bike starts and then not

[muskrat]

any updates?

cdc

not yet.  have a water leak under slate in bathroom so it's taken all my time so far.  although I have started it with no problems.  Today or tomorrow I should know more though.  one thing after another around here.

[Duc L'Smart]

Holla if ya need help

[vstryker]

i've had the exact same symptoms on my bike and i think its the immoblizer. check to see if yours does this whenever it doesn't start. before you start it, turn it to the ON position and check to see if the ORANGE immobilizer light stays on, if that stays on, it means the ecu does NOT recognize the key and will not start.

what i do is turn it off for a few seconds and turn it back on. sometimes i would have to do this 2-3 times. when i do this, the orange immobilizer light will go off and i can start it no problem.

im thinking of reprogramming the keys myself as i heard there is a special procedure for doing so. does anyone know how its done? apparently, you gotta use the red key with it

[cdc]

i've had the exact same symptoms on my bike and i think its the immoblizer. check to see if yours does this whenever it doesn't start. before you start it, turn it to the ON position and check to see if the ORANGE immobilizer light stays on, if that stays on, it means the ecu does NOT recognize the key and will not start.

what i do is turn it off for a few seconds and turn it back on. sometimes i would have to do this 2-3 times. when i do this, the orange immobilizer light will go off and i can start it no problem.

Good thought. 

In the 2002 ST4S saga, the immobilizer was never the problem. I don't know if the Monster had an immobilizer in 2002  but if it did, it could be the culprit in this case. 

im thinking of reprogramming the keys myself as i heard there is a special procedure for doing so. does anyone know how its done? apparently, you gotta use the red key with it

you're right, you need the red key to do that.  If you do have you Red key, ask AMS or Eurosport Cycle in Fort Worth they might be able to give you the procedure.

[vstryker]

Ok, so my bike will not start with the same problem again. when i tried to use the red key to reprogram the other keys, it will not go into the REPROGRAMMING mode at all. the red key now acts exactly the same as the other 2 black keys, the bike doesn't seem to recognize it as the Master RED key.

the only way i can start the bike now is by using the throttle twist code with the code card. help please...

[Samsonite]

Warranty?

if so.....use it!

[cdc]

Wouldn't you know it, now my Monster 1000S won't start.  All the lights come on and the fuel pump comes on but when you hit the start button nada.  No nothing won't even crank.  I put the bike on a Battery Tender and the battery read 12.9 volts.  Made sure the kill switch was not accidentally in the kill position and the bike not in gear.

Then as I was writing this,  I thought maybe the side stand switch is screwy.  I ran down to the bike and flipped the kick stand and wouldn't you know, it started.    

Now I know what's wrong, I'll have to firgure out why it went wrong. 

I need a cigar and a beer.   

cdc

[Slag]

I need a cigar and a beer.   

cdc

Feel free to join me. I am doing just that 

[cdc]

Feel free to join me. I am doing just that 

Ah, great minds and all that....

Flash Mob?

cdc

[Slag]

There is always time for a flash mob 

[cdc]

There is always time for a flash mob 

I should get a Playstation or WII before I do a flash mob. 

I should clean my garage before I invite peeps to the house. 

I should put the beer in the fridge and get some food.

We could play darts and shoot pool.

You coming?

cdc

[Slag]

I am drun andshouldnotdrive 

[cdc]

I am drun andshouldnotdrive 

Enjoy the cigar then.

cdc

[cdc]

Wouldn't you know it, now my Monster 1000S won't start.  All the lights come on and the fuel pump comes on but when you hit the start button nada.  No nothing won't even crank.  I put the bike on a Battery Tender and the battery read 12.9 volts.  Made sure the kill switch was not accidentally in the kill position and the bike not in gear.

Then as I was writing this,  I thought maybe the side stand switch is screwy.  I ran down to the bike and flipped the kick stand and wouldn't you know, it started.    

Now I know what's wrong, I'll have to firgure out why it went wrong. 

I need a cigar and a beer.   

cdc

More on this saga....

So the bike didn't want to start with the kickstand down but did start with it up.  I asked Les over at EuroSport what the problem could be and he asked me if the green light for neutral was on and initially I said yes because I was able to move the bike around and I know it was not in gear.

Then he asked " but in which Neutral was it in?"  I thought it was just Les asking confusing questions again.  But I realized that although I could move the bike around, the green light was in fact not on.  So I walked to the bike and with the kickstand down, I turned the key and with the green Neutral light on, the bike fired right up. 

Whoa.  So it is now possible to start the bike up with the kickstand down as long as the green neutral light is on and the bike in true Neutral.  Back to normal.    

Possible problem, Neutral switch located behind the crankcase breather with a thin insulated wire coming off the back of the case to the rear of the vertical cylinder.

Another lesson learned.

cdc

[RichD]

...Possible problem, Neutral switch located behind the crankcase breather...

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly where on the shift drum this switch indexes, but it must be easy for it to either gum up due to sludge/gunk or it doesn't have a really accurate place to detect the drum position.

It's always bugged me -the inconsistent neutral light "thing" on Ducs.

It's nothing new, but by now (you know, in the last ten years or so) I would have figured they would have addressed it.