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Started by kopfjäger, December 26, 2010, 12:58:36 AM

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Drjones

#120
June 13, 2012, 09:24:14 AM
The article title is: "Running on Empty.  As oil prices soar, a simple formula may determine which energy options are worth pursuing."  One of their many conclusions is that ethanol is not worth pursuing;  EROI < 5; < 2 actually for corn based ethanol.
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#121
June 15, 2012, 07:53:14 PM
Praise Budda, I still get alcohol free gas one mile from my house and now several other places within 5-20 miles on the way to work and back.  I mix half and half 87 and 93. Works great.
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hunduc

#122
October 01, 2012, 09:22:21 AM
There is a fast expanding company here in upstate new york called fastrac. It looks like lately they started to switch to ethanol free premium (91). More and more of their stations pop up on the pure-gas website list. Let's hope this trend continues. (Now I have 3 gas stations on my daily route!)

cokey

#123
October 01, 2012, 10:52:06 AM
Doubt they'll come close to the city..
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#124
October 01, 2012, 04:35:09 PM
I've found gas stations in eastern TN that have the basic three (87, 91, 93) with 10% ethanol, BUT have a second, nozzle for 100% 87 unleaded.  It's only a few cents more than Ethanol 87.

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#125
October 01, 2012, 05:25:54 PM
Quote from: Drjones on June 13, 2012, 09:24:14 AM
The article title is: "Running on Empty.  As oil prices soar, a simple formula may determine which energy options are worth pursuing."  One of their many conclusions is that ethanol is not worth pursuing;  EROI < 5; < 2 actually for corn based ethanol.

I'm not a fan of corn based ethanol, but there again the idea was to use corn ethanol to pave the way for cellulosic ethanol. Unfortunately cellulosic ethanol is still being developed and is no where near ready for commercial production
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kopfjäger

#126
October 01, 2012, 05:27:46 PM
I'm so glad most all of the stations here are ethanol free.
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Curmudgeon

#127
October 01, 2012, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 01, 2012, 05:27:46 PM
I'm so glad most all of the stations here are ethanol free.

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#128
October 01, 2012, 07:09:14 PM
Quote from: Curmudgeon on October 01, 2012, 06:58:40 PM
Heart of WHERE in Dixie?!  ;)

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ducatiz

#129
October 01, 2012, 07:18:51 PM
Quote from: Greg on October 01, 2012, 05:25:54 PM
I'm not a fan of corn based ethanol, but there again the idea was to use corn ethanol to pave the way for cellulosic ethanol. Unfortunately cellulosic ethanol is still being developed and is no where near ready for commercial production

Brazilians have been using 100% ethanol for years produced from cane.  The difference is that they have vehicles designed for it, not gasoline vehicles forced to use it.

Make it from snail turds for all I care, just allow the driver of a gasoline-only vehicle to get "G100"..  Blender pumps should be the standard.  Choose 0% up to 10% for cars nowadays or up to 100% for ehtanol cars.
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#130
October 01, 2012, 07:26:46 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on October 01, 2012, 07:18:51 PM
Choose 0% up to 10% for cars nowadays or up to 100% for ehtanol cars.

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kopfjäger

#131
October 01, 2012, 08:49:53 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on October 01, 2012, 07:18:51 PM
Brazilians have been using 100% ethanol for years produced from cane.  The difference is that they have vehicles designed for it, not gasoline vehicles forced to use it.

So, all vehicle's imported to Brazil, Ferrari, Porsche, Audi, Ducati etc etc etc are made specially for Ethanol?????
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Howie

#132
October 02, 2012, 04:02:44 AM
I think all that is available (excluding diesel fuels) that is available is E20 up to E 100.  Ducati also does sell motorcycles there.  What are they doing about fuel tanks?  There may be a solution for us.  

ducatiz

#133
October 02, 2012, 06:01:50 AM
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 01, 2012, 08:49:53 PM
So, all vehicle's imported to Brazil, Ferrari, Porsche, Audi, Ducati etc etc etc are made specially for Ethanol?????

No.  Gasoline is still available but Brazil has a large domestic car industry and makes them.  VW Brasil makes most of the VW s in the USA too.

Import taxes on cars in Brazil make them very expensive too while domestic made cars are very cheap.
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