Anyone using the Bazazz system?

[Duc796canada]

Wow, that is lean! I like how the second run looks Spectrum, as was said, as long as the mapping improves the lean problem, can't expect too much from the air-cooled beast. I'm excitedly awaiting my Z-FI from Bazzzaz it was just shipped out yesterday , yee1

[Full_Spectrum]

Mate, I've had similar unreliable experiences when attempting to get meaningful results from a "pro" dyno  .  Took me several attempts to get my own Autotune efforts cross-checked (but even then there were problems which meant we couldnt do all that I hoped for)  .

In the end I concluded that the headline hp/tq numbers were academic, just so long as the thing is fuelling as well as can be.

I bought a wideband O2 AFR probe/gauge kit like this  >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Innovate-MTX-L-Wideband-O2-AFR-DIGITAL-Gauge-Kit-3844-/290591179416?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43a8958298&vxp=mtr <<  so that I can crosscheck what my autotune is "sniffing".  Not too pricey and worth it if you wanna know that the fuelling you're aiming for is whats being delivered.  Good IMO coz you're reading it on the fly in real world conditions. 

Yup- I have a Innovate LC1 for tuning my truck, but figured that I could use the bike stuff for this. Looks like not so much.
As long as it fuels well, I am ok with not having extracted the most possible power. I just dont have the time to invest in doing much else in this regard. Over next winter I will probably go through the engine and chasis, and that will be a better time to deal with this. For now, I want to ride in my spare time.
Now I am thinking about a 848 flywheel...

[gjsnyc]

Sorry to revive this but hopefully getting my hands on some M1100EVO Boomtubes in the immediate future <fingers crossed>.  This thread has served as quite the education but i am trying to summarize and see if i'm on track.

• First and foremost, the ECU needs to be reflashed (or replaced) in order to delete the closed loop (sub 4K).  Is this typically a $250 spend or can this be done cheaper?  Does this require shipping of the ECU or do/can some people flash on the spot?  Seems like you're removing the tank panels and gas tank either way but may be left without your bike for some time while your ECU is in transit.
• Options seem to be limited to PCV or Bazzazz.  Both have their pros and cons (with respect to cylinder specific mapping).  It is my understanding with the PCV, you take your bike to the dyno (extra spend) in order to calibrate correctly.  I'm unsure as to how this works with the Bazzazz.  I presume you still need to Dyno?  Does the tuner need to have Bazzazz capability? 
• Are there any other parts required?  With either system, do i still need to buy a Duc.EE in order not to get a CEL upon removal of the flapper motor?  Any thoughts on the Vizitec unit or are they effectively the same?

Thank you for your help.

[Full_Spectrum]

Sorry to revive this but hopefully getting my hands on some M1100EVO Boomtubes in the immediate future <fingers crossed>.  This thread has served as quite the education but i am trying to summarize and see if i'm on track.

• First and foremost, the ECU needs to be reflashed (or replaced) in order to delete the closed loop (sub 4K).  Is this typically a $250 spend or can this be done cheaper?  Does this require shipping of the ECU or do/can some people flash on the spot?  Seems like you're removing the tank panels and gas tank either way but may be left without your bike for some time while your ECU is in transit.
• Options seem to be limited to PCV or Bazzazz.  Both have their pros and cons (with respect to cylinder specific mapping).  It is my understanding with the PCV, you take your bike to the dyno (extra spend) in order to calibrate correctly.  I'm unsure as to how this works with the Bazzazz.  I presume you still need to Dyno?  Does the tuner need to have Bazzazz capability? 
• Are there any other parts required?  With either system, do i still need to buy a Duc.EE in order not to get a CEL upon removal of the flapper motor?  Any thoughts on the Vizitec unit or are they effectively the same?

Thank you for your help.

I felt that $250 for the ECU reflash was a decent deal, considering the investment in equipment needed to reflash ECU's is not small. In my case, Mota Lab was easy to deal with, and shipping was quick.
If you pull the ECU on Sunday evening, and Fedex it for $30, they will flash it and have it back before Friday.
I dont know if they offer a core exchange program.

If you ask them to do so, they will remove things like the o2 sensors, meaning no need for o2 optimizers of Duc.ee. Talk to them directly is my suggestion- as it always is. The forums are great for some stuff, but nothing is better than actually talking with people on the phone, imo.

But the PCV and BAzzaz have additional auto-tune or self-mapping modules, which again cost money. You best bet is to find a local, competent shop with a dyno and let them map it for you. Self-mapping works well, but nothing is better than a dyno tune- if the operator knows what they are doing.

Bottom line: Ducati's have crap fueling with stock and DP ECU. Period. You will not believe the difference in having your bike mapped with either the PCV or Bazzaz- the difference is dramatic. You will be kicking yourself for not doing it immediately.

[Duc796canada]

I felt that $250 for the ECU reflash was a decent deal, considering the investment in equipment needed to reflash ECU's is not small. In my case, Mota Lab was easy to deal with, and shipping was quick.
If you pull the ECU on Sunday evening, and Fedex it for $30, they will flash it and have it back before Friday.
I dont know if they offer a core exchange program.

If you ask them to do so, they will remove things like the o2 sensors, meaning no need for o2 optimizers of Duc.ee. Talk to them directly is my suggestion- as it always is. The forums are great for some stuff, but nothing is better than actually talking with people on the phone, imo.

But the PCV and BAzzaz have additional auto-tune or self-mapping modules, which again cost money. You best bet is to find a local, competent shop with a dyno and let them map it for you. Self-mapping works well, but nothing is better than a dyno tune- if the operator knows what they are doing.

Bottom line: Ducati's have crap fueling with stock and DP ECU. Period. You will not believe the difference in having your bike mapped with either the PCV or Bazzaz- the difference is dramatic. You will be kicking yourself for not doing it immediately.

Agreed! What a difference!!! How much smoother the bike feels!! I found even the exhaust sounds quieter(cleaner sounding and less Harley like), I had to check and see if I had a dropped a cylinder or something, hahaha!!

[ungeheuer]

..... but nothing is better than a dyno tune- if the operator knows what they are doing.

True.  If.

[rjmdavid]

Bazazz now making a system for the S4Rs - amazing difference !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   their tech support is second to none !!   Highly recommend it !!

[Stormtrooper]

Looking for an update on an old thread...

Only a couple people in this thread actually had first hand experience with the Bazzaz on the 696/796/1100 variants, I was hoping by now we may have compiled some more data?

Anyone else out there using Bazzaz with the new gen bikes?  I'd like to hear from you.  I'm also looking closely at the Z-Fi + QS (quickshifter) option they have.  Guys swear by the Bazzaz QS on different bikes but appears no one I can find has used this setup with a Monster.

[FiveG]

I have a ZFi on my 2012 1100EVO.   Totally changed the bike.  Before the low rpm (ie, below 3500) lurching had me anxious during lower speed turns on curves sections.  With the mod, it's smooth, the lurching is gone and its a happier bike from what I can tell.

Only downside:  mileage has gone to hell.  I get the low fuel light at about 75 miles when I'm doing a combination of curvey secondaries and maybe a little super slab.  It may be I'm running a little too rich, but so far I'm living with it.

[Barney]

 

Only downside:  mileage has gone to hell.  I get the low fuel light at about 75 miles when I'm doing a combination of curvey secondaries and maybe a little super slab.  It may be I'm running a little too rich, but so far I'm living with it.

i have the bazzaz for my evo and this is exactly what I was afraid of...need to take some time one weekend and actually get it in though...

[FiveG]

I may have another tuner look at the map and see if that can be improved.

[ManaloEA]

Only downside:  mileage has gone to hell.  I get the low fuel light at about 75 miles when I'm doing a combination of curvey secondaries and maybe a little super slab.  It may be I'm running a little too rich, but so far I'm living with it.

When i had my ecu reflashed, my mileage also dropped through the floor. So i ended up getting a PC-5 and autotune. The map i created had the bike run less rich with the throttle undr 20%, and RPM between 4,000 and 5,500 which is cruising speed. This way, i had smooth power delivery when i wanted it, and better mileage when i was not accelerating. Mileage went back up.

[Duc796canada]

So how is everyone doing with whatever piggy back system you chose? I'm loving my setup.

[Radracer6]

I had MW reflash, removal of valve and O2 sensors and now the Bazzaz ZFI self tuned. The bike runs like butter, no popping, pulls hard, even smooth down low