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Started by ducatiz, September 01, 2011, 09:37:35 AM

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DRKWNG

#240
June 15, 2013, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: ungeheuer on June 15, 2013, 06:25:57 AM
Apparently not as awesome as you might imagine.....

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-reviews-road-tests/jeep_wrangler_unlimited_crd_review



Of course they didn't like it, it was RHD.   [cheeky]

Seriously though, to those who have driven Wranglers and know their limitations, 90% of that article's gripes are moot.  Give me a diesel and a manual transmission and BOOM!
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ducatiz

#241
June 15, 2013, 07:12:18 PM
Quote from: ungeheuer on June 15, 2013, 06:25:57 AM
Apparently not as awesome as you might imagine.....

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-reviews-road-tests/jeep_wrangler_unlimited_crd_review



4 stars out of 5 isnt bad at all.  Most of the criticism seems to be the styling.
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JohnEE

#242
June 17, 2013, 04:37:23 AM
I've been toying with the idea lately of buying a really really late model jeep/taco and turning it into a dune runner/fishing truck.....There is a beach in Mass that lets you drive on the beach at the end of the season( just in the time for when the fish start migrating back south). Short wheel base, 4x4, stick some good tires for sand on it. A place for a cooler and rods, some big lights, maybe a rack for my kayak................I'm getting ahead of myself.....hehe....

ducatiz

#243
June 17, 2013, 05:56:43 AM
Quote from: JohnEE on June 17, 2013, 04:37:23 AM
I've been toying with the idea lately of buying a really really late model jeep/taco and turning it into a dune runner/fishing truck.....There is a beach in Mass that lets you drive on the beach at the end of the season( just in the time for when the fish start migrating back south). Short wheel base, 4x4, stick some good tires for sand on it. A place for a cooler and rods, some big lights, maybe a rack for my kayak................I'm getting ahead of myself.....hehe....

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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

Speedbag

#244
June 17, 2013, 08:13:15 AM
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 15, 2013, 11:05:40 AM

Seriously though, to those who have driven Wranglers and know their limitations, 90% of that article's gripes are moot. 

Totally. They're not for everyone...

My '13 is my fourth, and I have to laugh at a lot of the reviews I've read on them.
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mitt

#245
June 17, 2013, 04:07:50 PM
Sounds like we are too stupid for small trucks (not just diesel).  All the US mfgr's are dropping their small trucks.


JohnEE

#246
June 18, 2013, 05:29:38 AM
Quote from: mitt on June 17, 2013, 04:07:50 PM
Sounds like we are too stupid for small trucks (not just diesel).  All the US mfgr's are dropping their small trucks.

The colorado is coming back next year, it might actually give the tacoma a run for its money......though these are really midsize trucks not "small trucks" by any sense of the word.

Duck-Stew

#247
June 18, 2013, 06:34:56 AM
I read an article on that (which my no means makes me an expert, but here goes anyways).  Seems how the EPA classifies vehicles leaves manufacturers out in the cold when it comes to meeting emissions for both station wagons and small pick-up trucks.  Something about the area on the road surface that the vehicle takes up...
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JohnEE

#248
June 18, 2013, 06:48:30 AM
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 18, 2013, 06:34:56 AM
I read an article on that (which my no means makes me an expert, but here goes anyways).  Seems how the EPA classifies vehicles leaves manufacturers out in the cold when it comes to meeting emissions for both station wagons and small pick-up trucks.  Something about the area on the road surface that the vehicle takes up...

CAFE!! You are correct, they do it by vehicle foot print. This lead to the creation of the PT cruiser, its classified as a small pick up i think haha. So they could count the PT for their Truck/SUV MPG target.

Popeye the Sailor

#249
June 20, 2013, 12:31:06 PM
Quote from: mitt on June 17, 2013, 04:07:50 PM
Sounds like we are too stupid for small trucks (not just diesel).  All the US mfgr's are dropping their small trucks.




Yeah well my last little pickup got like, 17-19 mpg-regular cab, manual,. haul maybe 500 lbs and stay happy, 800 it would whine and I don't think I put more in there than that.

Current ginormous extended cab long bed diesel beast gets about 15/16 and is infinitely more useable. If you NEED a truck I don't see the point of a small one. Only real advantage is parking.
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ducatiz

#250
June 20, 2013, 01:57:31 PM Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 02:00:30 PM by ducatiz
Quote from: Timon on June 20, 2013, 12:31:06 PM
Yeah well my last little pickup got like, 17-19 mpg-regular cab, manual,. haul maybe 500 lbs and stay happy, 800 it would whine and I don't think I put more in there than that.

Current ginormous extended cab long bed diesel beast gets about 15/16 and is infinitely more useable. If you NEED a truck I don't see the point of a small one. Only real advantage is parking.

The current generation double-cab long bed Toyota HiLux with 2.5L diesel in the UK gets almost 39 MPG combined.  The 3.0 version gets 36 mpg combined. 

The 2.5L version gets 140 hp / 343 ft lbs torque and 0-60 in 12 seconds.  It's exactly what we need in the US for a small truck.  If Toyota sold this version, Ford would go bankrupt when their F150 sales tanks.

http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/generic_editorial.jsp?navRoot=toyota_1024_root&fullwidth=true&noLeftMenu=true&forceText=%3Cnone%3E&edname=CC2-Hilux-specification&zone=Zone+NG+Hilux&id=CC2-Hilux-specification

It's not a true "small truck", but it's smaller than the American-spec Toyota Tacoma.


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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

The Mad King Pepe'

#251
June 20, 2013, 06:28:12 PM
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

ungeheuer

#252
June 20, 2013, 07:06:30 PM
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on June 20, 2013, 06:28:12 PM
Aussies are just a bunch of spoiled pricks! [evil]




[cheeky] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Yup  ;D ;D ;D

We got more diesel "small trucks" ("ute" is the proper name) than you can poke a stick at  8) 8) 8)

Not just us though.  Most lands on Earth have mid-sized fuel efficient diesel utes available from most manufacturers.  My theory is that its because we in the rest of the world have to pay money for the fuel, whereas in the US since it's virtually given away free there's no great incentive to be frugal with it [evil].



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the_Journeyman

#253
June 21, 2013, 05:29:37 AM
I remember the terrible things we did to a diesel Hilux when I was in Australia.  Those are tough little trucks.

HN
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Speedbag

#254
June 21, 2013, 10:31:39 AM
Quote from: ungeheuer on June 20, 2013, 07:06:30 PM

Not just us though.  Most lands on Earth have mid-sized fuel efficient diesel utes available from most manufacturers.  My theory is that its because we in the rest of the world have to pay money for the fuel, whereas in the US since it's virtually given away free there's no great incentive to be frugal with it [evil].


Yep.

And the bullshit nonsense collectively known as the EPA.
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