Rossi vs. Ducati...and more spoilers

[MadDuck]

Gee, we had a pretty good bike at one time. Won some races and were in the hunt a fair amount of the time. Even got a championship due to some extreme talent and a bit of luck.

Was that as good as it was ever going to get?

We turned a corner somewhere and it all started to go downhill.

Can we go back to that corner and take a different turn, think outside the box or in a different direction?  Could it get any worse?

Or, again,  was it just plain fact that at the time that was as good as it will ever get?

[duccarlos]

That corner was Laguna 2008 on the corkscrew. That's when Rossi really started the mindmake the beast with two backs against Stoner and indirectly Ducati.

[Speeddog]

That corner was Laguna 2008 on the corkscrew. That's when Rossi really started the mindmake the beast with two backs against Stoner and indirectly Ducati.

And, what, he completed the mindmake the beast with two backs by riding for Ducati?

[Triple J]

And, what, he completed the mindmake the beast with two backs by riding for Ducati?

[duccarlos]

And, what, he completed the mindmake the beast with two backs by riding for Ducati?

He make the beast with two backsed himself.

[Speeddog]

Sounds like the test went well:
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/rossi+test+misano+day2

New frame and swinger for the race.

And more frames coming.

Sounds like Rossi's going to see the bike get all sorted out just in time to leave it for Nicky and Dovi.

[gm2]

Sounds like Rossi's going to see the bike get all sorted out just in time to leave it for Nicky and Dovi.

pretty sure he knew that was a possibility.  but who can bank on that after the last 2 years.. when you only have 2 more to go

[duccarlos]

Plus I doubt that they found the one thing that fixes the whole bike. It might provide slightly better feel, but I would not keep my hopes up.

[ducpainter]

There isn't just one thing wrong.

The two main complaints I heard from Rossi...

the bike won't steer...

the power delivery is unmanageable.

It sounds like they've made some progress on the first.

[duccarlos]

It sounds like they've made some progress on the first.

Results wise, not holding my breath.

[ducpainter]

Results wise, not holding my breath.

I don't hold my breath about waking up tomorrow.

We'll see.

[The Architect]

Results wise, not holding my breath.

Yes but they're doing something.  They might get it horribly wrong or they might make improvements.  They have got to do something. 

[wantingaduc]

Now that Rossi is leaving, does anyone think there's a chance Ducati will revert back to the carbon frame design?

From what I can see on the interwebs, Checca and Bayliss have been very complimentary to the 1199 and it's handling. Checca went so far as to say that he thought the problem with the GP bike wasn't the way it handeled but more with the way it worked with the Bridgestone tires.
And how the feedback was relayed to the rider differently then a conventional framed bike.

Maybe the idea was't flawed all along, could it be that Rossi just couldn't get his head wrapped around that bike?

jimi

[Raux]

To me you go back to the trellis that won. and start from there.

[zooom]

Now that Rossi is leaving, does anyone think there's a chance Ducati will revert back to the carbon frame design?

From what I can see on the interwebs, Checca and Bayliss have been very complimentary to the 1199 and it's handling. Checca went so far as to say that he thought the problem with the GP bike wasn't the way it handeled but more with the way it worked with the Bridgestone tires.
And how the feedback was relayed to the rider differently then a conventional framed bike.

Maybe the idea was't flawed all along, could it be that Rossi just couldn't get his head wrapped around that bike?

jimi

GOOD POINT...and quite possibly, that could be the key is the intepretive feel of carbon fiber versus aluminum, which has been discussed before, and how it transmitt's feedback....