interesting to see BMW copy Ducati

[lawbreaker]

Full trellis frame.... What a novel concept

[Skybarney]

Yup they copied Ducati.  Giant ugly ass exhaust pipe hiding the SSW

[MadDuck]

runs in the rain? sold.

i'd buy it

You should!

[teddy037.3]

You should!

actually, I was looking at either the 7 or 800gs yesterday...

[MadDuck]

actually, I was looking at either the 7 or 800gs yesterday...

Go big! You won't regret it.

[teddy037.3]

I'm too short for the 1200, though lol... 800 would be plenty big for me

[MadDuck]

I'm too short for the 1200, though lol... 800 would be plenty big for me

Your 800GS has a higher seat than a R1200R. It's the F800R that has a slightly lower seat.  Of course the 1200 is more $$$ but worth it no doubt. It will be interesting to see a comparison between the 1200 Monster and the R1200R and you just know that faceoff is coming. 

[MadDuck]

Here:

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/12/09/2015-bmw-r1200r-boxer-roadster-motorcycle-review-first-ride-photos-specifications/

[teddy037.3]

Sorry, was talking just about the gs bikes...   my bad.

I wouldn't mind sitting on the r to see how it feels, though

[Howie]

The big GS can be fitted with a low seat, and, if that is not enough and you don't need the ground clearance, a lowering kit.  From their web sight.

• Front seat, high: 34.2 in / 35.0 in
• Front seat (standard): 33.5 in / 34.2 in
• Front seat, low: 32.3 in / 33.1 in
• Lowered suspension (optional accessory, including front seat, low): 31.1 in / 31.9 in

[Curmudgeon]

When I investigated these solutions on an F800ST in 2011, low seats = much less foam and the stock seat was bad enough! The suspension lowering kit reduced travel on both ends by that amount, so not just ground clearance you were losing. 

My $0.02, these are very poorly engineered solutions. While I miss the wind protection of the ST/GT, bought an M796 instead for $3,500 less with better ABS and required fewer mods to suit me, none which compromised performance. 

YMMV...

[Triple J]

How short are you guys?? There isn't a need to be able to flat foot a motorcycle with both feet, just learn how to deal with a taller bike.

I'm 5-8" with a 31 or 32 inseam, and I've owned a stock height R1200GS, 1st gen. Multistrada, and KTM SMT. All tall bikes, and the GS was super heavy to boot! The KTM felt the tallest, but who knows if it actually was. I've also test ridden 1050 Tigers, the 800GS range, and the Guzzi Stelvio...again, all relatively tall bikes.

None were a big deal to ride and I didn't drop any of them. It only takes a few rides to get used to the height.

There are way too many cool bikes out there to worry about seat height IMO, unless you're really short.

[MadDuck]

How short are you guys?? There isn't a need to be able to flat foot a motorcycle with both feet, just learn how to deal with a taller bike.

I'm 5-8" with a 31 or 32 inseam, and I've owned a stock height R1200GS, 1st gen. Multistrada, and KTM SMT. All tall bikes, and the GS was super heavy to boot! The KTM felt the tallest, but who knows if it actually was. I've also test ridden 1050 Tigers, the 800GS range, and the Guzzi Stelvio...again, all relatively tall bikes.

None were a big deal to ride and I didn't drop any of them. It only takes a few rides to get used to the height.

There are way too many cool bikes out there to worry about seat height IMO, unless you're really short.

Don't pick on my friend Teddy............ he can ride.   

[teddy037.3]

5'6"/29"  and no, i'm not worried about flat-footing both feet.

[koko64]

5'6"/29"  and no, i'm not worried about flat-footing both feet.

+1
I'm on tip toes on my Hyper, but it's so light it's not intimidating and is easy to catch if I slip. Flat footing one foot is easy with the infamous butt slide.



I reckon BMW are smart and have recognized many of the great aspects of the Traditional Monster formula and have noted how Ducati is moving away from it (aiming the Uber Monster at the cashed up, middle aged cruiser market); and taken those things on board in their own way.

821 = Sportster (Ung is correct)
1200 = big twin
Diavel = V-Rod

The young hip crowd have the Scramblers, I think they will sell very well (and may take sales away from the little Monsters).
Lets hope at least the small bore air cooled Monsters continue.