Should I cop it sweet?

[Dannog]

To add to Ita's response, this is the letter I wrote for my Wife (it will never work for me  )
It will work every time. There is actually a guideline published regarding requesting leniency for traffic offenses and what you can get off for.


Office of State Revenue



RE Infringement Notice:


To Whom it may Concern,

I am writing to contest a speeding ticket issued to me on blah blah blah. I have been advised to write to you to contest this ticket. For ten years my driving record has been perfect and this was just a momentary lapse of judgement. I would appreciate this if I were given another chance. I promise you, if I am ever caught speeding again, I will take my punishment. However, it is my intention to always drive within the speed limits posted.

Thanking you for your consideration.




Names and Address

[White Lion]

This happened in NSW........
I was stopped for 20+ over in a double demerit period.
He wrote a penalty for 10 to 15 over after he did a check on my licence.
I wrote a letter to the Police commissioner asking for a warning because I was a model citizen
Took about 6 months, got a warning, no fine, no points but it is on my licence as a warning for 15 over.


If you go to court you have a 50/50 chance of getting a 'section 10', offence recorded but no penalty (no fine, can't remember if you still get the points).
If you hire a solicitor/lawyer it might cost more than the fine.
Worst outcome is you lose. You pay court costs, was $68, on top of fine.

If you go to court the magistrate could be Pat O'Shane you'll get awarded damages for pain & suffering

Section 10 still takes your points. RTA controls the point side of it, court doesn't have a say.....After court, you have to write a letter to the RTA informing then of the outcome, they will then decide if you can keep your points.

And careful with O'Shane, she has a reputation, but lately she's been smashing some individuals. Including, two weeks ago, a speeding motorist.

I always think, if you know you did it - pay up -Nothing worse than someone who can't admit when they're wrong. If you honestly believe that you're being hard done by though, then fight it. Fare's fare.     

[FIFO]

My interpretation of what you are saying is that when you came upon another vehicle travelling below the speed limit you slowed accordingly. The trailing vehicle (who had been following for some time at a safe distance) started tailgating in an intimidating fashion. As it was late at night and you were vulnerably exposed on a motorbike and concerned for your safety you assessed your options and decided the best course of action was to create space. Besides you are experienced enough to know how these things can turn out ... and you, the Innocent party, would more than likely bear the brunt of the carelessness of others. It was the safest thing to do.

How's that? Pretty close?

Good stuff Betty your the master of bullshit
I will save that plus a few others from here for future reference.
Hopefully i won't need it
Do you write this stuff on a professional basis if needed

[Jukie]

yes Mark is very good at professional writing, he can go on and on for about 100 pages of nothingless stuff

[dragonworld.]

yes Mark is very good at professional writing, he can go on and on for about 100 pages of nothingless stuff

Must've been to Uni and had to do those Bullshit Theses on nothing in particular.   

[Jukie]

that would be it Dragon got it in one, but he was good before then too

[wayne800]

Dez, if you're in NSW I'm sure you will get off this one based on your clean record of 10 years.

All Gov't departments have guidelines for their staff for giving clemency (I know 'cause I work for one). I've seen the list for traffic matters but didn't save it because none applied to me  . I do remember that in NSW the best excuse to avoid a traffic fine/points is a clean driving record (no infringements in 10 years).

You just need to write in, give a plausible explanation why you were speeding on that one occasion and ask for forgiveness based on your good record. I have a mate who did and it worked no problems 

[Serious Groper]

I wrote in and got off.

I said i was happy to pay the fine but dnot to lose the points (they cant actually split they need to do both). They let me off.

[mattyvas]

Not a good story Dez.
It's a hard one to contemplate.
Recently I got a speed camera fine for 3 points and just $100 or so bucks.
I wasn't too worried about the coin cause it was pretty minor but more concerned about points and insurance.
I too hadn't had a speeding ticket in about 16-18yrs. It was a very small infringement 62k's in a 50 zone.
In the end I figured we have all bend our fair share of speed limits in the fun bits up the old road or RNP and Mac Pass
that I'd just cop the small-ish fine and points and call it even.

In your case though the fact that you were tailed until they felt it necessary to pull you over.
To me sometimes when you are given a lesser fine and speeding range it smacks of them not really knowing exactly
what speed you were doing.

Remember poor Stu who got done up North while on his L's that was certainly not a real reading.

[748s]

...>And careful with O'Shane,....<

She's going the other way now, nice change.

[dragonworld.]

Gotta love Government Ministers and bureaucrats and their errr, umm, FLEXIBILITY in adapting to political ebbs and flows.

There wouldnt be an election coming up in NSW soon by any chance hmmm?? (Yep, yer right, this question IS oozing cynicism!!  )

[Betty]

Master of bullshit, ha!

Professional ... what!?

Reeks of character assassination ... hang on that would mean I have character ... hmmm, well at least I can confirm that I did not do a thesis (took an extra subject in lieu)

Master of bullshit, geez ... where do you guys come up with this stuff     

[White Lion]

She's going the other way now, nice change.

Maybe it was the drink driving charge she faced..... 

[loony888]

in my experience dealing with the fuzz, and there has been a fair bit of it, especially with the back block hillbillies up this way, it ALL depends on the conversation between you and the officer before he wrote you up. you can write all the grovelling letters you like, but if you made an admission in that conversation when you were pulled up? you're screwed. Worth remembering, everything the officer says to you is carefully scripted to elicit an admission, everything. think very carefully before you answer anything, and don't lose your head, too late now but next time, deny, deny, deny! if he says "do you have any reason for speeding?" answering no is an admission, you need to immediately clarify your position with something along the lines of "i wasn't speeding, sir" to which he will fall into his standard speil with various questions, again, all designed to get you to admit to the offence. Quite often, they don't have enough "evidence" to successfully prosecute you if you do take it to court and RELY on your admission to seal your fate. they may get a speed reading but it needs to read the same speed twice and lock it on an in test date piece of equipment, they also have to be able to produce the certificate of test if asked, otherwise that is just an indicator and your admission is the clincher.

paul.

[Dannog]

IMHO you have got to give it a try

If you don't then your record is no longer clear and you won't be able to use the excuse of a clean record for leniency.

You have nothing to loose. If you don't get let off you can always choose to go to court then.