College Football 2010

metallimonster · January 12, 2011, 08:50:49 AM

Dude, do you really think not getting Harbaugh or Miles was about money? It's about Michigan being a shit job and at this point a very bad program.

I think Hoke is the best coach you could have got right now. If Blue fans think your going to be competing for a Big Ten title anytime soon then they are smoking crack.

They said Carr left RR with nothing but RR really is leaving absolutely nothing for Hoke. You can scrap all of the small o-lineman and "speed" players that RR had starting along with any good recruits. The next 2 years the team is going to be fielding true freshman and crappy upperclassman. At this point Michigan has the 47th ranked recruiting class and it's going to get worse with decommits.

As to the NC I disagree because both teams looked bad on offense which was their strength during the year. No one expected a defensive struggle like that which made for a good game but I would love to see what either of those teams would have looked like against a good defense like TCU's or OSU's.

I just hope Hoke gets enough time but I doubt that happens. It's going to be years before Michigan is good again.

ZLTFUL · January 12, 2011, 12:22:29 PM

You seem to forget the not so distant past...you know...when Ohio State was looking for a coach and not doing so great. They settled for Tressel their 3rd choice who was coaching at I-AA Youngstown State and look where they are now.
To say Michigan is a shit job is pure arrogance from an Ohio State fan. Saving college football's winningest program (Yeah...we still got that one on ya...don't go getting all butthurt all over again please) would be one hell of a resume addition no matter what you say.

But hey...you're right. Just like every other Ohio State fan thinks they are. You need to look to guys like Chizik (2-10 when he left Iowa State 2 years ago and this year, National Champions) or perhaps Pete Carroll...USC thought of him as the last choice and he led them to a NC...Bob Stoops...a nobody assistant who has done spectacular things.

Fact is, nobody knows what next season will bring until next season is here. But you keep on having those delusions of grandeur that Ohio State is so famous for. Yeah...you beat the 4th best team in the SEC...bravo for you. That's like saying you won the 7th place fishing trophy. Nobody really cares.

metallimonster · January 12, 2011, 01:08:28 PM

There is a little bit of a difference between a coach who had won 4 national titles in 7 years at a school and then came to division one than one that does not have a winning record. I wonder if it is harder to win a National Title in division 2 or win 7 games at SDSU? Or how about win a MAC championship- oh wait Hoke didn't do that either. As I said previously I think Hoke is the best coach you could get not in the only coach but as the best fit for the job. I think he is going to do just fine there. Big Difference in the situation between when Tress took the job and now for Hoke. Ohio State was still getting good recruiting classes and doing quite well we just couldn't beat Michigan under Cooper. Quite often in the 90s that was our only loss for a season. I was purely saying that Michigan needs to be patient if this is their guy because winning will not be easy with the players and recruiting RR left. If Michigan isn't a bad job right now than why didn't Miles go? He takes so much crap at LSU and would prefer that over trying to turn around his Alma Matter. Says everything to me.

I hope Hoke makes the wolverines relevant again. That is the best thing for our conference and the rivalry that at this point is just another game. Pretty funny that Hoke won't have an apperance at the BB game tonight because last time RR got heckled and they kicked a bunch of OSU fans out (and later apologized) for holding up signs with the number of days since your last win over OSU. I will say I listened to Hoke's presser today and he really seems to get it so

Pot calling the kettle black for a Michigan Fan to call a Buckeye fan arrogant. Take the first 25 years of college football off the books (when it was not a big or important sport) and tell me where Michigan stands in the all time wins column compared to Ohio State.
Since 1914 OSU has the best winning % in FBS while Michigan is #4. You have us by 2 wins but have 22 more losses in this time span (Michigan has played 14 more games OSU 10 more ties).

What did Michigan do against the 6th best SEC team? Oh yeah got the shit beat out of them. Tressell has more Big Ten wins in the Big House than Michigan does in the past 3 years.

Let's compare what place each team finished in this year.

ZLTFUL · January 12, 2011, 03:49:47 PM

Yeah. Let's adjust timelines to fit your agenda. LOL.

Anyway, I am done with this conversation. I present valid points and you dismiss them out of hand because of your OBVIOUSLY vastly superior team and school. Enjoy that pedestal.

ZLTFUL · January 12, 2011, 03:51:39 PM

As an aside, Michigan's 2008 recruiting class was ranked 7th in the nation while the 2009 was ranked 9th. Hardly what I would consider "poor recruiting classes". But you're right.

metallimonster · January 12, 2011, 06:52:18 PM

Dude, your doing the same thing so whatever. I think I'm making some pretty valid points about the future of Michigan football and really not hating on the hire but take it how you want it man. If using facts to back up my argument is dismissing yours than I must be confused on what debate is. If anyone is dismissing the others points its you. What point did you make that I dismissed. You haven't responded to one of my points with any real information.

To me and most CFB analysts the situation at Michigan right now is not the same as at OSU and Tressell was certainly a proven coach before he was hired. He also wasn't the third choice like you say. I certainly wasn't insulting you personally but then again I'm just really arrogant so I may have missed it. By the way the Buckeyes are OBVIOUSLY superior right now. We've won 9/10 against Michigan with 6 in a row, have 6 Big Ten championships in a row and been in 9 BCS bowls winning 6 while Michigan is having the worst 3 years of their entire program. At least if you have Robinson that is unless he leaves.

Those are recruiting classes with Rich Rod type players. Nowhere did I talk about previous recruiting classes only the one coming up which is really bad and full of the wrong type of players. Obviously Hoke isn't going to want small quick lineman and option QB's. He runs a more pro-style offense. Which I said multiple times (that the players aren't the right type).

Sorry I wanted to compare football that is relevant today instead of football in the 1800's where they didn't even pass. I was using the same information that all major stats are compared to.

You call me butt hurt but you sure seem so. I definitely enjoy my pedastal up here at the top of the Big Ten. It make the beast with two backsing sucked when Michigan was ruining my teams season every year. I'm sure you weren't enjoying that at all. When your team can beat anyone in the top half of the conference then well see won't we. You can just keep hoping that it is 1896 or 1996.

duccarlos · January 13, 2011, 06:20:02 PM

Are you guys really fighting about teams in Michigan and Ohio? I think those schools should pay the students for having to live in those states.

metallimonster · January 14, 2011, 05:04:32 AM

Quote from: duccarlos on January 13, 2011, 06:20:02 PM
Are you guys really fighting about teams in Michigan and Ohio? I think those schools should pay the students for having to live in those states.

Why do you think we take it so seriously?

Nothing else to do!

duccarlos · January 14, 2011, 07:08:52 AM

Yeah, but Ryan was smart enough to move to a different state.

Triple J · January 14, 2011, 08:27:41 AM

This video just confirms what I was yelling at the TV during the NC game:

Dyer Was Down: A Comparative Forensic Analysis

Not to say OR would have won, but the game likely would have went to OT. Ah well...that's football.

metallimonster · January 14, 2011, 09:44:48 AM

Are you surprised that the SEC gets the call their way?

The rules don't apply to them.

Triple J · January 14, 2011, 10:14:47 AM

Quote from: metallimonster on January 14, 2011, 09:44:48 AM
Are you surprised that the SEC gets the call their way?

The rules don't apply to them.

Part of me wants to agree with you because I hate the east coast bias...but OSU did get the correct call in their game against an SEC team.

I don't understand that rule in college anyway (allowing a runner to lay on the defender and not be down). It doesn't make any sense in college since a runner is down when he falls, regardless of whether a defender touches him or not. Seems like a bit of a double standard.

But then again, I don't see why a receiver (NFL or college) has to maintain posession in the end zone after a catch after hitting the ground, when someone running into the end zone only has to break the plane and the play is dead.

It seems that as soon as a foot (or two) is down in the end zone and possession after the reception is demonstrated the play should also be dead.

metallimonster · January 14, 2011, 10:28:58 AM

To be fair you are correct. They did score on the next play but that could have been a very controversial call. In fact I would say that Williams wasn't down because he kind of rolled and they deserved the TD while Dyer was easily down and didn't deserve the extra yards.

Basically what you are suggesting is right. Why is it that the only time a player is not "Down" is if they are on top of someone. If he would have just fallen down standing he would have been down. Weird to me too.

I completely agree with the endzone rules too. A guy can be stretching out, break the plane and fumble and it is good but not if they are in the middle of the end zone. Makes no sense.

ryandalling · January 14, 2011, 01:07:26 PM

Quote from: Triple J on January 14, 2011, 08:27:41 AM
This video just confirms what I was yelling at the TV during the NC game:

Dyer Was Down: A Comparative Forensic Analysis

Not to say OR would have won, but the game likely would have went to OT. Ah well...that's football.

I think we all would have loved OT... I am a huge OR fan... And thought he wasn't down... But seeing that replay and the call in the Arkansas game... His wrist was down... The two plays should have been called the same.... Either both players get the call or neither...oh well... The game is over... Cam is going to the draft for fear of more evidence coming out and once again OR gets screwed by the NCAA.... (Nebraska going to the big game in 2001 instead of ducks.) we Duck fans have learned to be bitter. But at least we enjoy it.

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