News:

Welcome to the DMF

 

Ask for vet bill to be paid or leave it alone?

Started by hbliam, June 07, 2011, 05:11:18 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

RAT900

Quote from: Jacob on June 07, 2011, 11:46:26 PM
call it a life debt

his dog bit your dog

you saved his dogs life by not killing it

his dog owes you a life debt

servitude until the debt can be repaid

simple



ROFLMAO!!  Canine Indentured servitude...brilliant


OK find a Jack Russell Rescue org in your area/region or maybe outside your area/region.

This dog needs to be rescued from a real asshole

Pack it up and deliver it

Throwing a dog out in a fenced in yard and not checking on it regularly is sloppy ownership at best

any dog worth its salt will always be probing the perimeter for weak spots or tunneling potential

This is an insult to the Pez community

psycledelic

Quote from: ducatiz on June 07, 2011, 07:10:24 PM
Get some dog mace and spray the shit out of the dog every time he comes around.  He'll stop.  He won't like it but if he's loose and attacking people/dogs, that's the downside.

Yep, +1.  Go Rambo, the Dog Whisperer on her.  I bet you only have to spray him once, well maybe twice.  Those little dogs can be relentless.  

As for your crossbow wielding neighbor, your best defense is to present yourself as a little crazier then him.  Before you mace his pooch, yell "HELLO Jackie!", and spray away.  The dog should associate your words with being maced.  Then, the next time you cross paths with your neighbor and his dog, and he says, "what the hell u doin' to my dog?", look down and in a sexy voice say, "Hello Jackie".  The dog will run like it's ass is on fire.  Look at your neighbor and say, "whatever do you mean?"
06 S2R800 - the wife                         [Dolph]
04 999s - the mistress

The Architect

I don't think this is  a case of who's going to pay the $150.

My concern would be, who is going to get hurt next and how bad.  Will the dog attack another dog, a neighbor or a child? 



The pepper spray is a good idea.  It should help minimize future damage. 

fastwin

Still getting my vote for the pepper spray. [thumbsup]
I plan to list the Federal Gov't. as a dependent on my next 1040 tax filing!

I have flying honey badgers and I'm not afraid to use them!

The fact that flame throwers exist is proof that someone somewhere said "I'd sure like to set those people over there on fire but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

CONFIDENCE: the feeling you have right before you understand the situation.

sbrguy

#34
Quote from: hbliam on June 07, 2011, 05:28:11 PM
He has a chain, a fence, a backyard, etc. The dog is a Houdini. After one incident he said, "We all can't be as good as you about keeping your dog in it's yard."  

I've been patient because I know how it is to live with a bad neighbor so close. And did I mention he's a bit crazy? He has killed at least one possum with his crossbow, shot an arrow through another neighbors side gate (with kids in the backyard), and had to go to court after he tackled a 12 year old that flipped him off?

tell him to keep his dog in his own yard or you will take care of it.. he has to know you are LEO so he will listen to you if you tell him there will be consequences next time.

unlike the rest of us you can threaten him and he knows if he threatens you back he will have major problems on his hand.   [leo]

triangleforge

Would the $150 be better spent improving his fence or building a dog run? Though I've never had a JRT and know a dog bred to be smart, energetic and phenomenally good at digging presents some special challenges, it doesn't sound to me like he's trying all that hard to be "as good as you" at keeping the dog on his property. If you present him with a clear choice of paying this bill (and make it clear he's on the hook for any further damages to people, pets or property) or putting the money into better fencing, he might see the logic of finally getting serious about stopping the problem at its source.

In the meantime, I'd say mace or pepper spray is an appropriate stopgap, especially since you've gone through actual training in how to use it.

And while I'd agree that this guy sounds like a piss-poor dog owner, sadly, taking the dog out of his possession just invites him to get another one. Unfortunately, it's pretty easy for anyone to acquire a dog, especially one with even more extreme behavior issues that this one (I'm talking about the dog, but I guess extreme behavior issues applies to the owner, too).
By hammer and hand all arts do stand.
2000 Cagiva Gran Canyon

Triple J

Quote from: ducatiz on June 07, 2011, 08:32:50 PM
I wouldn't tase a dog. 

It was a joke.  ;) I wouldn't taze a dog.

After pepper spraying it maybe get him a brochure for the electronic dog fences too.

ducatiz

Quote from: triangleforge on June 08, 2011, 08:58:34 AM
Would the $150 be better spent improving his fence or building a dog run? Though I've never had a JRT and know a dog bred to be smart, energetic and phenomenally good at digging presents some special challenges, it doesn't sound to me like he's trying all that hard to be "as good as you" at keeping the dog on his property. If you present him with a clear choice of paying this bill (and make it clear he's on the hook for any further damages to people, pets or property) or putting the money into better fencing, he might see the logic of finally getting serious about stopping the problem at its source.

$150 would get you about 10 feet long of fencing (incl labor), I imagine his yard is longer than that.
Check out my oil filter forensics thread!                     Offended? Click here
"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

Bladecutter

The only problem I see with pepper spraying the dog is what happens if it then runs into the street while blind to get away from you, and gets hit by a car? What legal liability have you then picked up with that action, and ensuing reaction?

Not to mention, your dog will most likely get some on it too, and you will have just as much fun treating your animal afterwards.

Best bet is to get the dog into the hands of animal control.
The guy probably can't afford to bail it out, nor get another one.

BC.

ducatiz

Quote from: Bladecutter on June 08, 2011, 10:01:25 AM
The only problem I see with pepper spraying the dog is what happens if it then runs into the street while blind to get away from you, and gets hit by a car? What legal liability have you then picked up with that action, and ensuing reaction?

none.

if a dog is threatening you or your dog, you can shoot it dead with no legal liability.  if anything arises from pepper spraying the dog, it will fall on the owner for not restraining the dog. 

even if the dog runs into the street and causes an accident for someone trying to avoid it, if you are sued, you will have easy recourse to dump the suit on the dog's owner for being irresponsible.

Check out my oil filter forensics thread!                     Offended? Click here
"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

DucofWestwood

Quote from: Dan on June 07, 2011, 05:17:40 PM
Buy him a dog chain, show him the bill, and tell him you're at the end of your patience and generosity

i think the first reply was the best one ... i edited it slightly since you said he already has a chain for the dog.  choose whichever more drastic step you want (calling the pound, pepper spray, getting the dog a good therapist to cure his napoleon complex, whatever) and tell the neighbor that's what you're doing next time.  no more mr nice guy.  that was his last chance.  your responsibility is to protect your dog first and foremost. 
'06 S2R1k - black - SOLD
'03 620 - red - SOLD
----
yeah

il d00d

How about an air horn?  That would discourage both dogs to tangle with each other if each time they do, they get an earful.  I personally would not attempt to get the neighbor to pay, but I would let him know what the vet bill was  - if he is a good neighbor, he will offer.  As shamelessly optimistic as this may sound, I like to give people the opportunity to do the right thing on their own.

And if he does not offer to pay, let him know he will be on the hook next time, or that other actions (calling animal control) will be needed.

SacDuc

Quote from: DucofWestwood on June 08, 2011, 11:25:46 AM
i think the first reply was the best one ... i edited it slightly since you said he already has a chain for the dog.  choose whichever more drastic step you want (calling the pound, pepper spray, getting the dog a good therapist to cure his napoleon complex, whatever) and tell the neighbor that's what you're doing next time.  no more mr nice guy.  that was his last chance.  your responsibility is to protect your dog first and foremost.  


Nope. All the neighbor is going to hear is that you are threatening his poor little dog. Take what ever action you want, but don't tacitly ask the douchebag's permission for it. what are you expecting, that he has a moment of enlightenment right there and apologizes and promises to try harder in the future? That's pretty damn optimistic and generous towards your fellow man. And you sure as make the beast with two backs don't owe him fair warning as to your plans if his dog should attack yours again.

Keep you vet bill. Get pictures if you can. Talk to your neighbors who have had to deal with this themselves. And if it ever approaches you or your dogs again feel free to kick that make the beast with two backser so hard it lands back in its own yard.

Or call animal control. we had a similar situation with a pitbull in our neighbor hood. Owner was a douchebag and the dog got out all the time and started coming to our house. we called animal control and they had received so many calls that they took the dog away from the guy (and made him get his other dog shots and a license). Since it as a pit it was likely sheltered briefly and then put down. I didn't lose a wink of sleep over it. Some people should not own dogs. If your not up for using your boot to correct the dog's behavior then call early and call often. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to let them know about this incident just so they have it on record.

sac
HATERS GONNA HATE.

hbliam

Quote from: sbrguy on June 08, 2011, 08:30:13 AM
tell him to keep his dog in his own yard or you will take care of it.. he has to know you are LEO so he will listen to you if you tell him there will be consequences next time.

unlike the rest of us you can threaten him and he knows if he threatens you back he will have major problems on his hand.   [leo]


Actually, I have less use of my Constitutional right to free speech then you do. If I did what you said he could file a complaint that would likely result in me getting unpaid days off or worse.

hbliam

Just picked her up from the vet. I'm kinda pissed now. Poor dog.


Drain installed in one of the punctures.



Worn out from the drugs and drama.