So I believe the SV650 is a good clip faster than a 2004 620... Out of curiousity, what bikes are compairable to a Monster 620? I know my bike is "618cc" but that measurement seems a lot different on the VTwin...
I am not looking to race anyone but usually I feel like my bike would be quicker than most Harleys or cruisers and that I would get smoked by most all other sport bikes.
I am just curious if I were to find a sport or naked sport bike that is evenly matched, speed/power-wise, to my M620, what would it be?
Better yet, anywhere I can look at HP, 0-60, and .25 mile specs for different bikes side by side?
Maybe something like a Kawasaki Ninja 500R parallel twin or a single cylinder KTM 640LC4? Both of which I think will be around the power of a 620 maybe?
It is certainly less powerful than any of the inline four 600cc bikes, even the detuned ones unfortunately.
Even my S4Rs has problems catching Japanese 600cc bikes at 100mph +, maybe its the lack of a fairing or maybe I am just a c**p rider [moto]
Anyway...may there be cheap or fast or both...you will never caught me on a rice rocket...ever
But if the Venom comes to reality , my next ride might be austrian...Hollerät-dulliööööö
http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2007/12/2008-ktm-rc8-venom-sheer-naked-fun.html
And sorry how unrelated to the topic this is ;)
Quote from: mihama01 on August 21, 2008, 11:24:47 PM
Maybe something like a Kawasaki Ninja 500R parallel twin or a single cylinder KTM 640LC4? Both of which I think will be around the power of a 620 maybe?
Don't have the numbers on hand but after riding them all I can confidently say an M620 outguns those rides - jesus man it's not
that lame.
Quote from: ArguZ on August 22, 2008, 03:37:09 AM
you will never caught me on a rice rocket...ever
+1
I only hope I can buy you a beer one day good sir.
you've gotta put these things into perspective..
An sv650 is a watercooled twin cam 4v. and The Monster is aircooled and 2v. So its not a fair compasrrison.
Having been out on spirited rides with my mate. Him on his 2003 sv650 and me on my 98 M600 i can tell you that the difference isn't as big as it looks on paper.
The top end on the sv650 is about 15mph higher. But he doesnt start to pull away intill about 90mph.
Reallistically how often do you do that?
The monster handles alot better brakes alot better.
A monster 695 should be right up there with the sv650.
I had an ex500 and its not even on the same park as the Monster.
I had an FZ600 which was quicker but didnt handle aswell or look as good.
the F650GS I rode in cali didn't pull nearly as hard as my monster does, but it did handle well enough.
What about the Ninja 650? It's a parallel twin, probably close in HP. An SV650 makes more ponies than my M750 ~
JM
Quote from: teddy037.2 on August 22, 2008, 08:58:11 AM
the F650GS I rode in cali didn't pull nearly as hard as my monster does, but it did handle well enough.
I'd agree, with the caveat that it is not shorty-friendly. Fun to ride, brakes are nowhere as good as the duc's, topped it out around 110 mph.
Quote from: msincredible on August 22, 2008, 09:07:50 AM
I'd agree, with the caveat that it is not shorty-friendly. Fun to ride, brakes are nowhere as good as the duc's, topped it out around 110 mph.
I was fine w/it... but I'm only mostly-short ;)
Quote from: ArguZ on August 22, 2008, 03:37:09 AM
Anyway...may there be cheap or fast or both...you will never caught me on a rice rocket...ever
But if the Venom comes to reality , my next ride might be austrian...Hollerät-dulliööööö
http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2007/12/2008-ktm-rc8-venom-sheer-naked-fun.html
And sorry how unrelated to the topic this is ;)
Thanks good find on that link. I've been watching the RC8 progress but didn't know they had a naked version coming as well!
Quote from: teddy037.2 on August 22, 2008, 09:13:17 AM
I was fine w/it... but I'm only mostly-short ;)
People asked why I didn't take more pictures when I was riding it around Germany...it's because I could only stop somewhere flat. Try finding somewhere flat to pull over in the Alps! [cheeky]
You just tell me when you go to the alps next time and I can give you a lift...a forklift ;)
QuoteDon't have the numbers on hand but after riding them all I can confidently say an M620 outguns those rides - jesus man it's not that lame.
Well unless physical laws don't appy to Ducati... two valve aircooled twin versus 4 valve water cooled....
Both claimed 60Hp according to the links below for Ninja 500 and 620M. Although in the real world the M620 would feel faster because it makes the power lower down.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/24july01ducatimonster620ie.html
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/buyersguide/Kawasaki-EX500-GPZ500S-Ninja500R-ZZ-R500.htm
I do know that my SV400 was much quicker than any M400 I ever met, a direct CC comparison isn't a good method of evaluation.
I noted a review recently on one of the US magazines, they actualy dared compare the latest 660 single cylinder KTM against the 696. There weren't that different. 696 slightly more horsepower and a wider rev range, the KTM more power lower down.
Its all quite subjective really, the recent DS1000 engined bike I rode actally felt better on the road than my S4Rs, up to about 6000RPM, typical road speeds the HP figures are pretty similar. After 6000rpm the power curves go in opposite directions however.
One of the guys I ride with has a SV650 and were pretty much even until we reach around 90-95, then he starts pulling off slowly. I would guess his top speed is around 120 and miine seems to start falling flat on it's face around there,which would explain why he's pulling away from me. All in all were pretty much even up to that point unless we add twisties to the mix , which gives me the advantage.
Then again ,I bought the little monster to have fun in the twisties. I'm not too worried about who's got the fastest bike . When I want to go faster, I jump on another bike.
FWIW: I find myself riding the Duc a lot more than the others.
Quote from: mihama01 on August 24, 2008, 05:52:54 AM
Both claimed 60Hp according to the links below for Ninja 500 and 620M. Although in the real world the M620 would feel faster because it makes the power lower down.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/24july01ducatimonster620ie.html
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/buyersguide/Kawasaki-EX500-GPZ500S-Ninja500R-ZZ-R500.htm
The ninja weighed in at 375 and the Duc at 389. So, the ninja has it there too, and low end torque aside, smaller engines rev faster=make more power faster. The ninja, in a straight line, should pull away from the duc.
Quote from: msincredible on August 23, 2008, 07:07:48 PM
People asked why I didn't take more pictures when I was riding it around Germany...it's because I could only stop somewhere flat. Try finding somewhere flat to pull over in the Alps! [cheeky]
[laugh]
Honda has a naked 599 which is essentially a CBR with-out panels.
I ride an 02 m750s pods, open exhaust, fuel modifier, 5 up on rear sprocket. I did my first track day about a month ago and got burned and I do mean burned by an instructor on a cafe cb 550(heard him say to another guy it made like 35-40 hp). I never looked at my speedo, but I'm certain that I had been riding way make the beast with two backsing faster than I ever had. Up until that day I had been talking all kinds of shit about a 900 swap, but now I think that my ride is plenty fast, it's me that needs to catch up.
Quote from: cbartlett419 on August 26, 2008, 10:25:10 AM
I ride an 02 m750s pods, open exhaust, fuel modifier, 5 up on rear sprocket. I did my first track day about a month ago and got burned and I do mean burned by an instructor on a cafe cb 550(heard him say to another guy it made like 35-40 hp). I never looked at my speedo, but I'm certain that I had been riding way make the beast with two backsing faster than I ever had. Up until that day I had been talking all kinds of shit about a 900 swap, but now I think that my ride is plenty fast, it's me that needs to catch up.
Nice story, I feel like I have a lot to improve on so it keeps me from craving the bigger engine. Don't get me wrong, I totally feel like my bike is all bark and no bite because it looks and sounds fast but in reality it isn't. I never feel underpowered on my bike, I just feel like it looks faster than it is and that makes me think it should be faster... In all honesty though I think I yearn more for the dry clutch than the actual extra horses... My bike has a few mods and has a good strong pull with the new exhaust but a little more power next year or the year after might be cool. I think my next bike might be a Sport Classic anyways, and I plan on keeping the 620. I'd love to post pics but everytime I do that someone crashes into me or the bike gets knocked over so I cannot afford to test my luck anymore with pic posting...
I track a fully faired SV650... if you trust the speedo... I tend to top out around 135.... of course I have to brake hard to hit turn 1 at the end of the straight away. The middle weight twin class has tons of SV650's in it... and one M750 with fairings from a 999.... but I have not seen any 620 / 695 / 696's out there racing. (Local racetrack... doesn't mean that they are not doing it elsewhere.) The 750 seems to heavy when I see it racing the sv's. I haven't noticed any breaking or accelleration issues on the SV... but it isn't a Ducati and will never win any good looks awards in my opinion. I do think my S2R was much better performing, but I never took it out on the track to find out... and my insurance company would have a seizure if I took my 848 on the track.
Why am I tracking an SV650? It is a ton of fun and its cheap... it cost me $3500 vs. the $3500 for the full exhaust on the 848.
no doubt the dry clutch is enticing, probably combats that of the increase in power in my mind. I get what you're saying about the visual/performance contrast. I always feel obligated to explain the difference in power from a gsxr750 when asked about the displacement of my bike.
pretty sure it can smoke a desmosedici
Isn't a 750 more or less the same power as a 620 because of the carb'd versus FI aspect?
For some reason I feel like I will not actually own any other brands anytime soon but I'd like to ride some others just to have a benchmark to compare mine to. The only other bike I rode was the Honda Nighthawk 250 at the MSF and I am pretty sure my bike smokes that...
Quote from: eesnas on August 26, 2008, 09:06:26 PM
Isn't a 750 more or less the same power as a 620 because of the carb'd versus FI aspect?
plus compression, cams, and valves, iirc...
Quote from: someguy on August 24, 2008, 09:08:35 AM
The ninja weighed in at 375 and the Duc at 389. So, the ninja has it there too, and low end torque aside, smaller engines rev faster=make more power faster. The ninja, in a straight line, should pull away from the duc.
also, you guys are using published data for comparison.
My S2R has a tail chop, a carbon fiber exhaust and straight pipes, no belt covers, swapped triple with a MotoWheels skeleton type and clipons, a cut airbox, and a few other bits. I seriously doubt it weighs remotely close to the published weight. It dynos at 77hp now.
Your 620 tops out at what, like 140? ;D
Quote from: msincredible on August 23, 2008, 07:07:48 PM
People asked why I didn't take more pictures when I was riding it around Germany...it's because I could only stop somewhere flat. Try finding somewhere flat to pull over in the Alps! [cheeky]
ahem.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/ManxKat/OverLookingLakeGeneva.jpg)
Overlooking Lake Geneva. My M1000 was fine with keeping up with my mates blade, up to 90mph anyway....
QuoteThe ninja weighed in at 375 and the Duc at 389. So, the ninja has it there too, and low end torque aside, smaller engines rev faster=make more power faster. The ninja, in a straight line, should pull away from the duc.
It doesn't. a buddy of mine had one and in a straight line roll on he would drop back He also had about a 75 lb weight advantage to boot.
QuoteI did my first track day about a month ago and got burned and I do mean burned by an instructor on a cafe cb 550(heard him say to another guy it made like 35-40 hp). I never looked at my speedo, but I'm certain that I had been riding way make the beast with two backsing faster than I ever had. Up until that day I had been talking all kinds of shit about a 900 swap, but now I think that my ride is plenty fast, it's me that needs to catch up.
+1 Happened to me too. It was a Suzuki GSX1400 in my case, that guy flew. The next time out I was determined, throttle to the stop at peak power.... it felt like a completely different bike all wheelies and thrashing handlebars, not long after I fell off ;D.
But it goes to show the rider is as important as the bike (or more so).