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Track virgin needs guidance

Started by MotoZen, February 27, 2015, 05:36:06 PM

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MotoZen

I've never ridden a track. And I just began riding on pavement altogether. I've had a 2015 M821 for a few weeks. Should I expect this bike to perform well on the track (potentially)? Should I even bother showing my face at a track until I get more general riding experience? Or might that be a good place to hone street applicable skills?
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stopintime

If available, try to find an organizer who offers instruction.

If not, make sure you start in a novice group and ask if someone can show you around the track for a few laps.

The beautiful thing about track riding is that there are none of the usual road hazards and distractions. This makes it possible to concentrate on what's going on with you and the bike. You'll learn a lot of skills that'll improve your road safety... and have FUN doing so.

The bike is not the limiting factor.

[Dolph]
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ducpainter

If this is a track day with instruction then go for it. You'll learn a lot.

If there's no instruction just remember to ride your own pace. There are no trophy's at a track day. You don't win anything by trying to go fast.
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MotoZen

Thanks for the feedback.  Should I have a track suit before going? A friend is supposed to be giving me one that he doesn't use. But I may not have it for a few weeks. Is there any basic etiquette I need to be educated on track wise? Ideally, I'll have an experienced rider along on the first time. But was wondering about that; just in case I go it alone.
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XR 80 - outgrew 20 years ago
2015 M821. - will probably never outgrow

stopintime

The organizers will probably inform you about personal equipment requirements. Leather if possible [thumbsup]

Learn and stick to the best/ideal line around the track even if your speed doesn't demand it - if everyone follows the same line, all traffic will be predictable.

Also, use all your attention on yourself. Passing riders are responsible to pass (if at all allowed) in a safe manner.

You'll be nervous at first, but will gradually be more and more comfortable.
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MotoZen

Indian dirt-bike with training wheels -outgrew 25 years ago
XR 80 - outgrew 20 years ago
2015 M821. - will probably never outgrow

Triple J

You should have leathers of some sort, be it one or two piece. Some orgs. allow textile in the Beginner group though.

Take your time and go at your own pace. Don't worry about how fast or slow everyone else is going.

Try to learn the racing line, and be predictable in your riding. Basically, don't weave all over the place.

That said, don't use all of the track on exit. You won't need to, so leave a few feet on the outside so faster riders can pass.

Have fun!

MotoZen

Indian dirt-bike with training wheels -outgrew 25 years ago
XR 80 - outgrew 20 years ago
2015 M821. - will probably never outgrow

webspoke

With only a few weeks of riding, I would wait just a bit more.  Get more riding time in to master the fundamentals of shifting, braking etc.  That also gives you time to collect the safety gear.  Suit, boots, gauntlet gloves, back protector etc.  The initial buy in for all the pieces is steep, but you will re-use them for years.

On track instruction is a great, lots of drills, lead follow and 1:1 time.  I did my first days with the Lone Star track days guys at MSR cresson.  AMS, and also Eurosport cycles also have smaller, marque focused days for euro bikes as well.

If you get aggressive, you will probably have peg/toe clearance issues as they will start to drag.  Body position (ie hanging off) will help that.  Race style boots with toe sliders help here.
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MotoZen

Indian dirt-bike with training wheels -outgrew 25 years ago
XR 80 - outgrew 20 years ago
2015 M821. - will probably never outgrow

HotIce

Quote from: ducpainter on February 28, 2015, 03:15:44 AM
If this is a track day with instruction then go for it. You'll learn a lot.

If there's no instruction just remember to ride your own pace. There are no trophy's at a track day. You don't win anything by trying to go fast.
You forgot the other tip.
Try not to be the one that crashes in the morning session, as there is the whole afternoon for that! ;D

1.21GW

I agree with webspoke in saying you should wait a bit.  A few weeks into riding and you are still getting a feel for the bike, for braking, and especially turning.  Once all that becomes natural, then a track day (w/ instruction) will be very helpful for learning to control the bike at higher speeds and in most extreme situations.

The race organization I use offers leathers to borrow for free if you are a first timer, so you may see if any of the organizers near you do the same.

Also, as nearly everyone above has said: go at you own pace.  I ride my M900 in the beginner group on track days and I get smoked in all the straightaways by the GXRs and other jap sport bikes.  Bikes just whizzing by me.  The first time this happened, it was hard not to think that I am going too slow and then try to push it beyond my limits.  But I resisted the urge to speed up and just focused on improving my technique, which really means working the corners.  In the end, I had fun and learned a ton, and still remained within my safe limits.  So my point is: ignore any pressure (either from peers or your own ego) to go faster than you're comfortable---the track day will still be an awesome experience.
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MotoZen

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2015 M821. - will probably never outgrow

Grampa

Instead of a track day, find a skills class like Reg Pridmores classrides.
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Monsterlover

One more vote for track day with instruction even if you're only a few weeks in.

The track is THE best place to bond with your motorcycle and come to better understand it's capabilities.  There are no cops, dogs, gravel, on coming cars, oil slicks, drivers pulling out in front of you, moms in a minivan on her phone turning left in front of you, only clear, safe pavement.

And, regardless of what has been said previously, there ARE winners at track days.

Those are the people who's bikes and bodies still look and function the same at the end of the day as they do at the start of the day.  Riding your own pace within your own ability is key to that ;)
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