check out these Chinese LiFePO4 batteries

[xcaptainxbloodx]

He's not claiming that.  

Chinese brake levers were supposed to kill us all too.

there is more to electronics than the case they are in,

http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/

I posted that image because if a lithium battery is going to fail, it will fail catastrophically.

brake levers may feel crap or start cracking at stress points or have poor finish, but its unlikely they will be 100% fine and then snap when you need them.  if a lithium battery fails you wont know until things start smoking, and as our batteries are located directly under our (often) plastic gas tanks...

of course thats a worst case scenario.  But if it had another issue (housing falls apart, loses charge, terminal falls off, whatever) you also have zero support. I have returned several and various name brand lithium batteries (seems like they just have bad runs sometimes) but never paid, or seen a customer pay to replace it.  Its nice to know that if a battery failure burns down your bike you also have a place to send your lawyer

[thorn14]

says the guy who likes riding around on a motor with two wheels  

True.

[oldndumb]

there is more to electronics than the case they are in,

http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/

I posted that image because if a lithium battery is going to fail, it will fail catastrophically.

brake levers may feel crap or start cracking at stress points or have poor finish, but its unlikely they will be 100% fine and then snap when you need them.  if a lithium battery fails you wont know until things start smoking, and as our batteries are located directly under our (often) plastic gas tanks...

You seem to be lumping all Lithium batteries into one category. There are many types, and they all do not exhibit the same characteristics. A trip through Googleland with a side excursion to Wikilborough might be interesting.  

[koko64]

there is more to electronics than the case they are in,

http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/

I posted that image because if a lithium battery is going to fail, it will fail catastrophically.

brake levers may feel crap or start cracking at stress points or have poor finish, but its unlikely they will be 100% fine and then snap when you need them.  if a lithium battery fails you wont know until things start smoking, and as our batteries are located directly under our (often) plastic gas tanks...

of course thats a worst case scenario.  But if it had another issue (housing falls apart, loses charge, terminal falls off, whatever) you also have zero support. I have returned several and various name brand lithium batteries (seems like they just have bad runs sometimes) but never paid, or seen a customer pay to replace it.  Its nice to know that if a battery failure burns down your bike you also have a place to send your lawyer

I recently replaced a LiOn battery out of a Honda. It was one of the batteries in this thread. It failed by no longer taking charge but that was all. The internals were loose in the casing so maybe vibration broke it. I dropped in a Shorai as a loaner until the guy gets a replacement. It may be still under warranty as it's six months old if the local importer offers one. I doubt the mfr has a warranty, so I guess the local vendor may have to wear it.

My understanding is that the Shorai have the overcharge fuse. The Shorai has a three year warranty, so I pay extra for that (and the fuse).
Catastrophic failure should be engineered against with a safety feature. I doubt Australia even has a standard for these batteries yet, with the law not keeping up with technology.

[ducpainter]

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Catastrophic failure should be engineered against with a safety feature.

How'd that work out for Boeing?

[koko64]

I hate flying
The thought of not being able to pull over to fix it when something goes wrong.
Oh, and I'm not driving.

The safety fuse to stop a fire from overcharging is crucial. It only takes one dodgy RR.

[Rudemouthsky]

there is more to electronics than the case they are in,

http://techfrag.com/2014/10/16/lenovo-forgets-identity-creating-rip-iphone-6/

I posted that image because if a lithium battery is going to fail, it will fail catastrophically.

brake levers may feel crap or start cracking at stress points or have poor finish, but its unlikely they will be 100% fine and then snap when you need them.  if a lithium battery fails you wont know until things start smoking, and as our batteries are located directly under our (often) plastic gas tanks...

of course thats a worst case scenario.  But if it had another issue (housing falls apart, loses charge, terminal falls off, whatever) you also have zero support. I have returned several and various name brand lithium batteries (seems like they just have bad runs sometimes) but never paid, or seen a customer pay to replace it.  Its nice to know that if a battery failure burns down your bike you also have a place to send your lawyer

Some good points but as has been pointed out, LF battery failure is def not *necessarily* catastrophic failure, and I'm not really campaigning for Made In China stuff so much as I'm pointing out that it's here, and it's everywhere,  and it isn't all bad...and is sometimes awesome.

Skyrich isn't a small player by *any* means...they're big and bright enough for Ducati, AAP and Deltran to partner with...so it's not as if your lawyer (should you need one) is going after some anonymous eBay scumbag holed up in an office in some dirty sweatshop in Zhejiang.

There are still plenty of ethical and practical reasons to avoid Made In China but the; "it's all junk that will kill you or your bike" excuse...that dog won't hunt.

[SDRider]

I just bought a Shorai LiFePO4 battery for my bike.  I'd rather support them than some Chinese company I've never heard of.

[NAKID]

I just bought a Shorai LiFePO4 battery for my bike.  I'd rather support them than some Chinese company I've never heard of.

I've had a Shorai for over a year and a half. No issues whatsoever. Never a problem starting, even after the bike sat untouched for 7 weeks after I had surgery earlier this year...

[Rudemouthsky]

I like my Shorai LFX181A a lot as well. And they're customer service is A+