On the street or on the track?
Tonight I was coming home on the freeway, riding faster than I probably should have (it was nice going my own pace not being blocked up by traffic), and I came upon an interchange of freeways, About to make a left turn. 520 west to I-5 south for those in the area.
They just repaved last week it so I thought I would take advantage and not slow down very much from my 90. At the speed I was going the turn was a lot sharper than I remember it being and I handled it by telling myself "just lean more, lean more, just a little more.. BlARGHFTP! what the fack!!" I heard scrape! I saw sparks! I felt my bike touch the pavement!
My bike got wobbly. By the time I straightened out I could still hear the song of the sausage creature fading away behind me. The image of me rolling along the overpass, my bike chasing me and my head slamming into the barrier repeatedly came very vividly to my mind, and it gave me the willies. I'm still a bit shook up even now.
When I got home I checked the bike out (dark out so I couldn't see well) and nothing showed any signs of scraping. I'm almost 100% positive it was the left footpeg.
What else might have scraped? (Monster 696)
I ride like a Wuss so No but I only ride the street and its prob not a good idea to be riding that aggressively on the street
to drag parts unless you have some lowered bike like harley which prob scrapes all the time...
I only had it happen to me once and it was the outer part of my boot and foot peg that touched. I was on the way to work and I go through a gigantic new trucking terminal (largest in the midwest) all fresh concrete that they sweep and run a magnet over daily. Anyway I was doing 70 and swept through a sweet curve that ive been steadily getting more agressive with I felt my boot vibrate and then the peg drag, that was my first time touching on my S4. It startled me because I didnt realize how far over the bike was, I was zoned in on the curve and what was coming up. I knew the surface I was riding on was taken care of and was in full gear which is why I attempted something like that and it was awsome I need to get to a track sometime.
I dragged a toe once. it was rad.
I dragged a toe once... but, instead of envisioning my limp body tumbling into a barrier, I got to think about what it meant to go off the side of Red Mountain pass. Anyone who has been to Ouray knows what I mean!
I've dragged a toe a couple of times and when I had the stock exhaust it used to touch down occasionally, but nothing other than that.
hm, i'm not sure on a 696, but i know that you can scrape the kickstand feeler on monsters. might take a look at that.
if not that, then i dunno...
I agree, most likely foot peg. I dragged my foot peg once, scared the crap out of me... totally unexpected.
I've dragged the kickstand nub on the left and the rear brake lever on the right, both on the track.
Oh, and once my heel on the street (was pointing out potholes to a newbie behind me). [cheeky]
Cans...
toes...
and pegs...
in that order...only on the track!
The exhaust touching was remedied by suspension improvement and body position.
When the pegs started folding up under my dragging toes.
I got an SS for the track.
I've not had anything drag on my S4R. Even when fully cranked over on the edge of the tire. The rearsets probably help some, but I just don't see it ever happening - certainly not on the road. There is a great decreasing radius highway exit that I sometimes hit on the way to work. smooooooth blacktop. As fast as I feel I'm going round it (bout 75-80) I can't imagine pushing it any more. I did put a hole in the knee of my jeans once though. Fast enough for me!
I've only logged about 350 miles on the wife's Monster and haven't dragged a toe nor hard parts on it, but.....she drags toes a little too easily and uses it as a gauge as to when she needs to slow down a little. She rides with her balls properly on the pegs, so she's probably only 1/2" away from scrubbing hard parts with the width of her boot giving her just that little bit of warning. She also drags toe on her R1, though.
I've dragged toe, header, cans, sidestand, and center stand on my ST2 and I've dragged exhaust clamps on the Paso, but the only time I dragged anything other than a knee on the 748 was when I was sliding down the track from a lowside. Other than the lowside on the track, all dragging tends to be on the street.
Same thing here, when I drag toes & pegs, it's time for me to cool it off. I'd say it was a peg or can. I know on the older bikes the stock exhaust was the 1st thing to drag.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on September 17, 2008, 07:03:41 AM
I know on the older bikes the stock exhaust was the 1st thing to drag.
My wife's '01 has high-mount exhaust, so I'm guessing pegs would be the first to scrape.
(http://i28.tinypic.com/i1fd5f.jpg)
that was the 696 in North Carolina mountain backroads....
i was impressed.... [thumbsup]
couldnt get anything else to touch......
but DAMN does that little thing handle...!!!!!
pegs of a zx6r on the track. rider error. fixed body position and went much faster with much more clearance.
Quote from: Desmo Demon on September 17, 2008, 07:10:58 AM
My wife's '01 has high-mount exhaust, so I'm guessing pegs would be the first to scrape.
Yea, once you change out the pipes the pegs are the 1st thing down ~
JM
OP, what were you riding? I "polish" the corner of my right exhaust can relatively regularly. It's the kickstand nub that I don't like to grind. I guess I should look into raising my suspension height or something.
Quote from: Statler on September 17, 2008, 07:20:31 AM
fixed body position and went much faster with much more clearance.
+1....this is why I started hanging off the seat. I was dragging hard parts too often while sitting upright in the seat, so now I hang off and rarely drag anything other than a knee. In my wife's situation, though, she is physically incapable of sliding off the seat, so she is limited by the bike's ground clearance while sitting upright.
Stock foot pegs drag a lot... just get some race rear sets... and it usually cleans up that issue. What's wrong with another costly mod anyway? Its supposed to be modded. [thumbsup]
I'm a drag
ODrides - I'm riding a 696.
I checked it out again this morning, and it looks like it was actually the kickstand that dragged. The kickstand on the 696 doesn't really have a knob, but it looks like it dragged on the side of its foot.
This makes me want to work on my form and hanging off.
Besides the obvious risk involved in taking a corner that hard, how dangerous is it when you drag a part? I felt afterward like I had been on the verge of dumping, but then again this was my first time scraping.
Dragging a hard part can cause weight to come off one or both of the tires (hard part carries some of the weight load that gives you traction) and cause you to lose traction ~
JM
Quote from: bobspapa on September 17, 2008, 11:33:56 AM
I'm a in drag
fixed ;)
(I keed, I keed)I've dragged my toe and peg on my monster once.
And on the sumo, I drag my feet a lot. Of course, I stick my foot out intentionally, so it doesn't really count.
I've dragged the foot peg on my 696 going around the round-about on campus. You don't have to lean over too far to get the stock rearsets to drag on it.
Here you can see that on the right side, the brake pedal is the first to touch
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/lean1.jpg)
Yeah.... I've drug footpegs, kickstands, exhaust parts, and feet. If you aren't realizing how hard you are pushing it, it will definitely startle you. On the Monster I have to be particularly mindfull of my feet. Make sure I'm on the balls of my feet. If I don't I grind the outter edge of my boot everytime. Be careful, also if you set up for the corner and get off the bike a little(like gp riders) your bike will remain more up right through the corner adding additional cornering clearence. Not neccessary for relaxed riding but fun to practice. I also find if you overcook a corner as you described, it's easier to haul it over farther if you're already in position so you're not upsetting the bike midturn by trying to save it. Good riding technique is something that should be practiced every ride.
BTW, Bad ass shot Capo [thumbsup]
I've dragged the pegs, exhaust, handlebars, swingarm, tank, back protector...... ;D
I've dragged a sidestand nub on the street. I was relatively new and it made me stand up the bike mid-turn and run off. Grind that godda*m f'n piece of sh*t off. >:( I've dragged low-mount cans on a DSS monster on the track. I've dragged footpegs on the track with my racebike. That's pretty scary cuz the pegs are fixed and it levers your tire off the ground. It's a lowside cuz waiting to happen. As for crashing, I've dragged myself and pretty much every hard piece on a motorcycle at one point or another. I once dragged DanTheMan's entire bike underneath mine (he may have been in the mix too).
Quote from: Capo on September 17, 2008, 12:33:47 PM
Here you can see that on the right side, the brake pedal is the first to touch
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/lean1.jpg)
Hey Capo, you see this thread (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=11443.0) re clearance?
Quote from: Capo on September 17, 2008, 12:33:47 PM
Here you can see that on the right side, the brake pedal is the first to touch
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/lean1.jpg)
A stock exhaust can will scrape first. And that looks like you just fell over at a standstill ;)
Quote from: aguacate on September 17, 2008, 11:40:12 AM
...Besides the obvious risk involved in taking a corner that hard, how dangerous is it when you drag a part? I felt afterward like I had been on the verge of dumping, but then again this was my first time scraping.
Scraping parts means you won't be able to tighten up your turn to correct your line if needed, so it is not a desirable place to be. At that point your only options for correction are to ease out of the turn or get even closer to a low-side crash.
Quote from: ODrides on September 17, 2008, 01:32:32 PM
Scraping parts means you won't be able to tighten up your turn to correct your line if needed, so it is not a desirable place to be. At that point your only options for correction are to ease out of the turn or get even closer to a low-side crash.
Scraping hard parts also means that you are adding a pivot point to the bike. If you scrape hard bits, it's pretty easy lever the tires off the ground, or alternatively, provide just enough leverage that you reduce the traction from the tires. Any suspenion compression is going to come down right on that hard bit and not on your tires. Then you're screwed.
In short, scraping hard parts is really, really bad. Don't do it.
Quote from: Capo on September 17, 2008, 12:33:47 PM
Here you can see that on the right side, the brake pedal is the first to touch
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/lean1.jpg)
wow, what bike is that that you are riding? i didn't know that the monsters could lean that far over before dragging parts?, i notice the cans aren't hitting at all but obviously you don't have stock footpegs on. if you can lean that far i can't see how a sportbike would be much more than that..
I drag the kickstand on my 696 quite often. Scares the crap out of me every time. They really need to come out with a better design for the kickstand. My toes have scraped a bit but that is easily fixable with different foot positioning.
Here you can see you don't have to lean as far as Capo ;) to drag the kickstand nub, at least on my 695.
(http://paularickert.net/albums/userpics/Keigwins_2007-10-07C.JPG)
Quote from: msincredible on September 17, 2008, 09:11:57 PM
Here you can see you don't have to lean as far as Capo ;) to drag the kickstand nub, at least on my 695.
(http://paularickert.net/albums/userpics/Keigwins_2007-10-07C.JPG)
Is your 695 stock height?
Mine's lowered (came from the dealer that way ... haven't got around to raising the rear again) and it's no challenge to drag the pipes even with high-mounts. Of course, I'm heavy, and haven't resprung either, so I have the worst possible situation going. I hadn't been riding for a month when I had my first drag. Scared the piss out of me ... even worse 'cuz I was such a newb.
If there are any MOB members reading this and want to come over and help remedy these situations, I have all the parts and plenty of beer! ;D [drink]
Anybody who grew up riding the shit out of an r90s beemer on or off the track knows all about draging stuff and I finally got to the point where the old beemer could out handle almost anything and not drag - that takes some handing off for sure. If you're on a shaft drive beemer and you start dragging hard parts, the last thing you can do is roll off the throttle. :o :o :o
At least on a Duc you don't loose much (hardly any) ground clearance when you do roll off the throttle.
With the back end of a S*R chassis picked up an inch, preload jacked up and getting the torso over the road these bikes aren't bad to drag. If you are doing all you can do body position wise and you still drag the feet and pegs, you're in the "zone" - the fun zone and the danger zone. But yea, I do it a lot and my sneeks and boots tell the tale. And yea, sneeks aren't the best footwear to ride in either.
LA
Quote from: mmakay on September 18, 2008, 08:14:25 AM
If there are any MOB members reading this and want to come over and help remedy these situations, I have all the parts and plenty of beer! ;D [drink]
Bring it to the next wrench day, man ;)
Quote from: msincredible on September 17, 2008, 09:11:57 PM
Here you can see you don't have to lean as far as Capo ;) to drag the kickstand nub, at least on my 695.
(http://paularickert.net/albums/userpics/Keigwins_2007-10-07C.JPG)
Nice reflectors. [cheeky]
I scraped my kickstand a few weeks ago.
It was very un-nerving
Drug my shoe, then the peg, then my elbow, shoulder, helmet, side of the bike, gas tank, tail section, forks, a butt cheek, the list goes on.
[thumbsup]
I dragged the stock cans on my 695 twice, once hard enough to gouge the aluminum. The low mount DP cans never scraped, but more times than I can count the foot peg touched and the boot scraped. I just started changing body position and had the suspension reworked and it helped a lot. Went just as fast through the turns, actually faster and didn't drag anything.
Quote from: Beyote on September 18, 2008, 07:35:11 PM
Drug my shoe, then the peg, then my elbow, shoulder, helmet, side of the bike, gas tank, tail section, forks, a butt cheek, the list goes on. [thumbsup]
Know what you mean. Been there, done that, got the tattoo - or ....... scars that is. [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Thank god it's been a while.
LA
dam and I thought I was the only one who dragged a boot / peg (not)... scared the crap out me ... 90 degree corner going down a slope and trurning left; a long drag and thought my boot was going to be pulled backwards under the bike ... luckly just kept going and processd what happened as I drove along; like your first orgasam; oh! thats what that was .... ;D ... right of passage ...
I dragged the whole left side, seriously layed it over. Oh wait, I crashed. [thumbsup]
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/timmer357/05-14-08047.jpg)
On my monster 695 i managed to drag the kickstand nub regularly. I also dragged the exhaust can and pegs once or twice. My toes had dragged before but that was due to bad form.