The Great Debate.......at least at my house right now.

[Cyclone]

[moto] Wow Chris - the debate at your house is amazing !   [moto]  

Echo ! 

[Slag]

[El Matador]

[Cyclone]

 

TOO FUNNY SLAG - !!       

[cdc]

I liked this one best.

cdc

[Slag]

Edited to protect the tragically thin skinned. No more PM's or texts on the subject please. I didn't realize that it was your kid.

[pipeliner1978]

wow....people are PM'ing you.... politically correctness is a mother make the beast with two backser
I wonder if Jesus got a PM for playing Jesus in that one pic from HC.....

[Cyclone]

  To quote DLS  " Move along, nothing to see here !! " !! OOps we're at CalsCrazy's house .. he makes the rules !!

[calscrazy]

[moto] Wow Chris - the debate at your house is amazing !   [moto]  I mention new motos I would like to have at great peril to my personal safety & always with loss of Kitchen Points (TM) by demerit !  Your woman aware of any of this discussion really ?  If so, I am envious !

yeah not quite as in depth. it's more my wife saying i can have one bike and she would prefer it be a bigger monster. however is say keep the monster and add a SBK. she will agree to this but she would prefer it be used don't ask why. she has been playing around on-line and found the 749, 999, and 998 matrix. her favorite would be the matrix but i think that is because she likes keanu reeves. she read reviews on the 999 where they said it was the greatest SBK built and that has her a little worried. she just doesn't want it to be something where i end up w/more bikes than i ride. NO OFFENSE BRIAN!!

[Cyclone]

her favorite would be the matrix but i think that is because she likes keanu reeves. 

     Sounds familiar !

she read reviews on the 999 where they said it was the greatest SBK built

Cyclonette read a moto review and get info ? That'll be the day !

[RichD]

...I wonder if Jesus got a PM for playing Jesus in that one pic from HC.....

You know -he probably did!

[pipeliner1978]

Holy hell chavez.......  are you serious, I gotta actually respond to this?
OK here goes....

I said your statement wasn't true because it isn't. Riding an R1, will never even begin to compare to riding a 600 cc duc. Granted, if you keep from being in the powerband, the R1 wont produce any real amount of HP, but unless you find a way to magically limit the bike to 8K rpm, it is inevitable to go into it. And anybody who buys a motorcycle with the express intent of lugging its engine, is a moron.

I never said it compared, I said it feels easier.  I believe I said "if", And I ride my R1 in town, through my neighborhood, etc... and I stay well under 8K         [whisper] not magic, throttle control 

I speak from experience as well. I have ridden a number of I-4's, from 600 cc bikes to literbikes, including an R1. In fact, my previous bike was indeed a CBR600. So I do know what it takes to ride an I-4 and what the riding experience equates to; and it is NOT the same as in a m600

Who said it was the same.....just stated that they are just as easy, if not easier.....

Maybe you should practice rev matching, or invest in a lightened flywheel. You'll see a world of difference with the engine braking, which isn't a bad thing IMHO. Engine braking allows you to have more control over how much speed you're carrying, and used properly, can be a very useful tool.

Thanks I'll practice that.  I'm just so new to riding that all this stuff is so hard to remember.

If you're going to get an I-4, just to ride it under 8K, just get a twin. It is just plain ridiculous to try to compare the power produced at the same engine speeds between both bikes. They're meant to be ridden differently and if you ride a bike any differently than you should because you don't feel comfortable on it, you have no business being on that bike.

I have both, but thanks for the insight 

Why would you need to?

And FYI, 600 monsters top out at 10.2 K

Most people need to ride under 8k  just saying....
If the M600 tops out at 10.2k, then I stand corrected.  I know the 696 peaks at 9k and the 695 peaks at 8.5k and my S4R peaks at 8.7k so I just figured it was under 9k, so I stand corrected it it does peak over 10k

And your point with this is?

was talking about riding under 8k, then you made an argument about riding over.........

That's funny, really. When you change a motorcycle because you're looking for something with more power, you ARE going to try and ride the new bike past the limitations of the old one, that's why you got it in the first place.

ummm.....did you miss the (at first) in my statement.


Here's the deal, I merely stated that riding the r1 is "to me" (and I think I have heard Bonwilder state the same) just as easy to ride as any v2 when you ride it in a lower rpm range.  And the I-4 600's actually feel even slower when you are in lower speed areas.  That's it.  Not "advocating" a beginner to go buy a liter bike.......  that's not smart. 

[calscrazy]

who cares about a 4 vs. a twin? 

donald, don't kid urself she doesn't really care about motorcycles and if she had her way there wouldn't be a one at my house. since it is an interest of mine she takes a lil' interest in it. she believes anything with full fairrings is a race bike. harleys are too loud. "why do all japenese bikes look the same" (her qoute not mine). i take some interest in some of her stuff just to return the kindness. she was wonderin what the ones i was lookin at looked like. she has seen the 848 in person at ams-a.

[pipeliner1978]

If you are gonna buy a Ducati SBK, I think the 848 is an awesome bike.  You can buy one used that still has warranty, not sure, but I think it puts out about the same power as a 999.  I personally think its better lookiing too. 

[cdc]

I wonder if Jesus got a PM for playing Jesus in that one pic from HC.....

I sent him one. 

No, I didn't.    J/K

cdc