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Mmmmmmmm me likey.....  :o

I like [thumbsup]



....................just wait for the controversy to start ;D

 I prefer this version of the new Monster than the 696 model, With the big clunky swing arm removed and a SSS in it's place and the better wheels, this version looks much better.

If I was in the market to replace my S2R, this 1100 model would be on the radar.

But those passenger foot peg mounts would be machined off within hours of picking up the bike, such a boring part of the bike and Ducati has made it such a visually dominant part, at least paint them black!

The pearl white 1100s would be good  [thumbsup]

anyone what to buy a black m1000s? It's a classic!

Upgrade,Upgrade,Upgrade

I'm going shopping.........

WOW.  Silver with the red frame for me please!


And as soon as I get the 900SS running right...  [bang]  [laugh]

The headlight is still ugly.
The rearsets suck.
The false tank things still look like a toy.
The exhaust still looks like foldger cans handing out the ass.

Yup, even with a SSS and a big motor -- it still looks like shit.

The new design is growing on me.

Like cancer. Or gangrene.  [thumbsup]

I'm starting to warm up to it. Air cooled, dry clutch, radial brakes, and Ohlins suspension are definitely plusses.

As per my comments in the 1100 spy photo thread... after 36 hours with the 696, I think it's not going to be a bad bike. The ergos just make the beast with two backsing suck for me, thus, it's off my list. What they've changed (SSSA, wheels, suspension if you go the 1100S) won't fix the ergos, so...

let's wait for the ron  [evil] to chime in

thats really too bad...
not for me

Got an email from Ducati about the bike this morning...

I really expected a different exhaust and something different in the paint scheme.  At a glance (especially from the left side) it looks just like a 696...unlike the S*R, which looks radically different from the 695.

I've just joined the Monster family, so haven't heard all the rumblings...is there any talk of a Monster "above" the 1100?

I'll keep my '03 1k  :-\

Ducati could have done better.

mitt

As ugly as the 696...just more expensive
I rather put some Oehlins on my door stopper.
And then you need another 3000 to get rid of the donkey ears, the exhaust canisters and the other fugly toy parts.
But anyway..
If anyone is selling their S2R /4 just let me know.
I just wanna see the Hyperfighter...

Am I the only one that actually likes this bike??  [roll]

Quote from: DesmoTull on September 25, 2008, 06:02:04 AM
Am I the only one that actually likes this bike??  [roll]

On one of the other threads about the 696 there are more votes for liking the bike then hating it.

Quote from: DesmoTull on September 25, 2008, 06:02:04 AM
Am I the only one that actually likes this bike??  [roll]

No [thumbsup]

Pass.  After seeing that, the only new ducati I'm interested in snaggin' is something to satisfy my superbike fever.

i still think the exhaust canisters are a tragedy, and i'm still not sold on the tank, but the 1100 is certainly much easier on the eyes than the 696.

(zarn: adept of the left-handed compliment :P)

I love the Silver and do agree that Ducati could have done more with the M1100 but in the other hand, I'm glad it is very similar to the M696. Hopefully there will be more mods for this monster line.

god thats a shame....
and i OWN a 696.....!
ducati needs to get rid of the engineers and get a DESIGNER again...
where the classic bikes, 996,998,s4rs were voluptuous italian objets
with classic lines that flowed for miles,
this bike is an abominition of generic cookie cutter pieces pasted together.
theres no flow or rhythm to this bike,
it a freakin' hunchback that ends at the handlebars,
that pug nose dead-ends the lines of the bike and kills it.
of course the pipes suck, everybody changes them anyway, so no argument there....
glad to see the SSS but its awfully tall in the ass,
looks lke a german streetfighter, need to clean up the space around the rear end if youre
going to show it off with a SSS, it looks like a jacked-up redneck 4x4 to me....
what a shame.
im sure glad i got my s4rs when i did...!!!!

All the arguments for the 696 can be used here too.

It looks like 2 separate bikes if you draw a line down the center.

The vents and rear sets are just wrong.

This new monster series is certainly a polarizing machine.  It seems you either love it or hate it.

I for one love it  [thumbsup]

Its alright i actually like the look of the 696 better the SSS just looks so out of place with that design.  Don't get me wrong i LOVE the SSS but something about it just doesn't look right to me on that frame.  As someone said previously it might be how high its sitting with it.  I need to see one in person before i pass any more judgment.

Well, for all those that hoped the new S2R was going to look different than the 696.....there you go.  No change except the swing arm.  I said it in another thread.....there is no way Ducati was going to tool up and redesign the Monster and not use the parts on the other models.  I knew it'd look exactly like the 696.  

I was wrong about the swingarm though....thought they'd keep the 696 arm.  But other than that looks exactly like I thought it was going to.

I dig it......

Dry clutch?

Quote from: trouble on September 25, 2008, 06:49:06 AM
Dry clutch?

looks like it to me.

subframe=disaster
the full trellis made the monsters beautiful, and now they go and screw it all up...

Things I like:
The titanium color scheme w/ silver wheels
SSS
The tank vents are growing on me
Dry clutch


Things I don't:
They cut the fracking frame in half again!!! Hate hate hate. This ruined the entire bike for me. The frame is iconic.
Rear sets
Ugh. The exhaust.
Weird swoopy pipe
When I sit on the 696, I'm forcefully shoved against the tank by the angle of that seat. Looks the same here.
Headlight



But, to each their own. If you like it, go buy it and ride it. I'll happily stick with what I got.

Fix the damn headlight already.  Not only is the bar that divides the headlight in two wrong, but the sloping angle is wrong. 

Maybe it is time to divide the board into two boards.  One for the classics and one for the newbies. 

So it's a 696 with a SSS... Hum? Some will love it, some will hate it. I won't be selling my bikes for it. 

Quote from: lazarus7 on September 25, 2008, 06:28:09 AM

ducati needs to get rid of the engineers and get a DESIGNER again...

You couldn't be more wrong.  The beauty of the old bikes are that every part drew it's form from the function of the bike's design.  Only a good design engineer can do that.  The new bike's were drawn by "designers".  Plastic tank covers?  No engineer would do that shit.  Big, fat, un-aerodynamic exhaust cans?  What's the engineering purpose in that?  That stupid little zit of a fairing that blocks no wind, and protects no portion of the bike ... sorry, only an "artist" would even consider it.  (The quotes are because good artists, or designers, wouldn't do it either!)

I am an engineer at a very successful product design firm.  The thought that anyone would blame engineers for that bike just pissed me off.  You are welcome to your opinion, but you obviously don't know any engineers or designers.  

Sorry for the rant.

Quote from: Travman on September 25, 2008, 07:01:35 AM
Fix the damn headlight already.  Not only is the bar that divides the headlight in two wrong, but the sloping angle is wrong. 

Maybe it is time to divide the board into two boards.  One for the classics and one for the newbies. 

Amen on the headlight.  That thing is a tragedy.  I wouldn't mind seeing some pics of 696s with new headlight configurations.  It would be interesting.

  [popcorn]

Bee-aaa-utiful

Still looks like the stock seat would be a nutcrusher... but otherwise very very nice. I'm glad they included the updated headlight instead of putting that same crap you could find in the back room of any motorcycle shop like on other monsters. I really like the SSS too, good idea. And those wheels? Awesome.

Who cares about the exhaust cans? Most duc owners mod the crap out of them anyway right? Get a set of Termis or LV's and call it good. I happen to like the stock cans but to each their own I guess.

So are they going to make an S4R version too? It would have been nice if they gave the s2r1000 the ohlins too.  :( 

 [bang]


No thanks

Quote from: mmakay on September 25, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
You couldn't be more wrong.  The beauty of the old bikes are that every part drew it's form from the function of the bike's design.  Only a good design engineer can do that.  The new bike's were drawn by "designers".  Plastic tank covers?  No engineer would do that shit.  Big, fat, un-aerodynamic exhaust cans?  What's the engineering purpose in that?  That stupid little zit of a fairing that blocks no wind, and protects no portion of the bike ... sorry, only an "artist" would even consider it.  (The quotes are because good artists, or designers, wouldn't do it either!)

I am an engineer at a very successful product design firm.  The thought that anyone would blame engineers for that bike just pissed me off.  You are welcome to your opinion, but you obviously don't know any engineers or designers. 

Sorry for the rant.

+1

form over function = industrial designer

function over form = engineer

making an iconic design like the gen1 monsters = 1 in a million gifted Italian Artistic Engineer

<tangent>

I gotta give Duck-Stew props for being ahead of the curve.  His last two full-bike projects had a SS-style shock position on a DSS (ala 696) and an ss-style shock position with a SSS (ala 1100).   And look what Ducati came out with . . .

</tangent>

I have to admit, the look of the bike has grown on me but the ergos -> not for me.  I rode the 696 and it's VERY easy to ride but after 5 minutes, you're wanting more.  I couldn't imagine owning nor riding one for longer periods of time.  Even with more motor, I'd get bored easily...  Too Motard for me...

Sorry Ducati, sticking w/ my S2R800...

I think we're gonna need to see a nice well modified one...

I don't like the look of the stock S2R/S4R really at all(I can appreciate it though) but I think the modded ones look absolutely awesome.  (Slightly lower bars, no headlight fairing, exhaust, etc.)

Yep, I agree w/ SS3035. 

Weren't people drooling over the one at the IndyGP w/ the 4v crammed in it and bling bits all over?

It's a new canvas for somebody to work on  [thumbsup]

Like the 696, out of the box, it looks cheap.  With a bunch of mods it can be made into something to be desired.  With all the $$ and time to do so, it just loses my interest.  Kinda looks like the MV Agusta with the SSS. 

I think one major thing people haven't said yet is that the new monster is a hypermotard minus about 20 lbs [evil].  Switch out the cans, crappy passenger pegs, and I think you have a winner.  The one at indy was freakin' rad!  I don't think I'll need a 4 valver for awhile though.  The hypermotard brings the front end up pretty easy and I'm sure this one will too.  I'm definately interested in a dark version which I think will be the 1100.  I'll just throw a gsxr front end in like I have on my s2r and I'll be happy. + dry clutch woohoo!

I didn't like a lot of things about my RS either, but it was the closest bike to what I wanted/pictured so I got it and changed what bugged me.

The 1100 just has more to change (for me), that's all.

the SSS is the biggest change i see on the 1100 besides the engine of course.

the headlight compared to the old bike is like comparing a 2008 Nissan 350Z to a 1972 Datsun. way more advanced. brighter. better.

the new suspension upgrades will be cool for those people larger than 160lbs.

the exhausts are large yes, but in reality very little difference than a lot of people's original mods from low exhausts to high exhausts. they have their drawbacks just like the other high exhaust ducatis. ie no saddle bags. but for cornering clearance. no more dragging pipes

i wonder what the weight and HP figures are. you have to figure it will weigh less than the S2R and have at least that HP. so a better handling, faster bike that the biggest aircooled Monster now.

and unless they build the hypernaked bike, the liquid-cooled monster with 160hp is logically next.

While only a 750, I think I prefer the Aprilia Shiver to the new Monster, mostly based on ergos. 

Quote from: zarn02 on September 25, 2008, 06:21:17 AM
i still think the exhaust canisters are a tragedy, and i'm still not sold on the tank, but the 1100 is certainly much easier on the eyes than the 696.

(zarn: adept of the left-handed compliment :P)

I just figure they beat the ole udder. Easier just to change the cans than the cans and the cat eliminator, no?

370lbs, 95 hp, 70lb torque wowoowwowowowow :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o.  Ditch the stock exhaust and passenger pegs you could get it down to 360 ish.  that's almost 40 lbs off my s2r! with 20 more hp

true, who ever thought that udder thing was a good idea and looked good enough for a ducati should be mauled by you 696-detractors.

wonder how proud they are gonna be of that....
probably more than it will cost me to save up for the ohlins, and some performance engine mods

:P

Quote from: Raux on September 25, 2008, 10:29:46 AM
the headlight compared to the old bike is like comparing a 2008 Nissan 350Z to a 1972 Datsun. way more advanced. brighter. better.

They gay bar across the headlight definitely does not make it more advanced or brighter. 

Quote from: Travman on September 25, 2008, 11:03:15 AM
They gay bar across the headlight definitely does not make it more advanced or brighter. 

Yeah, because the old ducati lamp is the industry standard for brightness....  [roll]

Quote from: labbedds on September 25, 2008, 10:40:13 AM
370lbs, 95 hp, 70lb torque wowoowwowowowow :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o.  Ditch the stock exhaust and passenger pegs you could get it down to 360 ish.  that's almost 40 lbs off my s2r! with 20 more hp

but these numbers are the same as the s2r1k, so the engine has a bigger displacement and the same output? (of course the s2 is a lot heavier)

Engine update is good, as with the 696.  Not excited about the stuff wrapped around it, though.  No '09+ monsters in my future.

Quote from: DesmoTull on September 25, 2008, 11:09:04 AM
Yeah, because the old ducati lamp is the industry standard for brightness....  [roll]

All the people who flash their lights at me cause they think my low beam is a high beam must be silly.  I think my "old style" headlight is plenty bright.  Maybe I'm silly?

Quote from: 707soldier on September 25, 2008, 05:22:03 AM
let's wait for the ron  [evil] to chime in

How does 2/v w, top model producing  only 95 Hp and 79.5 lb. ft. of Torque float your boat .....Dolph

Quote from: ICON on September 25, 2008, 08:34:11 AM
So are they going to make an S4R version too? It would have been nice if they gave the s2r1000 the ohlins too.  :( 

Top of the line is the 1100S , 2/v ...no S4R .  or S4Rs !  Dolph

Quote from: mmakay on September 25, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
You couldn't be more wrong.  The beauty of the old bikes are that every part drew it's form from the function of the bike's design.  Only a good design engineer can do that.  The new bike's were drawn by "designers".  Plastic tank covers?  No engineer would do that shit.  Big, fat, un-aerodynamic exhaust cans?  What's the engineering purpose in that?  That stupid little zit of a fairing that blocks no wind, and protects no portion of the bike ... sorry, only an "artist" would even consider it.  (The quotes are because good artists, or designers, wouldn't do it either!)

I am an engineer at a very successful product design firm.  The thought that anyone would blame engineers for that bike just pissed me off.  You are welcome to your opinion, but you obviously don't know any engineers or designers. 

Sorry for the rant.

agreed....
form follows function, but in this case the form was the primary focus
e.g. the nutcrusher seating position, which looks unchanged from the 696...
were arguing semantics here,
taglioni and tamburini, et.al. created a MACHINE that WORKED and just happened to wind up
sexy as hell...
THESE people have DESIGNED a commodity to compete in a marketplace they dont need to be in...
cookie cutter robotech tron bikes....
just stick to the soul and youll have a following for as long as you want....
not my cup of tea, but, for example, harley davidson.
i understand theres got to be room for progress, etc, but not at the expense of functionality
just to get attention...
you really want a $12k bike that only makes 100hp because they skimped on the mechanicals to amortize the startup
of a new 'BETTER" looking style...
or would you rather have a natural evolution of the species that gains ground on ALL fronts...
this bike is a loss in power, suspension, ergonomics, over is predecessor....
you really want to trade your bike on for one that is WEAKER, LESS comfortable and visually less appealing....?
i know its a new thing, like i said i OWN a 696 and its growing on me....
but i think theyve really screwed the pooch by putting a their money into STYLE and not so much into SUBSTANCE....
and its not a question of designers vs engineers, dont get your panties in a bunch/ take it personally;
i think the group responsible for the creation of this bike has misread what the important design cues are for
us, and for this particualr machine and market.

just my .02

Quote from: lazarus7 on September 25, 2008, 12:14:28 PM
i think the group responsible for the creation of this bike has misread what the important design cues are for
us, and for this particualr machine and market.

+1

unless they really get into the aftermarket parts, then they will make a ton, b/c I can't see someone being happy with that without a ton of upgrades/changes?

I hope it grows on me but I doubt it :'(

I am saddened that Ducati has not produced a bike IMHO that is as sexy and as sensualas my '07 S4Rss.

The fact that you can't get a Monster w, more than 95 HP and a 2V engine seems very surprising .  It's like Ducati is moving backwards.

Why drop the 4/v engine and the higher HP output ?

It seems like a big jump from 95 HP to a 1098 w, 160 HP.

I'm sorry Ducati, I guess I made the right decision when I bought 2  '07 S4Rss. Still have only 7 miles on the one !    Dolph

Well I'm glad I have my S2R.  Could be worse I guess.  The thing will get modded to the point it looks good by plenty of people.  I bet the first company to make tank panels without the vents in them will make a pretty penny.

Things I don't like that can be changed:
Exhaust
Rear sets
Headlight
Seat
Then all the regulars, mirrors, levers etc.

The one thing I can't get by and the reason I didn't get a 696 is the curved path the front header takes.  I hate the line it makes, visually.  Not a big deal to most, but next to the first generation Monsters it was a deal breaker for me.

Things I like:
SSS
Wheels
Dry Clutch (I'm assuming it has one)

With all that being said I can't wait to see one in person.

Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 25, 2008, 12:25:24 PM
I am saddened that Ducati has not produced a bike IMHO that is as sexy and as sensual as my '07 S4Rss.

I'm sorry Ducati, I guess I made the right decision when I bought 2  '07 S4Rss. Still have only 7 miles on the one !    Dolph

+++1,000,000 agree [roll] :(

If it's based off of the 1100 Hypermotard, here are the numbers:

Hypermotard:
Power*:   90hp - 67kw @ 7750rpm   
Torque*:   76 lb-ft - 10.5kgm @ 4750rpm   
Bore and stroke:   98 x 71.5mm   


S2R1000:
Power*:   95hp - 70kw @ 8000rpm 
Torque*:   69.5 lb-ft - 9.6kgm @ 6000rpm   
Bore and stroke:   94 x 71.5mm 

how does a headlight bar acquire a sexual orientation?  born with it?  experimented a little when on a smaller bike?

Quote from: Rufus120 on September 25, 2008, 12:27:35 PM

The one thing I can't get by and the reason I didn't get a 696 is the curved path the front header takes.  I hate the line it makes, visually.  Not a big deal to most, but next to the first generation Monsters it was a deal breaker for me.

Oddly, that's one of only a few things I really like about the new design!   :o

I think it's a nice, subtle evolution/modernization of the Monster, but I'll keep my S4R.

Quote from: Statler on September 25, 2008, 12:32:40 PM
how does a headlight bar acquire a sexual orientation?  born with it?  experimented a little when on a smaller bike?

Well it depends who frequents said bar.

An improvement over the 696, but maybe not enough for some.  How can one tell if this is a dry clutch by looking at pix only?  Or is there other info out there?

Quote from: r_ciao on September 25, 2008, 12:58:24 PM
An improvement over the 696, but maybe not enough for some.  How can one tell if this is a dry clutch by looking at pix only?  Or is there other info out there?

The cover. Dry clutches just have a small cover which only covers the clutch itself...you can see it in the photos. Wet clutches don't have a separate clutch cover, as it is all part of the engine case.

I don't like the trellis frame anymore.  It looks swolen -- the tubes are too thick -- and then it ends abruptly, making the contrasting color seem out of place.  It's just not pleasing to the eye.

Quote from: Triple J on September 25, 2008, 01:05:11 PM
The cover. Dry clutches just have a small cover which only covers the clutch itself...you can see it in the photos. Wet clutches don't have a separate clutch cover, as it is all part of the engine case.

Thanks Triple J.

I wonder if you can bolt an 848 or 1098 on to that puppy and give it some more juice.   ;D

 [thumbsup] [thumbsup] Good Job Ducati, love it!

Quote from: ryandalling on September 25, 2008, 02:06:04 PM
I wonder if you can bolt an 848 or 1098 on to that puppy and give it some more juice.   ;D

No -- the frame isn't wide enough to fit a 4v motor.
You probably won't see a 4v in this monter style any time soon.

Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 25, 2008, 11:27:06 AM
   How does 2/v w, top model producing  only 95 Hp and 79.5 lb. ft. of Torque float your boat .....Dolph

Because a lot of people (me included) don't particularly care for the look of the 4 valve model with the big radiator and all.

Plus, the Monster is a street bike. Is there really any situation in which 135HP is going to be better than 95HP in a way that Johnny Law isn't going to have an issue with?

Another thing I find interesting is the number of people all willing to give up Desmo in the thread about Ducati's rumoured new engine, but the hybrid trellis frame of the new Monster has a rather vocal group of detractors. Just an observation.

Quote from: superjohn on September 25, 2008, 02:49:32 PM
Plus, the Monster is a street bike. Is there really any situation in which 135HP is going to be better than 95HP in a way that Johnny Law isn't going to have an issue with?

Technically, the desmodeci is a streetbike. What are you gonna do w/ 200hp?

Quote from: wbeck257 on September 25, 2008, 02:54:38 PM
Technically, the desmodeci is a streetbike. What are you gonna do w/ 200hp?

Me? I'd kill myself as would a number of others. The only way to REALLY enjoy that bike is to get it on a track.

Quote from: superjohn on September 25, 2008, 02:57:00 PM
Me? I'd kill myself as would a number of others. The only way to REALLY enjoy that bike is to get it on a track.

Me too.  But with a huge grin on my face.

Quote from: optiato on September 25, 2008, 02:58:36 PM
Me too.  But with a huge grin on my face.

[laugh] Well, yeah there's that!!

Ok, who wants to donate one for me to ride to my death on?  I'll give you exclusive video rights.

I saw the thread and was excited to see what was in store... I should have waited   :-\.

Just like on the 696 I think that frame is HORRIBLE, I cannot figure out why they messed with a good thing.  Those canisters on the back look like they are trying to rip off Suzuki or Yamaha. Those ugly things need to stay on rice rockets where they almost look ok.

I don't think this will be on my Christmas list this year.

Quote from: armybiker on September 25, 2008, 03:04:07 PM

Just like on the 696 I think that frame is HORRIBLE, I cannot figure out why they messed with a good thing. 

How many years in a row do you expect a company to make the same exact bike?

Quote from: someguy on September 25, 2008, 03:11:11 PM
How many years in a row do you expect a company to make the same exact bike?

well in HD case... FOREVER... now who wants Ducati to follow THAT lead. (all you haters raise your hands please)

SO sick of this. the bike is a change, change is just that. like it or not it happens. just like everyone that CHANGED things on your 1st and 2nd gen monsters.

oh BTW how many of you that hate the new monster didn't change a thing on your bike? probably not many.

and the 1100 probably makes at least 95 hp since it might have the new head design like the 696 which got a bump in hp despite having no increase in displacement over the 695.

geez people get a life. ducati is changing things. now either buy one or don't but do you seriously think ducati cares about your whining?
i don't think they want to follow HD lead despite so many of you wanting that crap road to follow.

Quote from: Raux on September 25, 2008, 03:26:33 PM
well in HD case... FOREVER... now who wants Ducati to follow THAT lead. (all you haters raise your hands please)

SO sick of this. the bike is a change, change is just that. like it or not it happens. just like everyone that CHANGED things on your 1st and 2nd gen monsters.

oh BTW how many of you that hate the new monster didn't change a thing on your bike? probably not many.

and the 1100 probably makes at least 95 hp since it might have the new head design like the 696 which got a bump in hp despite having no increase in displacement over the 695.

geez people get a life. ducati is changing things. now either buy one or don't but do you seriously think ducati cares about your whining?
i don't think they want to follow HD lead despite so many of you wanting that crap road to follow.

you know what? we're entitle to our opinions, whether its like or dislike. And this freaking thread is about, you guessed it, opinions of the new bike.

so hows about everybody just accept that not everybody is gonna like it and let people voice their opinions? mmmkay?

you can rant about it or rave, but let other people have their opinion and don't bash them for having one.

I like it esp. the "S" model. The SSS is definitely better looking than the chunk on the 696.

Its like beating a dead horse over an over, no one will be satisfied. It's human nature and its the Internet.

i love it, but i do own a 696 so i guess im a little biased?  too much bike for me tho...my 696 is my first bike and i wont be reaching its limits for a long time.

Just as a point of Interest, My Dealer received an Email from the Managing Director of Ducati Australia and they were advised that Ducati has officially stated there will be no new 4 valve Monster for the 09 model year, the S4R and the S4Rs are still ongoing.

The earliest replacement for the S4R and S4Rs is the 2010 model year.

I think I would like it if they change the rear passenger pegs and get rid of that swoop exhaust. Make it flow under the bike. It's not like we would be going off road and need the clearance. I'm not going to get rid of my S2R.

hmmmm....

has anyone seen photos of the 1100 with a frame that's not red?

Quote from: Raux on September 25, 2008, 03:26:33 PM
well in HD case... FOREVER... now who wants Ducati to follow THAT lead. (all you haters raise your hands please)

SO sick of this. the bike is a change, change is just that. like it or not it happens. just like everyone that CHANGED things on your 1st and 2nd gen monsters.

oh BTW how many of you that hate the new monster didn't change a thing on your bike? probably not many.

and the 1100 probably makes at least 95 hp since it might have the new head design like the 696 which got a bump in hp despite having no increase in displacement over the 695.

geez people get a life. ducati is changing things. now either buy one or don't but do you seriously think ducati cares about your whining?
i don't think they want to follow HD lead despite so many of you wanting that crap road to follow.

yes, actually. i think they watch these types of free market research very carefully.

Quote from: CairnsDuc on September 25, 2008, 04:01:46 PM
Just as a point of Interest, My Dealer received an Email from the Managing Director of Ducati Australia and they were advised that Ducati has officially stated there will be no new 4 valve Monster for the 09 model year, the S4R and the S4Rs are still ongoing.

The earliest replacement for the S4R and S4Rs is the 2010 model year.

i must have misunderstood? i thought they were discontinuing the s4r line.
are you asserting that this is not the case, or that while the current line is discontinued, there is not yet a replacement for it?

As much as i don't think i'll be outgrowing my 696 any time soon, when i am in a position to pass it on to my brother and get a bigger bike, this is frickin' sweet.

Imagine that sucker with boomtubes!!!!

HOT!  [bacon] [bacon] [bacon]

if the new headlight is brighter than the old one i'm all for it, it goes with the bike and also the older style headlight is abbolute crap honestly.  if you think that is good then eithe ryou have a modified one or you like riding in low light conditions.

i still would like to know wwhere the oil cooler goes on this bike, i dont' see it.

its obvious this is the direction they are going, if you dont' like it wait for them to change in a few years, ie. the 999 body style, or switch brands.  it seems like all the ducati monsters will take on this appearance in time. the s4r are the next thing i predict.

its also sad to see that the exhaust shape is the way they are going but hey guess that is great apportuinity for someone to make a nicer shaped exhaust aftermarket and grab that segment.

i personally liek the new subframe and trellis design, not exactly lik ethe older style but hey its an evolution like the d16 style frame that is covered by the faring.

Quote from: Statler on September 25, 2008, 10:10:36 AM
I didn't like a lot of things about my RS either, but it was the closest bike to what I wanted/pictured so I got it and changed what bugged me.

The 1100 just has more to change (for me), that's all.

Therein lies the rub. From the Ducati aftermarket point of view it is a good thing and a bad thing. Some folks are thrilled to have such an open canvas to work with as long as their pockets are deep enough. Some folks, especially the newer folks, seem to like the stock version just fine. That's OK, to each their own.

I just think that it's too bad that some folks have to make some expensive mods just to get the bike to run properly or handle properly. The old basic Monster could be left alone in it's stock form and almost no one had any serious problem with it. The old bike also had a wide open canvas.  Harleys are like that too. This new bike seems to polarize too many folks.

Quote from: Raux on September 25, 2008, 03:26:33 PM
well in HD case... FOREVER... now who wants Ducati to follow THAT lead. (all you haters raise your hands please)

SO sick of this. the bike is a change, change is just that. like it or not it happens. just like everyone that CHANGED things on your 1st and 2nd gen monsters.

oh BTW how many of you that hate the new monster didn't change a thing on your bike? probably not many.

and the 1100 probably makes at least 95 hp since it might have the new head design like the 696 which got a bump in hp despite having no increase in displacement over the 695.

geez people get a life. ducati is changing things. now either buy one or don't but do you seriously think ducati cares about your whining?
i don't think they want to follow HD lead despite so many of you wanting that crap road to follow.

You think maybe were a bit sick of your extremely harsh defense of the design as well? This is a thread about opinions. Just say you love it and leave at that. But we get to say we don't like it too. All that matters in the end is is that you like your bike.

And yes, Ducati does care about our whining. The 999 didn't last long. Lots of our mods have made into standard issue sport classics and S*R bikes.

Regarding the modifying of the bike. That theory doesn't hold water either. Stripping the DOT required she-at off a beautiful design is not the same as having to try to modify a bike to make it palatable. I mean the only 696ish bike that most have liked is the one shown at indy. Unfortunately it probably cost 3 X the cost of the bike to make it look good.

I just bought a hypermotard. I was not looking forward to the release as I was a bit worried I would have felt like I should have waited for the new Monster. That's not the case. The hyperfighter or whatever might make me feel that way but so far, so good.

ahhh i digress, a bit bad tempered lately.

seriously my opinion is that we all enjoy our bikes for what they are - Ducati

no design will ever satisfy every pallet. but one of the reasons motorcycles are so great is that they are a work of art, a canvas, for each of us to build our own mona lisa

Celli's bike is a great example. that is NO WHERE near the original design of the bike, but it is a masterpiece of his.

each of you given enough money could make a 696 or 1100 into a masterpiece you would be happy with. or maybe you will wait for the hyperfighter, or a HM.

anyway you choose, if you choose to buy a new Ducati, the new styles will come.

i expect to see soon, tubular trellis subframes that will satisfy some of the purists. if i were an aftermarket producer, that would be high on my list. (dibs on the copyright)

also, we have already seen low rerouted exhausts to satisfy those detracters.

WE ALL have opinions, and at least we all agree on one thing DUCATI.

please accept my apology for my 'tude and enjoy your rides, fellow Ducatisti  [moto]

Herm, I can only go off what my dealer here in Australia has been told, I saw the Email yesterday, there may be a new line/model EG: Hyperfighter, but the 4 valve monsters are ongoing for the time being.

I would have thought this new model (Hyperfighter) will come in at a price premium above the S4R/S4Rs models, allowing it will use the 1098 motor so not interfering with the Monster line (If this Hyper fighter model even exists)
Which will use older testretta motor

It would not make sense for the local distributor to make a claim like that to his dealers and customers and then a few weeks or month's later find out it was a lie, His dealers would lynch him and then sue him back to the stoneage and the customers would beat the shit out of what was left.

I wonder about the existence of the Hyperfighter, When before the August break on the Desmo blog on Ducati's website, they were asking for customer feedback on putting the 1098 motor in a Monster style of setup.
Maybe they said it to throw off the BikeMags? or to shine the light on the upcoming 1100 monster?
Who knows, but it should be an interesting Bike show in November!  ;D

Quote from: hbliam on September 25, 2008, 04:45:59 PM
And yes, Ducati does care about our whining. The 999 didn't last long. Lots of our mods have made into standard issue sport classics and S*R bikes.

Well, I don't think Ducati cares so much about our whining as it does about our money. The 999 was canned because it didn't sell worth a crap, not because everyone whined about it. From what I've read, the 696 has been flying off the floor.

Quote from: superjohn on September 25, 2008, 05:05:19 PM
Well, I don't think Ducati cares so much about our whining as it does about our money. The 999 was canned because it didn't sell worth a crap, not because everyone whined about it. From what I've read, the 696 has been flying off the floor.

True in a sense. The whining was the precrusor to the "not buying". It's not a good comparison though. The 696 is "flying off the floor" because it's the cheapest Duc you can buy.

Quote from: hbliam on September 25, 2008, 05:08:25 PM
True in a sense. The whining was the precrusor to the "not buying". It's not a good comparison though. The 696 is "flying off the floor" because it's the cheapest Duc you can buy.

Isn't it going for around 10k? Cheapest, maybe, but still not cheap.

Quote from: hbliam on September 25, 2008, 05:08:25 PM
True in a sense. The whining was the precrusor to the "not buying". It's not a good comparison though. The 696 is "flying off the floor" because it's the cheapest Duc you can buy.

Time will tell I suppose.


Now, if only Ducati made a motard........

Quote from: superjohn on September 25, 2008, 05:11:17 PM

Now, if only Ducati made a motard........

Who would buy one of those?   [roll]



And for the record, the new Monster still looks like shit.   [thumbsup]

Quote from: sbrguy on September 25, 2008, 04:30:02 PM
i still would like to know wwhere the oil cooler goes on this bike, i dont' see it.

Look under the frame and above the horizontal cylinder. There is a black plastic piece. It has a mesh front, and black plastic sides. The oiler cooler is in there. A pretty slick way to hide it IMO...as the current oil coolers are ugly.

The 696 has the same oil cooler cover...but it's empty. I specifically checked at the local 696 intro. party. If I had a 696 it'd be one of the 1st things I removed...right after the reflectors and emissions shit.

Quote from: Rameses on September 25, 2008, 05:49:26 PM

And for the record, the new Monster still looks like shit.   [thumbsup]

at least you didn't say it looks like a FLAMING turd.  ;)

Quote from: zedsaid on September 25, 2008, 06:44:57 PM
at least you didn't say it looks like a FLAMING turd.  ;)

What's that supposed to mean??   ;D


[laugh] [laugh]

Quote from: Triple J on September 25, 2008, 06:17:07 PM
Look under the frame and above the horizontal cylinder. There is a black plastic piece. It has a mesh front, and black plastic sides. The oiler cooler is in there. A pretty slick way to hide it IMO...as the current oil coolers are ugly.

The 696 has the same oil cooler cover...but it's empty. I specifically checked at the local 696 intro. party. If I had a 696 it'd be one of the 1st things I removed...right after the reflectors and emissions shit.

yeah there's a mount there on the frame itself, i had posted about it before. i'm waiting for the oil cooler kit to come out for the 696.

Aaaaand the winner of the 2009 Redesign of the Year Award goes to.....
























(http://www.impactpress.com/articles/octnov97/booger.jpg)

THE BOOGER!!
You can get one in YELLOW!!

OK, the new, redesigned Jimbo sez:
I like-
     silver wheels
     the specs
     (thinking....)
     It'll make Mulitstradas fly off the shelves?  OK, I tried.

Someone should be ashamed.  At least 'belle can strike one off her list.

Quote from: jimboecv on September 25, 2008, 10:22:08 PM
.......
OK, the new, redesigned Jimbo sez:
I like-
     silver wheels
     the specs
     (thinking....)
     It'll make Mulitstradas fly off the shelves?  OK, I tried.

Someone should be ashamed.  At least 'belle can strike one off her list.

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 25, 2008, 12:25:24 PM
The fact that you can't get a Monster w, more than 95 HP and a 2V engine seems very surprising .  It's like Ducati is moving backwards.

Why drop the 4/v engine and the higher HP output ?

imho, they're working the marketing... is just like the s2r800, s2r1000, s4rs ... they were rolled out in a sequence to garner the most attraction and sales.

:) chris

I want to ride one before I pass judgement on it. 

First impression is kinda blah though.  :-\

I still hate it.

I like it, especially the color options [thumbsup]. How much is it going to cost?

Quote from: otter1 on September 26, 2008, 10:25:50 AM
I like it, especially the color options [thumbsup]. How much is it going to cost?

A lot.

The 696 is $10,300 or something out the door when I asked at my local dealer. I got my S2R800 for $9250 OTD, which reflected a $500 discount. And this was before the S2R1000 was introduced, so the S2R800 was technically still in demand.

So the M1100 is prolly going to be $12~$14k. I believe we'll start seeing the MSRP finally creeping up to reflect the strong euro against the US $.

:) Chris

I don't care what they come out with now. I got my 800 and it's perfect for me.

Quote from: Triple J on September 25, 2008, 01:05:11 PM
The cover. Dry clutches just have a small cover which only covers the clutch itself...you can see it in the photos. Wet clutches don't have a separate clutch cover, as it is all part of the engine case.

Yea on most bikes, but check out the quick change wet clutch on this Bike.

(http://www.vitalmx.com/images/photos/10005/08_CRF450R_Detail_03.jpg)

There is no reason why this cant be done on almost any bike.

geez people get a life. ducati is changing things. now either buy one or don't but do you seriously think ducati cares about your whining?
i don't think they want to follow HD lead despite so many of you wanting that crap road to follow.
[/quote]
Think back to the 999 if you honestly believe Ducati does not care. It was only produced for three years,  when we were blessed with the 1098.
No one IMO can look at this new bike and think it can possibly have the run the Iconic design has had. For those  of us who are less than Impressed with the new bike, all I can say is it's gonna be a long stretch until the redesign  [bang]

Ciao

Quote from: MendoDave on September 26, 2008, 11:56:17 AM
Yea on most bikes, but check out the quick change wet clutch on this Bike.
There is no reason why this cant be done on almost any bike.

I was referring to Ducs specifically.

Dammm!!!! that bike is beautiful!! ;D Shit, now I have to sell my 696, 

I guess I can wait until I see what the liquid cooled naked looks like and costs  before I pick up an 1100S.

I love It  [clap]

One of the distinguishing components of past monsters has been the trellis frame and the way it flowed with the length of the bike to make it look mean and aggressive.  The trellis frame on this new bike, however, does not look like it's part of the bike, but rather just bolted on to maintain a semblance of the monster image.  It seems too short and fat to me.  And no black monster.  Sacrilege  Just my $0.02.

Mike

Mike, There is going to be a black version.  I saw a picture yesterday on one of the news sites.  I couldn't find it just now, but perhaps someone else will post it.  I thought it looked best in black, but I always lean towards black.

I love hearing how the Monster's design is a classic and that engineers screwed up! You guys do know that the Monster was designed by going through a scrap bin and figuring out what fits right. The only thing that was probably designed was the fuel tank.

I am not sure if I like or hate it but I dont like the wheels on the 696, I do like the SSS on the 1100 though, the dry clutch is a plus, they were smart enough to put an oil cooler in this bike unlike the 696, the ohlins suspension and radials are a plus but they put an ohlins without compression adjustment in the back, and they are gonna charge 14K c'mon.

my biggest issue with the current monster is that the frame is flimsy, perhaps I am riding too hard but the bike doesnt feel stiff enough, mind you have had full race tech built forks and nice nice ohlins in the back, cranked ride height, etc. the bike handles great but it doesnt inspire confidense like some bikes. of course the argument could be had by saying that I should just buy a sportbike but I prefer something with a bit of comfort too it. so perhaps comfort and performance.

I dont know the new 696/1100 frame looks a beefier and a bit more rigid, can anyone with a 696 who rides aggressive atest to this?

I love the 1100 engine this new version has, but IMHO it is very ugly. It just doesn't quite capture the essence of the Monster. Granted I like the new components and upgrades the bike has (better brakes, looks less cheaply made).

Quote from: MonsterSteve on September 26, 2008, 04:29:49 PM

I dont know the new 696/1100 frame looks a beefier and a bit more rigid, can anyone with a 696 who rides aggressive atest to this?

No FHE, but the magazines are saying the 696 is the best handling Monster ever. I expect the same for the 1100.

Okay after looking at the pics of the 1100 Monster I noticed a few things. I like it a lot better than the 696 because of the better wheels, and single-sided swingarm. Yet I miss the trellis frame throughout the bike. Sure it looks more modern, but the older one was a classic. I want some feedback please....

cg

pull my finger

I'd get one, but has to be the 'S'
Its everything that I want in a bike, Ducati  [thumbsup], low weight; 169kgs, good suspension, more than enough hp and torque and the monster ergos.
Reckon its going to be a bit expensive; NZ$20K for the 'S at a guess.
I might have to get a tinted visor so that no one can recognize me when riding it. :)

I'm in between the first to poll options. I do like it, but niether more nor less than the current Monster. I've had years to let the warmth blossom that I feel for the current design. But I do find the new one atttractive, more as a totally different bike though. The new one does nothing to take away the feeling I have for my Monster. I guess what I'm saying is that to me it is as much a the Monster as the Hypermotard is, they are both naked twins and the similarities end. Apples and oranges, I can like them both.

this is being covered about 10 posts down the page (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=11990.0) [roll]

This poll is really not neccessary.  If you have to have a poll on whether something is cool or good looking then it probably isn't. 

The superbike inspired single-sided swingarm on the new Monster 1100 looks rather bland next to the elegant swingarm on the classic S2R 800 and S2R 1000

Bland
(http://www.motorcycle.com/images/content/Review/duc_3body0925.jpg)

Compared to ;D
(http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=96110&d=1221778256)

Quote from: leftcoastduc on September 26, 2008, 12:36:47 PM
Think back to the 999 if you honestly believe Ducati does not care. It was only produced for three years,  when we were blessed with the 1098.
  [bang]

Ciao

Crap, I better keep this 07 999 I've got in a case, because it must be a collector item.  999's were made from 03-07, which is 5 years.  Happens to also be the most winning SBK ducati has ever made.

In any case, at $14K + fee's, the 1100s is going to have a HARD time selling.  New 1100s for $15-16K OTD, or used S4RS with loads more power for 10K?  Hmmm.....
Ducati will care when it's sales fall into the crapper because of the falling dollar and crappy econ.  The cheap 1098 (relativly) and 848 pulled them back into the game, but when the 848 is 15k and the new 1198 is creeping into the 17's, the sales are going to fall.

As with the 696,  the initial view looks good, until you are visually assaulted by the plastic junk up front and the poor routing of the exhaust on the right side.    Kind of like a super model wearing a bib and showing off a botched colostomy.   jmo

Quote from: Travman on September 26, 2008, 07:34:11 PM
The superbike inspired single-sided swingarm on the new Monster 1100 looks rather bland next to the elegant swingarm on the classic S2R 800 and S2R 1000

Bland
(http://www.motorcycle.com/images/content/Review/duc_3body0925.jpg)

Compared to ;D
(http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=96110&d=1221778256)

cant get a good look at the SSS because of that fugly rear set [puke]

I can't wait for it to come out, and have someone Bin it, so I can get the motor.  [evil]

Well I guess I'll ride my S2R until I get tired of it and then forget about Ducati.   :'(


I was chatting with the dealer the other day and we discussed the new 1100.  I told him I hated the 696 style.  Conversation ended at that point..and we started to discuss Triumphs. 


Oh well.  All good things must end.

What I don't understand is why go with a similar, but not the same sss as the 1098? It would cost them less money and it looks better than this thing. I don't hate the bike, but I don't like it. I won't be buying it, especially considering I got a similar bike (2006 S2R1K bought in 2007) for $5000 less OTD....

I can't vote since my opinion isn't represented. I don't hate it, but I don't like it either....

I have come to terms with the fact that the 696 at the shop looks better in person then any pics I have seen.  The single sided swingarm on the 1100 helps, as does the engine.  But I just can't get past the frame, half frame, whatever.  I look at the front section (trellis?) and it now looks gimicky.  Like it has no actual function except to look like the older frames. 

the thing is... the 916 body.. and the original monsters... are classic styles that will look awesome in twenty years.... the newer models will look good now, ( that is if you even like them now) but that will fade as they become out dated. i would go with a classic as a pureist... but that does not take away from the fact that the newer models have their place...

meh.

boobies.

or was it anal?

Quote from: teddy037.2 on September 26, 2008, 11:02:46 PM
meh.

+ [puke]

Thinking about getting one but swapping with s4/r 916 and 748 is a big gamble. Going to wait to at least next year to think about it. Like it a lot but can I give up the old school.

Hate it like the 696, cause what they have changed (SSSA, frame, motor, suspension) doesn't address the fact that I just plain don't fit on a 696.

All well and good to base decisions on photos, but I like to enjoy riding what I buy, and I have to enjoy it in all days, not thinking "damn, I wish they'd made that tank a bit narrower" or "why the make the beast with two backs didn't they put some padding around where the trellis meets the cast subframe, cause my knee is make the beast with two backsing sore from locking into that when I'm up on the balls of my feet when riding on a nice twisty piece of road".

Ignoring everything else, the ergos are why it's not going to be a bike for me.

 quite like it the 1100 sticker and ss swingarm seem to give it a better look [thumbsup]

Looks like the new SV.  Bleh.   [puke]

I don't know if I'm just getting more accepting, or if it's my nature to adjust to some kind of equilibrium. When it first came out, I didn't really like the design. Then I saw it in person and didn't really hate the design. Now, with SOOOOO many people expressing what comes close to apocalyptic disdain for this new Monster, I am starting to actually like it. I like the old one better mind you, but I still like this one in as much as I like Brutales and Bimotas.

Lose the rear sets and put on some carbon fibre Termi's and it would look a lot better. I'm looking forward to what the new Mulitstrada looks like though.

I really do not mind the looks too much ....... really............
Problem is I tried a 696 and the tank and seat area were a horrible fit. My legs were riding on a ridge on the tank and where the old tank was not the most comfortable to ride without a cup the 696 was all but impossible. I have not been on a more uncomfortable ducati and that counts the superbike range. The last bike I rode that fit me that poorly was a Moto Guzzi monster wanna-be, Ducati must have hired the designer.

who knows maybe this bike is different.

I guess all good things have to come to an end  :'(. I don't think this looks as good as the "old" monster but it's growing on me.

Replace those stock cans with aftermarket ones. It won't surprise me if there will be shotgun style cans available soon like on the S2/4R. Don't know what to think about the new routing of the exhaust either. Maybe it looks better in real life?

Tail chop will be a piece of cake it looks like, no actual cutting of frame as far as I can see. Just remove the plastic tail piece and add a plate/light/turn signal bracket.

Replace the footpegs with good looking rearsets.

Miss the trellis frame ofcourse, that's probably the only thing I really dislike about the new Monster. Hard to do something about also, but hey, get your welder and grinder and start modding for real and add a steel trellis piece to your new monster  8).


I'll probably replace my M900 for a S4r soon, hope they keep the S4R as is for 09...... ???

The problem with these new rear sets are the same as the older, non S*R style, Monsters; if you change the rear sets, you lose the passenger pegs. I don't ride with passengers, but if I wanted too, all I have to do is put them back on....

I like it!  [moto]

I don't like the hybrid frame, it looks cheap like the Kawi 650 but the rest of the bike is a bullseye to me!

I probably won't be enticed to buy one because I love my very modded S2R1000 but I will seriously consider a new bike when the 1098 version comes out  [clap]

(http://www.autoblog.com/photos/ducati-monster-1100-and-1100-s/1058871/)

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=12007.0

I think it looks like a Suzuki.

I think that with the SSSA, it looks better than the 696.

No way  [evil] Of course, it can be modded, but will still be over-designed and will still look like a jap.

Even as stock I fell in love with the S*R models at first sight - that is not going to happen with the new design. Since they changed what I fell in love with, I feel within my right to hit on her sister (the new Hyper, Multi or Fighter).

Ducati has not let me down - the Monster design team has  :-\

Quote from: NAKID on September 26, 2008, 10:11:59 PM
What I don't understand is why go with a similar, but not the same sss as the 1098? It would cost them less money and it looks better than this thing. I don't hate the bike, but I don't like it. I won't be buying it, especially considering I got a similar bike (2006 S2R1K bought in 2007) for $5000 less OTD....

Makes sense to me: use the swingarm and engine of the Hypermotard for the Monster, and use the swingarm and engine of the 1098 to build the HyperFighter. I would have liked it better though if they'd used the 1098 swingarm for the monster (like the Indy one).

Edit: Seems I was wrong; they are using a complete new swingarm.

found some pics:

(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo108/IdZer0/DMF/mon1.jpg)

(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo108/IdZer0/DMF/mon2.jpg)

(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo108/IdZer0/DMF/mon3.jpg)

(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo108/IdZer0/DMF/mon4.jpg)

(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo108/IdZer0/DMF/mon5.jpg)

(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo108/IdZer0/DMF/mon6.jpg)

Your pics don't work for some reason. They work on your photobucket, but they don't work full size....

still haven't seen a pic of one without a RED trellis...

Its not a trellis, its a tragedy 
Like a fat girl in pink mini skirt with a pair of oakleys [bacon]

Quote from: ArguZ on September 28, 2008, 09:28:03 AM
Its not a trellis, its a tragedy 
Like a fat girl in pink mini skirt with a pair of oakleys [bacon]

agreed... but my point is, all photos, that i've seen of IT, IT is RED

Quote from: NAKID on September 26, 2008, 10:18:38 PM
I can't vote since my opinion isn't represented. I don't hate it, but I don't like it either....

+1

Looks like it might be time for me to tighten the belt and buy another S?R while they are still available.  I will not have one of these in my garage.

The swingarm is a huge improvement  over the ugly POS that was on the S*R.

Quote from: ArguZ on September 28, 2008, 09:28:03 AM
Its not a trellis, its a tragedy 
Like a fat girl in pink mini skirt with a pair of oakleys [bacon]

I get the fat girl in the pink mini skirt part, but what do the oakleys have to do with the comparison?

Quote from: Travman on September 28, 2008, 02:53:35 PM
I get the fat girl in the pink mini skirt part, but what do the oakleys have to do with the comparison?

It's all part of the Oakley/Ducati cross-marketing.  (it was a pink Puma miniskirt, BTW)

Quote from: ducatania on September 28, 2008, 10:55:21 AM
The swingarm is a huge improvement  over the ugly POS that was on the S*R.

???
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/DSCN2032-1.jpg)

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but just in case, get your eyes checked.  ;D

Very nice looking bike. I have enjoyed my 696 a lot, even though it's cold as hell here already, I can't quit riding it :D I think this one is going to be even better. Especially the fact that it is going to be the lightest bike in it's category. They didn't make it this year as the best naked of the year, but there is good potential for the next year now :)

Official Site
http://www.monster.ducati.it/index_en.html (http://www.monster.ducati.it/index_en.html)

I've started to save my pennies   ;D

Quote from: DuCaTiNi on September 28, 2008, 09:20:33 AM
still haven't seen a pic of one without a RED trellis...

(http://www.monster.ducati.com/resources/gallery/1100s_sl/10_big.jpg)

I like the idea of better forks, but i wish they weren't gold on the M1100S.

Might have to do the "murdered" black vinyl tubing on them.

(of course i'm not buying one until the eventual price drop)

Do you think the used price of the old full trellis monsters will not depreciate as much anymore. I'm thinking my 05 620 might be worth more if they don't make them like that anymore. I don't like the old design, and if I were to upgrade to a higher displacement, I guess I have to look in the classifieds for the 'good' monster....

I'm sorta sad...  :-[

Quote from: DucatiScott on September 29, 2008, 03:56:51 PM
(http://www.monster.ducati.com/resources/gallery/1100s_sl/10_big.jpg)

That's got to be definite proof Ducati is listening to us.

(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo108/IdZer0/DMF/11s.jpg)

Now if Zard would just make an exhaust like the one at Indy.

Quote from: ducatania on September 28, 2008, 10:55:21 AM
The swingarm is a huge improvement  over the ugly POS that was on the S*R.

The old one flowed well with trellis frame and I considered it a work of art.

By no means was it a POS  ???

I like it even more now ;D

I guess that makes me a shit designer [thumbsup]

Found some more new pics:
http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/ducati-monster-1100-e-1100-s-statiche-e-dinamiche/1 (http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/ducati-monster-1100-e-1100-s-statiche-e-dinamiche/1)

including one in all black:
(http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/ducati-monster-1100-e-1100-s-statiche-e-dinamiche/big_ducati_monster_1000_10.jpg)


also an official vid:
http://www.youtube.com/v/IGTWJmW0pIA

Well, it's not totally ugly.  It just doesn't move me.  The older style with the trellis frame was IMHO simply a beautiful bike...simple and elegant.  The new style looks really plastic.  While the minimalist lines of the original bikes were its defining feature, the lines on the new bike are chaotic.  Its almost as if Ducati is trying hard to mimic the style of Japanese bikes. 

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has this been on the site yet?

The new monster is OK, I think that the exhaust would have to go right away. Ill wait until I see one in the flesh. 
I would of preferred a lighter bike to an increase in power or engine capacity.
I wont be getting rid of my 1000s ie, i still love the look of the old generation monster with the DSS arm.
Don

Quote from: The Don on September 30, 2008, 10:53:00 PM
I would of preferred a lighter bike to an increase in power or engine capacity.

This one *is* lighter.

The rear subframe alone saved them about 12 pounds of sexy.

Curious about the heat shields on the exhaust as black.  Is it CF or just painted differently?

I plan on getting the Termignoni exhaust on my M696 just so my wife's legs don't turn into  [bacon] when she's on the back...

Not horrible, I prefer the older style myself .....but what is with the stupid tapered exhaust on all the new bikes?  [roll]  That's my least favorite part.

Quote from: Wang on October 01, 2008, 01:46:24 PM
Curious about the heat shields on the exhaust as black.  Is it CF or just painted differently?

I plan on getting the Termignoni exhaust on my M696 just so my wife's legs don't turn into  [bacon] when she's on the back...

i bet it's CF

Quote from: Obsessed? on October 01, 2008, 12:55:10 PM
The rear subframe alone saved them about 12 pounds of sexy.

not a good thing.
we dont want to be stingy with the sexy now do we?

Quote from: herm on October 01, 2008, 06:58:35 PM
not a good thing.
we dont want to be stingy with the sexy now do we?

Being stingy with the sexy is baaaad.

how about being bad with sexy [evil]

Being baaaaad with sexy is universally regarded as very, very good.

Quote from: Obsessed? on October 02, 2008, 07:36:59 AM
Being baaaaad with sexy is universally regarded as very, very good.

Are you a shepherd, by any chance?

just remember....
"baaaaa" means no.
[roll]

Quote from: someguy on October 02, 2008, 01:02:37 PM
Are you a shepherd, by any chance?

Sheep lie. Don't believe them.

will this one be about the same performance as the S2R1000? I have never ridden a 1000 2v.. and was wondering if I would miss the power/torque being used to my S4R 996 engine. Makes sense now with this new 1100 that Ducati will introduce the 4v new chassis version next year..