Range Rover Runs Over Bikers in NYC, 1 dead

[zooom]

and don't forget, he was apparently "helping" his fellow downed rider at the time !!!

[Rudemouthsky]

no, these guys were great people

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/10/01/lawrence-man-seriously-injured-nyc-incident-involving-suv-and-motorcyclists/jHju3V1xAOsdF6Q2vT8BaL/story.html

Quote:
Edwin “Jay” Mieses Jr., 32, who was riding one of dozens of motorcycles on the Henry Hudson Parkway Sunday afternoon, sustained two broken legs after apparently being run over by the SUV, police said. He remained in critical condition Tuesday at St. Luke’s Hospital in New York City.
And...

Though Mieses is a Massachusetts resident, he has never had a valid Massachusetts driver’s license for a passenger vehicle and has never applied for a motorcycle license, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said.

Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learner’s permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. His last contact with the Registry was in 2001, when he obtained an identification card, registry records show.

Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.

In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show.

None of this has anything to do with whether or not he is "good people" and/or "deserved" what he got.

[zooom]

None of this has anything to do with whether or not he is "good people" and/or "deserved" what he got.

you mean his track record of disregard of the law doesn't show what kind of character or morality he is more than likely to be fortifide with in terms of his "goodness"....I'll grant you the "deserved" part, unless it can be proven exactly why he was off of his bike at the time he got run over....

[Rudemouthsky]

you mean his track record of disregard of the law doesn't show what kind of character or morality he is more than likely to be fortifide with in terms of his "goodness"....I'll grant you the "deserved" part, unless it can be proven exactly why he was off of his bike at the time he got run over....

Unless there is testimony from people who actually know him that say's he's an abuser, a thief, etc then no, his history of traffic violations mean absolutely nothing to me. You're free to feel otherwise but that's a pretty blithe way of thinking IMO. Things are always more complex than they seem...and if you're going to use his rap sheet to damn the guy maybe it's worth noting that as easy as it is to dig up dirt on someone in today's information era, Lethe was unable to find a single crime of "moral turpitude" (rape, assault, drug dealing, etc). I'll bet there's more than a few of those who drive like Mr. Rogers.

[ZLTFUL]

See what the bikers didn't want you to see here...

Apparently, some of you people are ignoring that these douchenozzles were solely responsible for the actions that lead up to and include the SUV driver trying to escape harm with his family.

Thing that gets me, and I really do hope the guy that got run over pulls through OK, is all the people who are wanting the SUV driver's head. Fact is, you eff with me and my family to the point where I feel our lives are in danger, I am fairly certain that I am going to run you over too.

[lethe]

Unless there is testimony from people who actually know him that say's he's an abuser, a thief, etc then no, his history of traffic violations mean absolutely nothing to me. You're free to feel otherwise but that's a pretty blithe way of thinking IMO. Things are always more complex than they seem...and if you're going to use his rap sheet to damn the guy maybe it's worth noting that as easy as it is to dig up dirt on someone in today's information era, Lethe was unable to find a single crime of "moral turpitude" (rape, assault, drug dealing, etc). I'll bet there's more than a few of those who drive like Mr. Rogers.

I haven't even bothered looking for anything. This info, the other videos from that day etc, are making themselves easily available.
Deeds are some indication of character as well as the company you keep.
Without a doubt, there are criminals in that group of the level you speak. And a fair portion of those bikes and quads are stolen.
The behavior shown in the main video and even more so in the other videos shows a blatant disregard for anyone else's right to be on the road and their safety with bikes blowing down the wrong side of the road weaving through moving oncoming traffic among other things. Any one of us here in no way can claim to be a saint but each of these morons does more in 10 minutes than the worst of us does in a lifetime of riding plus if I speed or ride a little stupid now and again, it is predominately in cases where the only one that can get potentially hurt is me.
I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are very few good guys there, if any. Those are supposed adults that have less regard for others than the biggest dickhead of a teenager that you personally know of.

[lemond]

http://www.andoverps.net/police/files/logs/ablogmay13.pdf

OUI, assault and battery, possession on class A and E, a warrant...this guy is pretty scrummy.

[uclabiker06]

I wonder what happened before that video.  I'm willing to be the guy in the RR did something stupid before the vid to set those squid/moron "bikers" off.   They shouldn't have slashed his tires...  Things might have worked out differently if they didn't slash his tires.

Being trapped in a swarm of these "bikers" is bad enough but given that his family was in the car and then they start slashing his tires?  The whole thing is just so disappointing.  A little tolerance would have gone a long way here    

[Lucumon]

Are we not eliminating the "1 dead" from the title because we expect this to be so the near future?

[Lucumon]

Also, nice to see the NYC DA's office allows people to destroy property without fear of prosecution: http://nypost.com/2013/10/02/da-wont-charge-bike-assault-thug-in-suv-beating/

Everyday something comes out of that city that makes me happy I moved away.

[ducatiz]

Class act.

[cgv]

Not sure if this is really the same group in the link below but stuff like this is pretty common in NYC and surrounding areas especially during the summer. It's at best a nuisance and at its worst is dangerous to riders, drivers and pedestrians.
The RR driver probably had no idea what was going on and probably didn't expect the riders were stopping traffic to race or stunt. These riders are all not likely criminals but they are idiots for associating with this type of group riding. One can't  feel too sorry for the injuries caused by the SUV because dangerous behavior tends to have serious consequences.
From the reports I've read, the driver stopped and took off only after riders started to hit his car. Good for him for protecting his family. Unfortunately he didn't go straight up the highway to the toll where cops are stationed.
These type of riders are dangerous and unfortunately hard to stop bc the police are usually not allowed to engage. And self policing does not  look practiced in these types of groups. As a motorcycle rider mainly for commuting I get worried that the image of these asshats is what people think when they see me on my monster. NYC cagers are a scary lot and seem to practice a general disregard for everyone and hopefully the rage felt over this incident will not be taken out on regular riders.


http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the-footage-that-the-nyc-bikers-didnt-want-you-to-see-1435594427

[hbliam]

Unless there is testimony from people who actually know him that say's he's an abuser, a thief, etc then no, his history of traffic violations mean absolutely nothing to me. You're free to feel otherwise but that's a pretty blithe way of thinking IMO. Things are always more complex than they seem...and if you're going to use his rap sheet to damn the guy maybe it's worth noting that as easy as it is to dig up dirt on someone in today's information era, Lethe was unable to find a single crime of "moral turpitude" (rape, assault, drug dealing, etc). I'll bet there's more than a few of those who drive like Mr. Rogers.

Traffic violations individually also mean nothing to me. His record as a whole does. It shows a clear disregard for the laws that regulate the driving safety of the public. So when you have a situation where you need to determine if this suspect was likely involved in illegal activity that endangered the safety of others drivers you would of course add his driving history into the equation.

Does the guy deserve to be run over because he has speeding tickets on his record? Of course not. Does he deserve to be run over when he is part of a mob that is threatening great bodily harm to a man, his wife and child and he is blocking their path of escape? Absolutely. It matters not if he got off his bike to "help", he's part of the mob, he in the roadway illegally on foot, and he's in the way.

It's impossible to look at all the available information and conclude anything but the moto riders brought all this on themselves and should be held liable both criminally and civilly for their actions.

[ungeheuer]

[snip]...his history of traffic violations mean absolutely nothing to me. You're free to feel otherwise....[/snip]

I feel otherwise.

We're all here pontificating on the wrongs portrayed in some youtube video of outrageously make the beast with two backsing BAD road behaviour...  and YOU don't think the extensive history of dismake the beast with two backsingregard for road traffic regulation and licencing requirements says anything at all about a particular individual's attitude to their obligations to society??!   

It says to me that the guy has absolute disregard.... he has no licence... he's offended so frequently that he's not gonna be granted any licence....  and HE DOESN'T GIVE A make the beast with two backs.  He's gonna ride anyway.  And when he does ride, he can ride however he make the beast with two backsing likes... coz even if they catch him... he has nothing to lose.  They can't ban him from driving/riding any more than he apparently already is.  Clearly the only way to keep roads safe from his kind of blatant disregard is to remove him and his like from society.

[snip]Things are always more complex than they seem...[/snip]

Enlighten me as to the complexities that lead to becoming above the law... 

[Bladecutter]

It says to me that the guy has absolute disregard.... he has no license... he's offended so frequently that he's not gonna be granted any license....  and HE DOESN'T GIVE A make the beast with two backs.  He's gonna ride anyway.  And when he does ride, he can ride however he make the beast with two backsing likes... because even if they catch him... he has nothing to lose.  They can't ban him from driving/riding any more than he apparently already is.  Clearly the only way to keep roads safe from his kind of blatant disregard is to remove him and his like from society.
Enlighten me as to the complexities that lead to becoming above the law... 

Or, run him over with an SUV.
He can no longer ride a motorcycle, legally or illegally.
Not now, or in 2017 when he "might" be able to get his license back from the state of MA.

Sorry if it sounds cold, but he and a heck of a lot of the other people involved had no right to be on the road in the first place, and they all knew it.

BC.