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Started by MsTek, June 01, 2017, 06:46:42 AM

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stopintime

#45
June 16, 2017, 11:33:45 AM
If it's more than half full, drain it or ride until it's less. Draining can be done with a tube and a fuel container. I believe it's called to siphon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siL82Qtnj_s

I would do the turn signals later.

The bike can be moved manually with the tank tilted. Or are you saying my suggested method is not possible?
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MsTek

#46
June 16, 2017, 11:54:50 AM
Cool!  Thanks for that!  I will get  the information and maybe even photos by the end of the weekend!

(I build computers, surely I can do this !!!)

:)
"Do something each day that scares you..."

koko64

#47
June 16, 2017, 01:01:39 PM Last Edit: June 16, 2017, 01:16:45 PM by koko64
Your professional skillset is a real advantage in dealing with Ducati electronic gremlins [thumbsup]. With practice you'll find yourself adapting and transferring your skillset with confidence.  You'll do great :) In time you could be doing jobs on bikes people hire people to do, for example repairs to instrument consoles. I would get LT Snyders book on desmodues and study it.

That Lithium battery  will most likely need a top up charge from a charger specific to those batteries.  Regular chargers can hurt them. What brand is it?
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koko64

#48
June 16, 2017, 01:11:43 PM
Quote from: MsTek on June 16, 2017, 11:54:50 AM

(I build computers, surely I can do this !!!)

:)

Absolutely [thumbsup]
2015 Scrambler 800

MsTek

#49
June 16, 2017, 03:23:55 PM
Quote from: koko64 on June 16, 2017, 01:01:39 PM
Your professional skillset is a real advantage in dealing with Ducati electronic gremlins [thumbsup]. With practice you'll find yourself adapting and transferring your skillset with confidence.  You'll do great :) In time you could be doing jobs on bikes people hire people to do, for example repairs to instrument consoles. I would get LT Snyders book on desmodues and study it.

That Lithium battery  will most likely need a top up charge from a charger specific to those batteries.  Regular chargers can hurt them. What brand is it?


I want to say Shoei...

Here it is.  This is what I have:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007GR5DXE/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
"Do something each day that scares you..."

MsTek

#50
June 16, 2017, 05:00:08 PM
THE PLOT THICKENS:

First off- it came home with a battery that it didn't leave with...:





And now, photo spam.  The good:

-I was able to get the tank off!!!?!!  I did what stopintime said, put two motorcycle covers on the back and leaned the tank over.  No problem  NO problem getting the tank back on either!!!
-I got a really good look under there for once and really tried to understand what is connected (escoterically since I am not sure what part is what but I think I know where the fuel lines are now and that is the fuel pump. Also really noticed the fuse box for the first time.  Found out where I need to unbolt the belt cover?!  to put on my black ones I ordered a long time ago from Europe.


So here are the photos.  The thing I think we are talking about LOOKS good.. not corroded or anything like that. But I also have VIDEO of the bullshit!! This is after this morning's video of the bike starting with no problem!! mind you, the tank was just near upside down so maybe the fuel wasn't getting down there... I dunno....









BONUS VIDEO:

https://youtu.be/oEetCvO0aQs
"Do something each day that scares you..."

ducpainter

#51
June 16, 2017, 05:10:30 PM
Your fuel pump is intermittent. There have been many threads here about bad solder joints in that device you have your finger on.

Dig out the black epoxy, resolder the connections, and use slow cure jb weld to replace the epoxy. You can remove the flange to do it, or not if you're the adventurous type...re-soldering won't make much heat. If you do, you'll need a new flange o-ring. They deform as soon as you remove the pressure.
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MsTek

#52
June 16, 2017, 05:19:47 PM Last Edit: June 16, 2017, 05:22:09 PM by MsTek
I've never soddered something before.  Is it hard?  Is the tool expensive?

Flange?

The thing that was really grinding my gears was getting that tank off- at the moment it seems to be cooperating.  it seems kinda easy maybe to do this... but I might just not know what I am really supposed to do.

Show me on Amazon what I need to buy.  I like power tools and dangerous things.  I don't want a gasoline fire.

Also- do I dig it out with a knife?
"Do something each day that scares you..."

MsTek

#53
June 16, 2017, 05:26:06 PM
Okay.. I am looking at the following threads.  I am game to do this right.

I guess when I swap the tanks that I would need to take this part out of the current tank?

Let's do it right and well.  Not half ass it. :)


http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=71783.msg1324795#msg1324795

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=68789.msg1272044#msg1272044



http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=71783.msg1324795#msg1324795
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ducpainter

#54
June 16, 2017, 05:47:24 PM
Yes...you'll swap the flange. You'll need to repair the wiring. After re-reading those threads, I'd follow Speeddogs' suggestion and..."Or, you could just replace the wiring fitting with the Ducati part, 51020032A"...no soldering involved. Just a new o-ring.
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 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
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    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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MsTek

#55
June 16, 2017, 05:59:58 PM
The part seems easiest.  I'd probably spend as much money for a sodering kit and that JB stuff...  maybe.

Where do I order that?  Do I have to go to a dealer or can I order it online?

"Do something each day that scares you..."

ducpainter

#56
June 16, 2017, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: MsTek on June 16, 2017, 05:59:58 PM
The part seems easiest.  I'd probably spend as much money for a sodering kit and that JB stuff...  maybe.

Where do I order that?  Do I have to go to a dealer or can I order it online?


Check out Ducati Omaha. They're a dealer, but do online sales. Use the online tool to check pricing and availability, then order.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


MsTek

#57
June 16, 2017, 06:11:04 PM Last Edit: June 16, 2017, 06:22:13 PM by MsTek
ORDERED!!!


I shall bug you all when it comes for direction on how I am supposed to take this whole thing apart and replace it (I was looking at the photos but still am unsure... do I drain the tank?  how do I take the thing out? What I am supposed to do next?)

If I can fix this, I will feel so awesome... and I can ride with my friend and hopefully, she won't kill herself (or me) when it's time to street ride!

THANK YOU!!!!!! :D

One more dumb question-

Can you change the fuel cap on the tank?

P.P.S.  - did I need to order an o ring?  a new filter or something?
"Do something each day that scares you..."

ducpainter

#58
June 16, 2017, 07:17:16 PM
If you remove the fuel lines with the tank upside down, you can then tip the tank, and almost all the fuel will drain out of the flange.

Cap swaps over. You'll need metric allen wrenches.

Order an o-ring, and a fuel filter. You'll be right there, and then won't need to worry about it for quite a while...6K miles anyway.

You'll need to start thinking about coating that tank. It isn't difficult. It is somewhat time consuming, and involves chemicals. There is a thread by ducatiz on a proven method with Caswell sealer. I thin mine a little more than him IIRC, but his method is right on.
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a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


Howie

#59
June 16, 2017, 10:07:33 PM
Before digging out the potting do a little more diagnosis.  When the bike stalls or does not start and the fuel pump is not priming check if there is power at the brown/white wire in the connector to the fuel pump flange.  If there is power at that wire and the pump does not prime attack the flange.  If not, post back.  It could be an intermittent fuel pump relay or wiring.

If your Shorai battery was allowed to go flat at the shop and not charged you probably needed that new battery anyway. 
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