MotoGP is boring.

[gm2]

from the No Shit department.  but still nice of him to go on record

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121023boring.htm

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/185404/1/rossi_puts_boot_into_boring_motogp.html

[duccarlos]

Gonna sound like fastwin here: get rid of all electronics and get off my lawn!! Damn kids...

[ducatiz]

Amen

[duccarlos]

Let me expand. The electronics allow the engineers to work around chassis and suspension issues inherent to the bike. If you remove the electronics, not only are you putting control back onto the riders "traction control is in the twist of the throttle", but you're also putting pressure on the manufacturers to put effort in designing a chassis and motor that handles well.

[Raux]

sucks when you are losing huh, Rossi?

[gm2]

pressure on the manufacturers to put effort in designing a chassis and motor that handles well.

they already do this.  a lot of effort.  remember that this is the pinnacle of the sport; they work themselves to death to find .02 seconds.

i don't disagree with any of this, but electronics aren't going away.  hopefully (unfortunately..?) they get democratized.

[gm2]

sucks when you are losing huh, Rossi?

please.  he's been saying this since 2006.

[Raux]

To me, stop forcing the bikes to be similar is the solution.

there are too many rules put into place to limit the design of the bikes.

tires, limits, etc.

get a second tire manufacturer involved
let them build a overbored short stroke motor that revs to the moon
keep the fuel limits to force them to keep things reasonable
but limit to no electronic rider aids. no abs, no tc, no antiwheelie, no launchcontrol, etc etc.

[duccarlos]

they already do this.  a lot of effort.  remember that this is the pinnacle of the sport; they work themselves to death to find .02 seconds.

i don't disagree with any of this, but electronics aren't going away.  hopefully (unfortunately..?) they get democratized.

Formula 1 has got it right. No electronic aids. That's about it.

[ducatiz]

Formula 1 has got it right. No electronic aids. That's about it.

Egads, I hope not.  That would make computer use awful

[fastwin]

Gonna sound like fastwin here: get rid of all electronics and get off my lawn!! Damn kids...

[zooom]

I have a formula for you...

you get "X" alotment of tires from whatever manufacturer you choose...this alotment allows for a similar # to what they are currently allowed for testing, and a quarterly alotment of the remainder for the race season at 24 tires per round ( which includes slicks and rains )

you have a budget under which to build the bike and your engine alotment for the year of "X"...

you have a specific budget for which to build your chassis development parts and spare parts and other upgrades of "X"

You have a fuel limit of what the CRT's are currently allowed per race condition

You have a spec ECU that is tunable with approved mapping parameters for trim and air and fueling only, ...data monitoring/aquisition for telemetry as a passive function reading only measure with no active traction control.

the rest of wild west go for it and run whatcha brung!

I did not fill in $$$ figures as I don't have a clue what those guys really spend between a CRT team and what a GP or satelite team REALLY spend...so I didn't want to put a lurid figure that is ridiculous...

[derby]

you have a budget under which to build the bike and your engine alotment for the year of "X"...

you have a specific budget for which to build your chassis development parts and spare parts and other upgrades of "X"

there was talk in the last decade or so of "team budget caps" in formula 1... my biggest question was "how the hell do you enforce that"?

teams that own their own wind tunnels vs teams that have to rent them?

factory teams vs teams that have to buy their motors?

how would you address something like, for example, mclaren or ferrari selling engineering or materials "services" to the race team at a "loss" to obfuscate the actual cost of those services?

[gm2]

you could never enforce it.  and the cost of trying to would make it a non-starter.

what if HRC had no line item budget b/c Honda corporate decided to make it part of R&D?  rider salaries are Promotional, etc.  and they're going to give internal auditing rights to Dorna?  no way.

[zooom]

you could never enforce it.  and the cost of trying to would make it a non-starter.

what if HRC had no line item budget b/c Honda corporate decided to make it part of R&D?  rider salaries are Promotional, etc.  and they're going to give internal auditing rights to Dorna?  no way.

rider budget could and should be scaled under a different umbrella...

when I said a budget under which to build the bike, materials cost would be the bigger key in this as labor is such a raquet under which it could get simply ridiculous really quickly.