Was trying to sell my 2005 S4R on Craigslist and got an offer for an MV brutale 910.
Heres my Bike:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/mcy/775004226.html
got an email about trading for an MV Brutale 910 "6K miles, clean title, not a scratch of course"
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff203/alecdmurrayS4R/mvcoop3.jpg)
is this a good trade? what do people think of the MV? does anybody know the cost (service etc.) of the MV?
If the offer is from craigslist then there is a 99% chance the person is completely insane and will want to trade you some magic beans because he lost the MV inside of his xylophone. The MV is a great bike. I think the bars are way too high, but it is a Harley after all.
MV looks tits. I am not sure about who makes it, how much it costs. But I know what I like, and I saw and heard that bike (4 cyl right?) and I like it a lot. I think that MV's are more rare than Duc's. I'd see it and ride it before you agree to it.
cg
Quote from: Alexandre on July 28, 2008, 08:44:32 AM
Was trying to sell my 2005 S4R on Craigslist and got an offer for an MV brutale 910.
Heres my Bike:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/mcy/768848952.html
got an email about trading for an MV Brutale 910 "6K miles, clean title, not a scratch of course"
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff203/alecdmurrayS4R/mvcoop3.jpg)
is this a good trade? what do people think of the MV? does anybody know the cost (service etc.) of the MV?
The 910 R or just the 910?
FYI, all the rumours you hear about Ducati (hard to find parts, tempermental, etc), are fairly accurate for MV's....at least the local ones I've seen.
A good looking bike, to be sure, but I have to fall back on my well-tested axiom of "If it's not Ducati, it's crap!"
Check out this dude's take from TOB
http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/general-monster-forum/186978-post-i-made-mv-agusta-board.html
He says that of his various nakeds, including a 910 Brutale, if he could only keep one it would be his Monster. waytogo
To make sure he has the bike before wasting your time driving to see it, ask for a specific photo of some part. The coolant overflow tank, for example. It's not something that would be easily findable online and you'd have some verification that he does indeed have the bike.
Quote from: factorPlayer on July 28, 2008, 10:22:57 AM
A good looking bike, to be sure, but I have to fall back on my well-tested axiom of "If it's not Ducati, it's crap!"
Check out this dude's take from TOB
http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/general-monster-forum/186978-post-i-made-mv-agusta-board.html
He says that of his various nakeds, including a 910 Brutale, if he could only keep one it would be his Monster. waytogo
that guy got banned for threatening physical violence against another board member.
Try forming your own opinions instead of taking some electrons on the internet as fact.
Quote from: Mika on July 28, 2008, 12:17:35 PM
that guy got banned for threatening physical violence against another board member.
Try forming your own opinions instead of taking some electrons on the internet as fact.
He didn't state they were fact, just an opinion of someone who owned both-sort of the best way to get a comparison, no?
Quote from: Mika on July 28, 2008, 12:17:35 PM
Try forming your own opinions instead of taking some electrons on the internet as fact.
you have the 910 brutale, whats the maintenance on it for you?? more than a 4v Duc?
Beautiful bike.. I´d go for the MV if all checks out ok and you´re happy with the trade. Beware - it ain´t no Ducati and it wheelies better.
Quote from: Mika on July 28, 2008, 12:17:35 PM
that guy got banned for threatening physical violence against another board member.
Try forming your own opinions instead of taking some electrons on the internet as fact.
was that from the MV board or another? [laugh]
Yeah that dude's an asshole, but he's got a bunch of bikes and knows his shit.
Ok , here it goes...I had a 04 yellow 800 ie monster before i upgraded to a 910 S ( by the way the Bike in the Picture is a S model and not the R model) . I also still have my 998S FE and I do love the torque of that engine.
The Tip i can give you is , if he has the Bike (like someone suggested to make sure it is note fake ) meet him and test ride it...to feel the ridding position ( I am 5'10 and seem to fit perfect on it... any taller and it will get cramped).
There are a couple things that are good to know about it..... first the throttle is very twitchy... you can get that partially fixed wit a Power commander and a very good "Dynoman". However it will still be twitchy. About the Torque .. I do not agree with what was said that it has no low end Torque ... its got a lot pulls like a freight train ... which is sometimes more that healthy. A friend of mine ( rides GSXR600 ... raced before etc) was ridding it and his impression was that if you do not hold on the seat during the acceleration will hit you in the but ( in a good way) . However it is also more prone to get you a speeding ticket. It just wants to go faster. Hard to explain I guess
Second downer is the Dealer network... you will find way more Ducati dealer than MV Dealer which makes it hard and pricey at some stage. For example AZ has only 2 dealers - 1 in Phoenix (Scottsdale ) and 1 in Tucson .
Another thing are the brakes... the S-Model has Nissin and the R- model has Brembo's....the upgrade i did on my S Model was cheap using EBC Sintered Brake Pads #FA249HH 70$ incl. shipping) and they work wonders, however will also not last that long and have the tendency to leave some (more as usual) dirt on the rims. The original Mirrors are a joke ....they vibration make's them completely useless.
There is maybe a lot more... if you want to talk to me send me a pm and I give you my Phone number.
Bottom line : I love both of my Bike's and if I had to choose I would not know which one...but probably would keep the 998S FE just because it is a Tamburini FE and also my Wife bought it for me for my Birthday (brand new) 2 Years ago ...so there you go..
Thomas
I would rather have the Ducati. Period.
LA
Quote from: Alexandre on July 28, 2008, 02:53:07 PM
you have the 910 brutale, whats the maintenance on it for you?? more than a 4v Duc?
the same dlrs that service MVs also service Ducs. Thus the labor rate is the same, but MVs are designed better, have better fit and finish, and are easier to work on from what I hear. Just call your local mechanic and ask them for an ubiased opinion, which will be hard to find on a Monster board.
Hmmmm. I just read your ad. Isnt the 05 S4R a 996 cc. Your ad states 998 cc. As for the MV. Nice bike, but I dont know a thing about them.
Good luck.
MV was also recently purchased by Harley and I would think that would increase the potential number of dealers. They most likely would have someone at one of the Harley dealers service it for you.
Quote from: greenohawk69 on July 30, 2008, 10:08:57 AM
MV was also recently purchased by Harley and I would think that would increase the potential number of dealers. They most likely would have someone at one of the Harley dealers service it for you.
umm yeah don't see that happening.
Gotta agree with factor, not a chance in hell you see anything MV in a harley dealer....
They already have a large investment in buell in most dealerships that is hardly paying off for them, putting an even MORE expensive italian brand on the floor next to american iron wouldn't work well.....
I think the MV deal was done soley to get harley more credibility in europe??
They are beautiful bikes for sure, but they just don't have any dealers around
luckily i live in socal and there are 2 dealerships within easy driving distance.
there is no way harley will have anything MV in dealerships IMHO...
Harley bought MV for its European dealer network. HD wanted to expand its European sales and the MV dealer network provided a good way to do that. I don't see them diluting their "All American" dealerships with an Italian brand. I'm sure they'll want to keep them separated over here.
I ride pretty often out here with a guy on a Brutale. The bike is fast, smokes my S2R1000. However, I find the riding position incredibly uncomfortable compared to my Ducati and to be honest, his bike always seems broken. Granted the owner is busy at work these days but every riding day that comes up he has something wrong with the bike.
I like the MV a lot, but more of a lust thing and not a true desire to own thing. I much prefer my Monster but that is just me.
uncomfortable issues depend on your height. The Brut seating position is more upright than a Monster, so try for yourself. Yeah for tall guys it's cramped. The suspension is more taught than a Monster. It ain't no luxo tourer or highway bike due to short gearing.
mine has never been unreliable in almost 3 years, whereas my Monster had to be towed once in the 1st year.
Quote from: Mika on July 30, 2008, 06:51:26 PM
mine has never been unreliable in almost 3 years, whereas my Monster had to be towed once in the 1st year.
How many miles were put on each in that time?
Quote from: someguy on July 30, 2008, 06:59:48 PM
How many miles were put on each in that time?
4k on the Monster - it was my only bike at the time
6k on the Brut - I split time as I have more than 1x bike now
Bought a leftover 06 910S year and half ago.
I've had a couple monsters which are fun bikes, but I've got to say, the handling on the brute is incredible. I really didn't like the bike much til I took it to the Carolina mountains, the bike is such a smooth easy cornering bike, just literally falls into the corners. And it's an absolute blast to ride with loads of power AND torque.
The downsides as someone cited. The brakes on the S model suck, tho some mv guys will disagree strongly with that statement, the nissins went away and were replaced with brembos on 07 model year bikes. 90% of my riding experience is with Ducati and Aprilia Twins, the 4 takes a lot of getting used to, and at first was very difficult for me to modulate the throttle smoothly. Throttle is a bit stiff, one of the popular fixes is to remove one of two throttle return springs to ease it a bit. It's a tiny bike and riding position is definately better for sub 6 footers, I'm 6'2" and look like a monkey h**ping a football! But I've ridden it as much as 400 miles or so in a day.
Dealer network not so great, I'm not terribly impressed by Ducati Atlanta Triumph MV Agusta where I bought the bike from and where it's serviced.
A fun bike, the upside is harley purchase erasing the debt and ensuring MV has money for the new 1078 series of brutes etc.
Chris
Well, I can offer up some semblance of comparison, after owning an M900, 748, now an S2R, and test riding that very 910 model.
The Brutale just never made me feellike I connected with it when I test rode it. The seating position was pretty good. More upright upper body, legs were more akin to a superbike (likely from the fact that the frame, etc. are from their superbike, yes?). But not uncomfortable.
The first impression was that the power delivery was very snatchy, immediate, and wanted to rev. Its short wheelbase amplified this impression. I have heard that the engine doesn't have a large (if any) flywheel mass. So, the engine spins up quick. My right hand needed a lot of discipline just keeping the bike feeling like I could maintain constant speeds when I was in traffic.
I had heard that year (the one I tested) had fueling issues. This also sounds liek something that can be remedied with a Power Commander or equivalent. I have also heard that the mileage for the Brutale is in the low 20-somethings. Which means you're burning through way too much gas (IMO) for a motorcycle.
Opening the bike up, it has an inline four top-end hit. I didn't get to really whack it, mostly because the bike wasn't mine, and I was on mostly residential streets. And, I respect the dealership who were nice enough to allow me a test.
That was in September of last year. They still have that demo bike, which might signal that I was not the only potential customer who felt the bike was "unusual" or not making that connection.
It's a beautiful bike. From the rear. That bodywork, seat, and shotgun exhaust are sublime. The headlight looks like they lost any motivation, and just let the glass sit in the sun for that droopy, melted glass effect.
Since that time, I've also tested the Hypermotard, which felt much more "usable" on the same streets I tested the Brutale. The power of the HM is in the midrange, where you're needing it. On the Brutale, you have to keep it turned up and be cautious about when you let the trigger drop.
The S2R 1000 with Termis on it is much more of a usable bike for the riding I do. I'm no 100+ mph guy, so I tend to favor a balanced, all-around motorcycle package.
That said, "if" I had the extra cash, or won the lottery, I'd probably get one. It would be the only inline four in the garage, though., so it might be a great third or fourth bike for me. I don't see it being anything more than an occasional bike, unless you have some great roads to use it.
For MV's future products, I don't honestly see any need to create the 1078 Brutale. If MV focused on the usability of the (existing) 910, I would have to believe it would become their Monster. Instead, they decided to move up in displacement, power, and possibly make a bike that's more about bragging rights. Like a V-Max that can take a corner. Okay, that was sarcasm, but I think you know what I mean.