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Started by ducpainter, May 19, 2024, 03:07:05 PM

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ducpainter

May 19, 2024, 03:07:05 PM
It's no secret that I worked with chemicals most of my working life. I have emphysema because of being a lifelong smoker, and working in the auto body/paint industry. It's no surprise, and I can deal with it... I stopped smoking after my doc told me oxygen was next, and I didn't want to go there...

Recently I did a project at work using pressure treated lumber. I've been using it for the last 7 years with no apparent issues, but this last batch caused me to break out in blisters/pustules on my saw hand. No make the beast with two backsing idea what they're using now. I'm glad it's good for the environment...but what about me?
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ungeheuer

#1
May 19, 2024, 03:15:41 PM
Arsenic used to be the primary chemical used in pressure treating softwood timber (in Australia at least).  I have no idea what better idea they have these days....  ???
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ducpainter

#2
May 19, 2024, 03:18:16 PM
Quote from: ungeheuer on May 19, 2024, 03:15:41 PM
Arsenic used to be the primary chemical used in pressure treating softwood timber (in Australia at least).  I have no idea what better idea they have these days....  ???

Arsenic was the method here, until they decided that was bad for the environment. I have no idea what they use now, but it doesn't agree with me.
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ungeheuer

#3
May 19, 2024, 03:22:57 PM
Amazing isn't it.  We've worked with these products all our long lives, we're still here.... and then some bright spark reckons it's bad for us and fixes it worse.
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Howie

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May 19, 2024, 10:20:53 PM

ducpainter

#5
May 20, 2024, 03:23:52 AM
It was the PT decking that caused the reaction. According to howie's link, it might be Copper-HDO, or ACQ

What's weird is I've been working with PT decking since I started at the track, and arsenic was banned long ago. This is the first time I've had a reaction. The blisters went down overnight. Now the ones that broke are peeling.
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LMT

#6
May 20, 2024, 05:15:42 AM
@ducpainter can you take a photo of a label of the product and send it to me?

ducpainter

#7
May 20, 2024, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: LMT on May 20, 2024, 05:15:42 AM
@ducpainter can you take a photo of a label of the product and send it to me?
The tiny little tags stapled to the end of each board were all thrown out. I'll take a pic of one the next time I'm at the lumber yard.
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yamifixer

#8
May 22, 2024, 08:47:54 AM
Some "new" pressure treated lumber is made by treating it with ACQ (Alkaline Copper Quaternary) this stuff is nasty and can cause blistering and skin burns. I found out the hard way when I walked barefoot on a new deck. Not everyone is effected by it but it is a problem. Hope your clears quickly
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ducpainter

#9
May 22, 2024, 02:27:41 PM
The label says Micronized Copper Azole
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LMT

#10
May 23, 2024, 04:54:14 AM
I found the SDS for the product. I emailed what I found to Nate.  Short answer is to wear long sleeves and leather or fabric gloves. Prolonged exposure creates a worse response.

Good hand washing before eating, drinking, and smoking will help. For those that cut the wood and smoke, don't! It is a known human carcinogen.

ducpainter

#11
May 23, 2024, 03:43:48 PM
Something will kill me. At my age, I feel pretty lucky. I just never had a reaction before, and found it weird.

Keep in mind, I've been working with chemicals most of my working career, and never had a reaction.

I liked the arsenic stuff better... ;D
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Stella

#12
May 23, 2024, 08:54:48 PM
When the arsenic is better for you than the newer stuff.....    ???


Take care of yourself Nate.
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ducpainter

#13
May 24, 2024, 11:23:16 AM
For some reason the environment is more important than people these days. Certain types put on blinders on regarding some subjects.

Don't get me wrong...the environment is important, but decisions are made with little regard for the true outcome.

I won't go into more detail to avoid becoming political, racist, or insensitive...take your pick. ;D
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ungeheuer

#14
May 24, 2024, 02:06:54 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on May 23, 2024, 03:43:48 PM
I liked the arsenic stuff better... ;D
Me too.

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