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Started by TealCandy, December 28, 2012, 03:48:45 AM

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brimo

See that long shiny patch in your line just before you go down? May be oil or water, either way, keep clear of anything like that in the wet (or dry for that matter).
"The make the beast with two backsin monkey started it..."

From a story by RAT900
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=54722.msg1015917#msg1015917

DucHead

Too fast, wet road, cold tires.

What's a Ducati 659?
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IZ

Quote from: brimo on December 28, 2012, 12:29:16 PM
See that long shiny patch in your line just before you go down? May be oil or water, either way, keep clear of anything like that in the wet (or dry for that matter).

+1

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Quote from: bobspapa on May 29, 2011, 08:09:57 AMThis just in..IZ is not that short..and I am not that tall.

pitbull

Quote from: Privateer on December 28, 2012, 10:08:05 AM
to me it looks like you were steering into the turn instead of counter steering.

not sure if that was the cause of the traction loss or not but working against the bike's nature when traction is already limited can lead to unpredictable results.

my thoughts as well although I don't want to accuse you of that for certain as it may have been your bars turning once you started to lose traction.

If you did happen to steer into the turn and touched your front brake at all, you're very likely going to wash out in those conditions.


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Quote from: brimo on December 28, 2012, 12:29:16 PM
See that long shiny patch in your line just before you go down? May be oil or water, either way, keep clear of anything like that in the wet (or dry for that matter).

Definitely one of the factors I see. Other is speed. The perceived (in the video, at least) lean angle is more than I would have had in similar conditions. Of course, I'm a bit of a chicken shift in inclement weather (has kept me upright so far).

That you bounced right up, and really didn't hit anything (you or the bike) is pretty good karma.

gr1976

Whats on the back tire? Looks like it has the label still on it, the center-line wasn't just painted and still wet was it?

ungeheuer

Quote from: Bill in OKC on December 28, 2012, 09:58:18 AM......It looks like the street was wet, recent rain.  How long had it been raining?  Around here auto oil drips and exhaust, rubber, coolant will build up over long periods of dry.  Then when it finally does rain the first hour or so all the accumulated fluids will wash up and make the roads very slick until it has rained enough to rinse the roads clean again.  I watched to see if you might have touched the front brake but couldn't tell from the video.  I am very light on the front brake in fresh rain and diesel spills etc.....
^^ This.  

Quote from: brimo on December 28, 2012, 12:29:16 PM
See that long shiny patch in your line just before you go down? May be oil or water, either way, keep clear of anything like that in the wet (or dry for that matter).
^^ This too.

Quote from: DucHead on December 28, 2012, 02:00:23 PMWhat's a Ducati 659?
Its an Australian market learner-legal special, a detuned, reduced capacity M696.
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sgollapalle

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Quote from: gr1976 on December 28, 2012, 04:58:41 PM
Whats on the back tire? Looks like it has the label still on it, the center-line wasn't just painted and still wet was it?

Yeah.. Whats that white stuff on your rear tire? From 0:15 - 0:21
'11 M-696

TealCandy

Quote from: gr1976 on December 28, 2012, 04:58:41 PM
Whats on the back tire? Looks like it has the label still on it, the center-line wasn't just painted and still wet was it?

The bike actually just skimmed the big white barrier.. I went up and touched it just after and white chalky crap got all over my fingers.

Quote from: brimo on December 28, 2012, 12:29:16 PM
See that long shiny patch in your line just before you go down? May be oil or water, either way, keep clear of anything like that in the wet (or dry for that matter).

Definitely will in the future, thanks!
Quote from: freeclimbmtb on December 28, 2012, 11:05:03 AM
^What he asked.^


Since your ok and all...im glad you crashed on film so we can have the opertunity to disect it!!  (wish i had my lowside on tape >:()

Also fresh pavement is slick with oil (tar is a petroleum product after all)  

Im not going to tell you you were riding too fast because I know my gopro videos are misleading esp when its set to the fast frame rate.  (and I drive that fast if not faster)

As for the tire being warm/cold...thats still a legit concern on the street.  My 696 had a BT054 on it, and if the temp was below 50, it would do roll-on burnouts in 1st just by whacking the throttle.  So I wouldnt count out cold hard rubber+wet road+speed...

No matter what, glad your here to talk about it!

Thanks mate, I was going a little fast.. the zone was 60km/h (bend rated for 35) I was going 60-65.

Quote from: DucHead on December 28, 2012, 02:00:23 PM
Too fast, wet road, cold tires.

What's a Ducati 659?

Was on my way to work.. at 730am after some rain 5-630am I think. Had gotten about 4km. Definitely cold tires.

As for the rest of you guys, thanks for watching and giving your opinions. Thanks! ;D
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Pedro-bot

Looks like the consensus is wet roads + cold tires = no bueno.

Glad you're ok.
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brimo

Quote from: Pedro-bot on December 28, 2012, 06:44:11 PM
Looks like the consensus is wet roads + cold tires = no bueno.

Glad you're ok.

"Cold tyres", crap, unless it was minus 20 deg. 
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From a story by RAT900
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=54722.msg1015917#msg1015917

GK

Sheesh mate, somebody upstairs was looking out for you that day.

I shuddered the 5 times I watched it!

I would go with the too fast for the conditions, plus oil on road theory too.

Glad you got up okay. What damage was done to you, your gear and the bike?

GK
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TealCandy

Quote from: GK on December 28, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
Sheesh mate, somebody upstairs was looking out for you that day.

I shuddered the 5 times I watched it!

I would go with the too fast for the conditions, plus oil on road theory too.

Glad you got up okay. What damage was done to you, your gear and the bike?

GK

Thanks mate, I do believe so. The pants I was wearing where Levi's, deep abrasion all over my knee, to this day if I bump it hard enough it swells up and really hurts. Jacket held up absolutely wonderful but then again I only put my left arm down, so much so I still sold it to a friend (putting on the kgs lmao) Boots where OK but I burnt them on the pipe so they look weird, traded up for some alpinestars smx plus.. helmet I think hit the barrier too, there was a chip out of it but I didnt feel a thing on the head. Sadly had to fork out the excess on the bike cracked the steering lock right off the frame, bent bars, front axle grinded down.. termis surprisingly had nothing on them. Oh and the crankcase needed replacing too.. One thing for sure.. is if I go down again I will be having the bike transported to my house THEN to a repairer, ended up in a holding yard costing me 200 for trasportation and another 200 for holding it for 2 weeks as the shop is backed up.

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DucHead

Quote from: ungeheuer on December 28, 2012, 05:00:46 PM
Its an Australian market learner-legal special, a detuned, reduced capacity M696.

Thanks ung!
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