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ducpainter

#105
December 31, 2021, 01:46:06 PM
Sounds like more than enough to me.  :P

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Popeye the Sailor

#106
December 31, 2021, 02:46:41 PM
An old oxy-acetylene rig with some coat hangers for wire would be fine.  [drink]
If the state had not cut funding for the mental institutions, this project could never have happened.

ducpainter

#107
December 31, 2021, 02:58:29 PM
He's gonna have to find somewhere to lose about 100# off the rig, or figure out a way to add HP. ;D
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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Monsterlover

#108
December 31, 2021, 03:25:51 PM
Okay so I started tacking everything together and couldn't stop. I fully welded the whole thing.

It's obvious that I'm not a welder for a living and I'm out of practice.

I can do okay on things sitting at the bench using a foot pedal but here I had to sit Indian style and use a thumb control for the amperage.

I don't like it at all compared to the pedal. I had a couple okay beads towards the end [laugh]

Everything I did will be functional for now. I'm really going to be relying on the plate and the 6x2 channel to strengthen everything. Everything I did tonight is more so the two halves stick together and I can get it off jack stands.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducpainter

#109
December 31, 2021, 03:37:49 PM
To be really honest, the 2X6 channel is over kill. Plate the inside, then box it, as planned, and it'll be plenty strong enough. If it breaks it will be at the ends of the fish plate...just sayin'. I don't actually think there's a chance in hell of it breaking if you box it.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


Monsterlover

#110
December 31, 2021, 03:39:53 PM
Noted. I guess I'm paranoid?
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducpainter

#111
December 31, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 31, 2021, 03:39:53 PM
Noted. I guess I'm paranoid?
Maybe a little. ;D...but I hear you, it would suck if it broke. The thing is, with too much welding in that localized area, you can make the metal brittle, and prone to cracking.

My opinion is the plate, and boxing the frame, will add all the strength necessary to the repair. If you want it stronger, get yourself an acorn table, and build yourself a tube frame.  By the time you're done your welds will be awesome.[laugh]

That opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it. :-*
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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Monsterlover

#112
December 31, 2021, 03:47:46 PM
I welded the inside and outside of the seam on each side.

Fish plate the outside and box the inside or fish plate both sides and box?
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Monsterlover

#113
December 31, 2021, 03:48:51 PM
It may not be the prettiest but it's a start.

2021-12-31_06-27-53 by Kevin Ames, on Flickr
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducpainter

#114
December 31, 2021, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 31, 2021, 03:47:46 PM
I welded the inside and outside of the seam on each side.

Fish plate the outside and box the inside or fish plate both sides and box?
I'd plate the inside, and box it. Grind all the outside welds smooth for appearance. If you can get a good fit on your boxing plates, I'd try a 900 fillet weld, |_ , and if you get it looking good, I'd leave that as welded. If it's a little uneven you can dress it if you want.

One other tip I learned from doing bodywork for years...don't try to do too much with one piece of metal. Your boxing plates can be multiple pieces welded at the joints, and ground, after. You'll get a much better fit, and appearance.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


ducpainter

#115
December 31, 2021, 04:16:46 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 31, 2021, 03:48:51 PM
It may not be the prettiest but it's a start.

2021-12-31_06-27-53 by Kevin Ames, on Flickr
Doesn't look too bad to me.

How are you going to treat the inside of your frame after boxing? You'll have a lot of bare metal inside there.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


Monsterlover

#116
December 31, 2021, 04:27:32 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on December 31, 2021, 04:16:46 PM
Doesn't look too bad to me.

How are you going to treat the inside of your frame after boxing? You'll have a lot of bare metal inside there.

One possibility is adding in access homes to the frame boxing plates and having everything powder coated.

Or por 15 I guess.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducpainter

#117
December 31, 2021, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 31, 2021, 04:27:32 PM
One possibility is adding in access homes to the frame boxing plates and having everything powder coated.

Or por 15 I guess.
Both work best on clean, bare metal.  :-\
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


Monsterlover

#118
December 31, 2021, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on December 31, 2021, 04:40:13 PM
Both work best on clean, bare metal.  :-\

Err.. Yeah that is true isn't it.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducpainter

#119
December 31, 2021, 07:32:04 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 31, 2021, 05:26:57 PM
Err.. Yeah that is true isn't it.
How about zinc weld thru primer? It's nasty because of the fumes. You have to wear a respirator, but the heat from the welding actually makes the heat affected zone, and the weld itself, zinc rich and very rust resistant even without paint.

Then you could do whatever you wanted on the outside.

Just something to think about.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


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