in.
Quote from: koko64 on October 07, 2019, 12:48:19 PM
It must be the transponder in the key. The immobilizer senses the wrong key. Ignition switches for the correct key must also be swapped or the ECU's reflashed to delete the immobilized as previously mentioned. To avoid that reprogramming with the red key or key card (depending on the model) is required. As a carb guy that's all I got.
I think you're right Tony.
Flashing the ecu to eliminate the immobilizer is the answer.
Swap keys too?
will try it tomorrow... if that doesn't work, I'll have to get creative :D
Tune ECU doesn't work for 695 as far as I can see...
Yeah, swapping the ignition lock/switches with antennas. Pita but cheaper than a reflash or key cloning if you have the right tool to access the torx bolts. I've seen bikes with bolts staked over for security but Ducati now use torx bolts iirc.
Good luck [thumbsup]
Quote from: koko64 on October 07, 2019, 01:12:39 PM
Yeah, swapping the ignition lock/switches with antennas. Pita but cheaper than a reflash or key cloning if you have the right tool to access the torx bolts. I've seen bikes with bolts staked over for security but Ducati now use torx bolts iirc.
Good luck [thumbsup]
I think it's a combo of gauges/ecu/key.
I've been wrong before.
Maybe Nick will pop in.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 07, 2019, 01:17:02 PM
I think it's a combo of gauges/ecu/key.
..............
It is [thumbsup]
Keys would need to be switched or new keys cloned to match. Killing the immobilizer would be the way to go. I have no idea where you would get an ECU flashed in Croatia. Any local Ducati clubs there?
Iaw reader\writer from guzi diag will let you reprogram your factory ecu with the map from the performance ecu with only a cable & laptop needed. I did this on my 848.
Where are you located?
https://www.rexxer.eu/e_kontakt.cfm
Thanks for the info and assistance. Tried to switch keys but it still didn't work. I'm taking both to the shop next month to see what is going on, I'll let you know.
I think koko64 is spot on with the keys. However...
For testing purposes you don't need to switch the ignition. Just switch the clocks and ecu, then bypas immobiliser with procedure described in manual. Here's one for s2r, copied from pdf manual; it could be different to your bike however:
QuoteEmergency procedure to
override the immobilizer
system
If the immobilizer is faulty, follow the
emergency procedure below to start
the engine.
1 turn the ignition key to ON, fully
open the throttle twistgrip and keep
it open; the EOBD light (2) that
turned on, turns off after 8
seconds.
2 release the throttle twistgrip once
the EOBD light has turned off
3 the EOBD light starts flashing. It is
now necessary to enter the
electronic code indicated on the
CODE CARD delivered to the
customer together with the bike.
4 count a number of EOBD light
flashes which is as the first digit of
the electronic code. Fully open the
throttle twistgrip and keep for two
seconds and then release. The
EOBD light stays fixed on for four
seconds: it means that the first digit
of the emergency code has been
acknowledged. Repeat the above
operation until the last digit of the
emergency code has been entered.
If the throttle twistgrip is
untouched, the EOBD light will
flash 20 times, then it will stay
permanently on. In this case the
whole procedure should be
repeated from step 1.
5 After releasing the throttle twistgrip
and if the entered code is correct,
the EOBD light will flash for 4
seconds to indicate that the
immobilizer is now disabled. Then it
turns off. It will immediately turn off
if the engine is started before 4
seconds have elapsed.
6 If the code is NOT correct, the
EOBD light stays on. Repeat the
procedure from step 1. There is no
limit, the procedure can be
repeated as many times as needed.
Note
Each time the key is positioned to
OFF after overriding the immobilizer as
described above, upon the following
key-ON the same error will show (and
engine is disabled again). The above
procedure should be repeated to
override the immobilizer system again
and enable engine starting.
About DIY immo delete. There's not much info on the Internet, I posted on tuneecu forums but no one got back to me yet. I've seen a picture of "Immobiliser" tick box in TuneECU app. I can't confirm it's possible to do it through an app. I've also seen someone posted that it's possible to extract .binh or .xdf, or some other file from ecu using this app I think, and manually amending a line of a code.
Since I fixed my dashboard I'm not doing it anytime soon. It's quite cheap though as app is about £10, and cables about £25 depending on a bike.
Wow! Thanks for all the help guys!
I've found an electronic shop in Croatia that deals with all vehicle ECU problems. They flashed both ECU's for cca. 90$.
Now both bikes work, just need to do some fin adjustments (TPS reset, CO2, valve position etc...)
So... for the first time... here is my little work in progress... with new sweet sweet sound making machines... [Dolph]
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7e50bjowhhvqcmt/20191026_142927.jpg?dl=0
[thumbsup]
Bet the pipes sound good.