New!! CarbonDry PROTEC Coating Service!!! Cmon modders, this will inspire you.

Started by BellissiMoto, January 19, 2009, 01:15:02 PM

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herm

Quote from: BellissiMoto on January 22, 2009, 08:39:31 AM
Value is measured in more terms than mere performance.

Look at OCC Choppers, or drive through the hood and look at the 1986 Cutlass worth 150$ with 6,000$ 28" rims, jacked up, and painted for some odd reason like a Sprite can, even though they aren't paid advertisements...

As for me personally, I do see value in the service, and I could see myself having items like a Frame, Subframe, Front fairing stay, Wheels, and Swingarm done in such a fashion (that is of course, when I could afford it, and it would not be my first priority, as I am not super well off).

fail.
back to salesman school for you
Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty, and the pigs like it...

Raux

ok, i think i've got to say something here.

One of our SPONSORS, put forth a product that is unique for us to look over and possibly purchase as mods to make our bike unique.

A lot have taken personal shots at the sponsor. not cool. 

the product itself is questionable as to its value vs performance, but as he said value is an owners perogative.

Bellisimoto has won a competition with his 1098, so it's not like he doesn't know anything.

WHEN someone does this coating, please report back on it's value/effect/performance. I'm sure someone eventually will.

BUT maybe next time the sponsor can post this in his section so as to keep it as a source for people who are looking for it, to avoid the tomato throwing crowd.

COWBOY

Quote from: Raux on January 24, 2009, 12:57:47 AM
ok, i think i've got to say something here.

One of our SPONSORS, put forth a product that is unique for us to look over and possibly purchase as mods to make our bike unique.

A lot have taken personal shots at the sponsor. not cool. 

the product itself is questionable as to its value vs performance, but as he said value is an owners perogative.

Bellisimoto has won a competition with his 1098, so it's not like he doesn't know anything.

WHEN someone does this coating, please report back on it's value/effect/performance. I'm sure someone eventually will.

BUT maybe next time the sponsor can post this in his section so as to keep it as a source for people who are looking for it, to avoid the tomato throwing crowd.


1.  Being a SPONSOR doesn't mean your claims are spared from criticism.
2.  Dubious claims will be responded to and "discussed" just as they are throughout the rest of the site.
3.  OP asked for feedback and "ideas".   Probably didn't like the response but feedback and "ideas" is what he got.
4.  95% of the posts here have commented on the perceived value or lack there in.  I've only seen one personal shot and that was not well received.

Lighten up, Francis.     ;D

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dbran1949

Quote from: MrIncredible on January 23, 2009, 05:07:23 PM
I would avoid that with something structural like a wheel rim. There's no proper way of knowing what strength it is at after. Buy a carbon fiber wheel.

This is why I asked the OP. One of the claims is increased strength of coated part

ghosthound

honestly, this product is pretty cool.  Heck monsters are a blending of style and performance and many of us have mods that are more show than go. 

The idea of the product is good... making CF looking parts that would otherwise be impossible.  The downside is the cost... if this were a local (as in USA) shop that could do the work, im sure it would cost significantly less and more people would be jumping aboard. 

I would consider doing it to my swingarm but just not at this price.

BellissiMoto

Quote from: ghosthound on January 24, 2009, 03:10:14 PM

The idea of the product is good... making CF looking parts that would otherwise be impossible.  The downside is the cost... if this were a local (as in USA) shop that could do the work, im sure it would cost significantly less and more people would be jumping aboard. 


Not a lot of production jobs appear to be cheaper to perform in the states, then outside of them.

Anyways, I appreciate all the feedback I received, good or bad, you guys can argue all you want about etiquette, my approach, where I posted, etc... But the fact of the matter is I have got you all talking and thinking about this new product, and some love it while others hate it (or simply say its stupid cause they can't afford it).


BellissiMoto

Quote from: dbran1949 on January 24, 2009, 01:15:34 PM
This is why I asked the OP. One of the claims is increased strength of coated part

Yes, the strength of any item coated with CarbonDry will increase.

It is not realistically possible to know how much of an increase it will have on every item, and I don't think anyone of you would complain if it only increased the strength of your wheels by 50-200%, as opposed to the 300-500% increase it can give to a straight aluminum bar (think brackets, frames, swingarms, etc... are often made of simple, relatively straight lengths of aluminum).

BellissiMoto

Quote from: Raux on January 24, 2009, 12:57:47 AM
WHEN someone does this coating, please report back on it's value/effect/performance. I'm sure someone eventually will.

Thank you for your post,

We have just shipped out the passenger rearsets from our Ducati 1098 to have coated in this material, and we will be sending out a customers 1098 swingarm next week.

We will naturally post up several pictures when they come back.

mitt

Cool process.  I could see its value in the right application.

It would be very hard to predict how this process would change a parts stiffness or strength - too many variables - without doing some comparative controlled deflection & failure testing.

mitt

Triple J

Quote from: BellissiMoto on January 25, 2009, 09:18:21 AM
and we will be sending out a customers 1098 swingarm next week.


That should look cool. Can't wait to see a pic.  [thumbsup]

ghosthound

Quote from: BellissiMoto on January 25, 2009, 09:12:12 AM
Not a lot of production jobs appear to be cheaper to perform in the states, then outside of them.




im more concerned with the shipping costs. Especially the larger items.

BellissiMoto

Quote from: ghosthound on January 25, 2009, 06:04:24 PM
im more concerned with the shipping costs. Especially the larger items.

Your frame, round trip ~ 120-150$