The new (Monster) Superbike, called the Fighter. All Monsters will be 2V, whilst the Fighter will cover the 4V Superbike engined versions.
http://blog.ducati.com/post/216/comp...e-vacanze#more (http://blog.ducati.com/post/216/comp...e-vacanze#more)
http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/...er/ke3291.html (http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/...er/ke3291.html)
Thanks to information from a company insider, we can exclusively reveal that Ducati will be launching an all-new 1098-powered naked streetfighter at the EICMA show in November. The 2009 Ducati Fighter was presented to dealers last week to "stunned silence to the point of awkwardness." There's apparently a lot of confusion as to where the Fighter will fit in the Ducati lineup as it will be priced above the 2009 Ducati Monster 1100's $12,000 and closer to the Ducati 1198's $16,495. While the pricing has yet to be finalized, the Fighter is estimated to be in the $14-15,000 range.
The Aprilia Tuono, MV Agusta Brutale 1078RR, Benelli TnT rival will be powered by the outgoing 1099cc water-cooled V-twin from the 1098. That model is being replaced with the larger capacity 1198 for 2009. The Fighter will use a smaller airbox than the donor bike, so will make a little less than that model's 160bhp and 90.4lb/ft of torque.
The Fighter will use a steel trellis frame, as on the 1098, but will have a much more upright riding position. It uses a 1098-style tailpiece, but with dual stacked exhausts mounted on one side, shotgun-style.
We expect lower-gearing for punchier acceleration, making the Fighter a much more suitable bike for city riding than the 1098, but it should retain that model's fully-adjustable USD forks and Showa monoshock for excellent handling. We don't know if the Fighter uses a single-sided swingarm.
The Fighter marks a shift in thinking for Ducati's naked range. The Monster will now use air-cooled engines only (the water-cooled engines won't fit in the new frame) and will remain relatively affordable. The high-end segment of the naked market will now be solely covered by the Fighter.
This marks the third new Ducati model that we've been able to exclusively unveil in the last two weeks. In case you haven't already seen it, make sure you check out our coverage of the 2009 Ducati 1198; 2009 Ducati Monster 1100 and 1100S; and our by-the-numbers comparison of the 1198 with the rest of the 2009 superbikes.
The Fighter will be launched at EICMA on November 4th or 5th. We'll bring you official info and images then.
yeah there is a thread below talking about this too.
just talked about the potential of a 4v in the new monster in the hp vs torque thread.
if this is true no 4v monster then.
hopefully the fighter will maintain the ducati 'lighter' theme and stay below the 390lb mark of the S4R.
another thing that confuses me is the price difference between the 696 and the 1100. seems like there's room for a 900 version there now. since no more 4V monster. or maybe they need to chop the price of the 1100 to make room for the fighter.
Quote from: Raux on October 06, 2008, 10:09:52 PM
yeah there is a thread below talking about this too.
just talked about the potential of a 4v in the new monster in the hp vs torque thread.
if this is true no 4v monster then.
hopefully the fighter will maintain the ducati 'lighter' theme and stay below the 390lb mark of the S4R.
another thing that confuses me is the price difference between the 696 and the 1100. seems like there's room for a 900 version there now. since no more 4V monster. or maybe they need to chop the price of the 1100 to make room for the fighter.
1100 is the new 900... well 1000DS was the new 900 and now the 1100DS is the new 1000DS. In my opinion there is no reason to have a bike between the 696 and 1100 - it would be too close to one or the other... the 696 is just too good.
I've seen the new bike - pretty cool. I'm sure a lot of Monster owners will pick one up.
I think I heard that the 2 valvers will have spring actuated valves after 2010 and the new 4V layout will be a GIANT improvement over the 1198. This is because the Pantah and the 1198 share the same basic layout. The new Superbike engine in 2010 will not even have accessilble timing belts, as it will be a very reliable chain. Only the 4V Superbike engines will be Desmodromic.
Some fact, possibly some fiction. Too hard to tell coming down the grapevine.
it would be a travesty if only the superbikes had desmo in it.
that's the whole point to having a ducati.. having those damn valve adjustments for every bike with such short intervals and the click/clack sound of the desmo valves from the 620 all the way up to the d16.
Quote from: sbrguy on October 07, 2008, 12:04:24 AM
it would be a travesty if only the superbikes had desmo in it.
that's the whole point to having a ducati.. having those damn valve adjustments for every bike with such short intervals and the click/clack sound of the desmo valves from the 620 all the way up to the d16.
I thought the whole point was because of the dry clutch?
Oh wait...
Yeah, make the beast with two backs technological advances and longer maintenance intervals. Oh wait, this isn't Harley...
I'm so confused... :-\
I wonder if there was the same hoo haaa when they moved away from bevel drives [bang]
i wouldn't mind lower maintenance. but i think the poit behind ducati is exotic. i mean lamborghini wouldnt be lambo if they didnt shoehorn a 12 cyl into a shoe size car.
but seriously, ducati is a brand not a piece of equipment. if they feel they can give us better bikes then let them. if we dont like the change we dont buy them. then they change to something else. 999 anyone?
Quote from: Raux on October 07, 2008, 05:44:29 AM
i mean lamborghini wouldnt be lambo if they didnt shoehorn a 12 cyl into a shoe size car.
Last time I looked a Murcielago were a pretty big shoebox ;D
1st link no worky. Here's the working link w/ a "presumed" photo:
http://blog.ducati.com/post/216/compiti-per-le-vacanze#more (http://blog.ducati.com/post/216/compiti-per-le-vacanze#more)
I don't understand what the big brains at Ducati is thinking. :-\
The top of the line Monster has always been a stripped down Superbike. I don't understand the desire to rebrand a "new" line. If I put on my cynical hat, the press release sounds like Ducati is ceding the naked bike category to the MV and Aprillas and instead trying to "create" a new category which is "naked superbike"...I mean come on, who care how the powerplant is cooled.
There's got to be more to this story behind Ducati's rationale that's not leaked yet...
[bang]
If that picture is accurate, it looks great! :)
curious to see more photos and details. Good find, thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Raux on October 07, 2008, 05:44:29 AM
i wouldn't mind lower maintenance. but i think the poit behind ducati is exotic. i mean lamborghini wouldnt be lambo if they didnt shoehorn a 12 cyl into a shoe size car.
Quote from: big bear on October 07, 2008, 05:58:28 AM
Last time I looked a Murcielago were a pretty big shoebox ;D
i doubt you'd complain about the v10 gallardo.
(and there are rumors of a v8 running around out there)
I kept telling you guys it WASN'T going to be another "Monster". [wine]
Quote from: derby on October 07, 2008, 08:31:13 AM
i doubt you'd complain about the v10 gallardo.
(and there are rumors of a v8 running around out there)
hey dont get me wrong. i only mention Lamborghini because it is my absolute all time fav and a goal in life to own one. i was saying the exotic nature of Ducati equates to Lambo.
Quote from: wbeck257 on October 07, 2008, 04:56:05 AM
I thought the whole point was because of the dry clutch?
Oh wait...
Yeah, make the beast with two backs technological advances and longer maintenance intervals. Oh wait, this isn't Harley...
I'm so confused... :-\
but is a ducati still a ducati if it no longer has the desmodromic system in it?
take out the desmodromic system, put in hydraulic or spring actuated valve train and its basicaly now no different than other italian makers like mvagusta, aprilia, or japanese brands like honda, kawa, suzuki.
the dry or wet clutch can go or stay though the dry is more the "ducati" thing, but take out the desmo and it no longer has any differnce than any other brand.
Quote from: sbrguy on October 07, 2008, 11:01:37 AM
the dry or wet clutch can go or stay though the dry is more the "ducati" thing, but take out the desmo and it no longer has any differnce than any other brand.
What about Bevel drive ducatis? Are they less of a Ducati?
You people make me laugh. Go make fun of Harley's because they have stayed the same for 100 years -- but make the beast with two backs with the heads of your Ducati and by god it is no longer a Ducati -- it is just a heap of jap bullshit.
Quote from: sbrguy on October 07, 2008, 11:01:37 AM
but is a ducati still a ducati if it no longer has the desmodromic system in it?
take out the desmodromic system, put in hydraulic or spring actuated valve train and its basicaly now no different than other italian makers like mvagusta, aprilia, or japanese brands like honda, kawa, suzuki.
the dry or wet clutch can go or stay though the dry is more the "ducati" thing, but take out the desmo and it no longer has any differnce than any other brand.
I will still be a Ducati because it is made by Ducati.
Personally I associate the engine sound and styling with Ducati, more than the valve actuation or clutch. Desmodromic is neat and unique, as is the dry clutch, but on bikes that I put a lot of miles on (like my Multi) I could do without either if it got me more reliability and longer (and cheaper) maintenance intervals.
I would be disappointed if they got rid of the desmo in the SBKs though...mainly from a race heritage standpoint. I wouldn't write off Ducati for it though if they replaced it with something better.
The aesthetic style of the bike is more what I'm concerened about though. Even though many say the 1098/848 looks Japanese...an examination side by side shows that they really aren't very similar. The Duc is thinner, sleaker, and less cluttered...just a better aesthetic design overall, even if there are Japanese hints in it. To me that is what makes a Ducati.
Quote from: wbeck257 on October 07, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
What about Bevel drive ducatis? Are they less of a Ducati?
You people make me laugh. Go make fun of Harley's because they have stayed the same for 100 years -- but make the beast with two backs with the heads of your Ducati and by god it is no longer a Ducati -- it is just a heap of jap bullshit.
Bevels were not unique to Ducati, but desmo is.
I agree 100%, that a non-desmo ducati is basically an Aprilla or Benelli.
mitt
Quote from: CDawg on October 07, 2008, 06:09:20 AM
I don't understand what the big brains at Ducati is thinking. :-\
The top of the line Monster has always been a stripped down Superbike. I don't understand the desire to rebrand a "new" line. If I put on my cynical hat, the press release sounds like Ducati is ceding the naked bike category to the MV and Aprillas and instead trying to "create" a new category which is "naked superbike"...I mean come on, who care how the powerplant is cooled.
There's got to be more to this story behind Ducati's rationale that's not leaked yet...
[bang]
The top of the monster line for 7 years or so (93 to 2001 I thing was the S4?) was an air cooled engine, not the water cooled one borrowed from their super bikes. One could look at this as returning the monster line to it's roots.
I just hope they do an 848 version of this "fighter".
Quote from: wbeck257 on October 07, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
What about Bevel drive ducatis? Are they less of a Ducati?
You people make me laugh. Go make fun of Harley's because they have stayed the same for 100 years -- but make the beast with two backs with the heads of your Ducati and by god it is no longer a Ducati -- it is just a heap of jap bullshit.
amen, brother.
the way i look at it, it ceases to be a 'ducati' when the company changes names and is built by a whole new company.
the frame materials and geometry, the valve system, the v-configuration means jack squat.
unless you actually believe that an inanimate object has a 'soul', then you just need meds and some time on the couch.
Quote from: wbeck257 on October 07, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
What about Bevel drive ducatis? Are they less of a Ducati?
You people make me laugh. Go make fun of Harley's because they have stayed the same for 100 years -- but make the beast with two backs with the heads of your Ducati and by god it is no longer a Ducati -- it is just a heap of jap bullshit.
i've never made fun of a harley bc they have basically in a sense still using the same engine with the cam movement, i personally like that they have changed the valve head covers over time to have the pan/flat/shovel/knuckle/block head styles but have kept the same basic engine but slowly updated it.
yes you are correct bevel drives are the older ducati's and yes they are ducatis still, but my argument is that the desmo system in the current ducatis are "archaic" and a very old style of doing things.
when ducati on their own website right now is touting the advantages of the older style desmo system as what makes their bikes good compared to other brands, then remember that is what the current generation of new people to their brand are being told by the company.
so what i'm saying is that if the company then does a 180 and does away with their main advantage, then what makes it different?
if its just aesthetics then so be it, then it should should be saying "get our stuff bc ours is the best looking"
i personally like the sound of the ducati motor, take that away and put in a honda engine would i still buy it? possibly bc i do liek the aesthetics overall of the monster, but i can't say with 100% certainty i would still buy a ducati if it didn't have the unique motor.
Next thing to go will be the 90 deg. orientation maybe Ducati will make a V-twin!! [evil]
I don't know how anyone can argue that duc aesthetics are still unique anymore when its clear they are taking design elements from the companies mentioned above like MV, Benelli and even some jap characteristics. If I wanted brutale styling I would have bought one. It seems like theyre just going with what is popular instead of being the leader like when they came out with the original monster. On that note it can be argued that it was the first real naked bike that sold in big numbers, its the icon of a genre.
When the new monster rumors came around I was really hoping they would come out with something unique, instead we got a Monster/Brutale love child...at least thats how I see it. As far as this hyperfighter is concerned it looks like a repackaging of a Benelli TNT.
Its all pointless now anyway because were talking about a PHOTOSHOP!!
agreed we all just guess in and shooting the sh&t right now. just wait till the actual stuff comes out.. the threads won't stop ending then.. [laugh]
If Ducati abandoned Desmodromics for something like pneumatic valves or something else I might be ok with it. But I would be disappointed for Ducati to switch to a conventional set-up which they have spent decades decrying as being a "compromise" that doesn't offer the benefits that Desmo does. It's not so much the lack of Desmo, it's the caving in to the crowd. The adoption of a technology to which they have claimed superiority. A Ducati without Desmo would be like a front wheel drive BMW.
The thing is the desmo system doesn't have any benefit for our relatively low revving 2V street bikes. Now if they removed it from their GP bikes I would be shocked and seriously disappointed as from most accounts it is allowing the GP bike to rev higher than any other GP bike. Our 2V street bike...not so much...it's just a tradition thing, like the dry clutch.
I have no idea if desmo has any real benefit in the 4V SBK motors...I suspect not though, but I'd be disappointed if they got rid of it in the SBKs since that's a direct connection to the racing program.
the fighter is real and ugly imo, from several sources I have heard that it is a 1098 less the body work and throw on some risers and dirbike bars ie; same crap is the tuono, they are going to detune for more torque (this is not a bad thing) the bike is fugly
look at the pic in the lower left corner, its real
(http://static.blogo.it/desmoblog/416_inmoto_copertina_01.jpg)
Quote from: mitt on October 07, 2008, 11:18:45 AM
Bevels were not unique to Ducati, but desmo is.
mitt
Mercedes used desmo before Ducati adopted it...
you know the more i look at this.. i think they were trying to appease the S4R owners and their complaints about the new 696-style.
more frame, SSS watercooled, more power, traditional exhausts under the bike. now remove that bikini fairing (a la 696) and you have an updated S4R. but guess what... it has an aluminum subframe.
Quote from: Triple J on October 07, 2008, 03:32:49 PM
The thing is the desmo system doesn't have any benefit for our relatively low revving 2V street bikes. Now if they removed it from their GP bikes I would be shocked and seriously disappointed as from most accounts it is allowing the GP bike to rev higher than any other GP bike. Our 2V street bike...not so much...it's just a tradition thing, like the dry clutch.
I have no idea if desmo has any real benefit in the 4V SBK motors...I suspect not though, but I'd be disappointed if they got rid of it in the SBKs since that's a direct connection to the racing program.
Actually, it's been said that Desmo allows the power band to be sculpted throughout the rev range. Any engine can make power by revving high, but a Desmo engine doesn't have to overcome the inertia of high strength valve springs at the lower end of the power band to make the power at the higher end. In short, less parasitic power loss. Same with the dry clutch.
So the advantage isn't just at the high end, it's the ability to tune the lower end while still allowing for high end power.
Quote from: superjohn on October 07, 2008, 06:44:46 PM
Actually, it's been said that Desmo allows the power band to be sculpted throughout the rev range. Any engine can make power by revving high, but a Desmo engine doesn't have to overcome the inertia of high strength valve springs at the lower end of the power band to make the power at the higher end. In short, less parasitic power loss. Same with the dry clutch.
So the advantage isn't just at the high end, it's the ability to tune the lower end while still allowing for high end power.
True, plus it has higher tolerences as a Desmodromic. Plus, there is no valve spring slap at high rpm.
I personally love the dry clutch sound and ease of maintenance. I also appreciate the fact that almost all of the high end Racing Superbikes has dry clutches. Look at the RC212V, GSVR, etc.
Quote from: CDawg on October 07, 2008, 06:09:20 AM
I don't understand what the big brains at Ducati is thinking. :-\
The top of the line Monster has always been a stripped down Superbike. I don't understand the desire to rebrand a "new" line. If I put on my cynical hat, the press release sounds like Ducati is ceding the naked bike category to the MV and Aprillas and instead trying to "create" a new category which is "naked superbike"...I mean come on, who care how the powerplant is cooled.
There's got to be more to this story behind Ducati's rationale that's not leaked yet...
[bang]
That is a GIANT NEGATIVE. The Monster has NEVER been a stripped down Superbike. IF you wanted a TRUE "stripped down superbike," you should have purchased an S3 or Tuono. The 4V Monster has always had a detuned superbike engine, with a frame based off the 851/888, and then the ST series. She has been a bike based on style, performance, malleability, and versatility, not merely superbike focus.
This new Fighter 'might' be the first Monsteresque bike with a true detachable subframe. I just hope they do not get away from Desmodromics or the dry clutch, even though the "rumor" is that the L Twin might be moved a little in the frame, so the horizontal cylinder is not so horizontal, but a little more vertical for packaging reasons.
As it has been said before, this is not FACT. But that doesn't mean we cannot discuss it and our opinions. [beer]
I'm surprised that picture on the magazine looks so much different than the photoshop job that was floating around a few weeks or months back. That one had a much more agressive, stylized "MV Agusta Brutale"-like style. However, this newer one just looks like a 1098 with a S4R exhaust and wheel.
Not to say that either of them would be undesirable, they're just both radically different takes on the new "Ducati Fighter" or "Hyperfighter" as I think the other one was called.
Personally, I think this newer picture on that magazine is a less likely style for them to actually pull off. The reason I think that is that the shotgun side exhausts have sort of an old-school classic look to them, whereas a naked superbike "Fighter" makes me think of an aggressive, raw style. That also seems to be where a lot of the naked "fighter" market has gone.
Just my $0.02 on it, it is always fun to speculate about new models before they come out :)
Quote from: superjohn on October 07, 2008, 06:44:46 PM
Actually, it's been said that Desmo allows the power band to be sculpted throughout the rev range. Any engine can make power by revving high, but a Desmo engine doesn't have to overcome the inertia of high strength valve springs at the lower end of the power band to make the power at the higher end. In short, less parasitic power loss. Same with the dry clutch.
So the advantage isn't just at the high end, it's the ability to tune the lower end while still allowing for high end power.
Maybe...but the parasitic power loss due to valve springs is minor I would guess. If it is such a great system everyone would use it, or a version of it. I don't know enough about engine design to argue details...but anyone can make a 2V air cooled motor which makes the same HP/Torque as my MTS1000...while using valve springs.
Quote from: Beyote on October 07, 2008, 07:18:59 PM
Plus, there is no valve spring slap at high rpm.
A non-benefit on our low revving 2V engines. A nice bonus for the MotoGP bike though, like I said earlier.
Quote from: sbrguy on October 07, 2008, 11:01:37 AM
but is a ducati still a ducati if it no longer has the desmodromic system in it?
take out the desmodromic system, put in hydraulic or spring actuated valve train and its basicaly now no different than other italian makers like mvagusta, aprilia, or japanese brands like honda, kawa, suzuki.
the dry or wet clutch can go or stay though the dry is more the "ducati" thing, but take out the desmo and it no longer has any differnce than any other brand.
Ducati is Ducati. They make the most powerful V-Twin superbikes on the market. I personally don't care how they make that power, desmo or not. Desmo is different but it's actually more ancient than valve springs in some ways. Technology proved long ago that you can make enormous power with spring actuated valves. I would love it if I didn't have to change belts, adjust valves all the time, and not have that worry in the back of my mind that a belt could break and ruin my engine. I know, a bit overboard, but you get my point.
I think that photo is definately a fake, there is now way they would create something that looks like an S4R after they have already launched the M696/1100.
Why would they be giving it a new name, calling it a Fighter and then create something that exactly like an older Monster.
The low maintenance is a hoax.
To keep it under warranty you have to bring it in after 12 month regardless of the mileage.
I did manage to put 8000 on it this summer...but thats far from 12000, which is the new interval.
Anyway it has to get its big service after the winter storage...
So...
i'd definately miss my desmo engine if it was gone....but i'm def gettin the 1198 when before residency
One must look at Ducati as a business. Yes it's a company, who happens to make V-Twin bikes. But their goal is to make money. If you look at the numbers sold throughout the lineage of Monsters I can guess that most of them were Air Cooled 2V's. I'd say the S4R and S4RS comprised much less sales than that of the M620/695, M750/800, M900/1000, S2R 800, S2R 1000's. So I understand why Ducati now wants to offer the Monster range with a middleweight (aka for newbs/girls) and a liter-sized variant. Now that said the Monster has evolved from a type of bike to a "style", an "image". The Monster has a cult like following (hence this site), and drones of old Monster owners will buy new versions of upcoming Monsters 2009-on and you can bet plenty of new riders will too. Now this "Fighter" segment seems to fit in the place of the S4RS. Why not create a new line to which you can market. Because now you can essentially make a 848 based "Fighter" as someone even wished for already in this thread. And the "Fighter" with the 1098 hasn't even been made. This is genius marketing on behalf of Ducati. Keep the Monster line and keep it true to the roots of 2V's, and create another bike to a new comsumer. The KTM 690 Duke looks damn aggressive and is sick, the Super Duke looks the shits too, as wil the new KTM Venom. The Brutale is sex on wheels. The Street Triple is selling like hot-cakes. Our Monsters (anything not the 696 doesn't look that aggresive nor modern). The SuperMoto and Enduro segment has blown up. As has the Street Fighter market. This is a good move for Ducati. As they now can have a street oriented bike in the Monster, a SM bike with the HyperMotard (which they can make a 848 based one of those things too and sell bikes), and a performance first naked with the "Figher" or "HyperFighter". Remember it needs to make dollars not sense. And about Valves and all that. If they can make parts cheaper, easier to maintain, and better performing bikes than like technology takes it's course. Granted some people who have a Monster S4R or S4RS will be most upset. Because they took that bike out of the line-up. So if you want a naked that has the tops in performance you won't own a "Monster" you won't be a "Monster" rider you'll be a "Fighter" rider see it is because the term Monster has evolved into more than a bike. It's sheer marketing gold this Fighter. Now that all said I think that pic on that cover is fake, and this Fighter better look the tits.
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I'm so torn about this. To me, Ducatis are twins with dry clutches and desmo valve actuation (I know that all are not like that. I'm taking about the image in my head). They sound like Ducatis. They look like Ducatis. I'm not sure how many of those factors you can take away until it ceases to be a Ducati. I understand that technology marches on and that just hanging on tradition doesn't always make sense. I mean, if they can produce a better, cheaper, more powerful engine with spring actuated valves, that's not a bad idea. But at what cost? What if it doesn't sound or feel or look like a Duc?!? Then it's just a Japanese clone. I'm just glad I've got a dry clutch desmo L-twin and don't have to compromise.
All I know for certain is that they need to get rid of the name "Fighter." That's just f'n stupid. Even if they want to differentiate it from the Monster line, get a new name.
This bike looks about like I had expected..
I think this fighter is somewhat of a replacement for the Super Sport. And what was the super sport? IMHO it was a thing called a Sport Bike. Remember those? They were cool and fun bikes that you rode around on the street. They looked like a million bucks even if they cost less than 10 grand. But sales slowed because everyone had to go out and buy a "race bike." I guess it just wasn't good enough to have a bike that made around 100hp. You gotta have the latest and greatest. Now that "Race Bikes" make much more than 100 HP these days, a good sensible Hooligan/sportbike should make power that compares, but maybe isn't tuned for the track. you know a stripped down race bike...
The Interceptor is an example of a Sport Bike, Back in the 80's the Interceptor was the cats pajamas! Then it got replaced by the CBR as the thing to have, so the interceptor became a light Sport touring bike.
The Honda 919 is another example. I think it has a detuned 929 engine in it, no fairings, goes fast, looks kind of cool.
My old Ducati Knock off, the Ferrari Red, 998 Badged "Super Hawk" was a Sport Bike. With Middle shelf, adjustable Showa suspension, and a really sweet 4 Valve V Twin engine, a guy could really wear out some tires on that thing, and have fun doing it! Yea it had the normal spring actuated valves run by a timing chain, but something deep inside the engine made some really cool whirring noises. Now I don't know about you, but I think that real cool noises on a motorcycle are very important.
Ducati can continue to make Motocycles that make cool and unique noises on future bikes, even if they change to timing chains, Pnumatic valves, spring valves, Flux capacitors or whatever. If you like Desmo engines, hang on to what you have. Then you can be one of those Guys that has an old Desmo Ducati, and maybe even a dry clutch. I'm not planning on selling mine...
i hope this ISNT the replacement for the SS. as an S4R replacements it makes sense. but the SS needs to be resurrected with good price for a 696 engined bike. Then an 1100. use the monster frames even. just give us the sexy body work back on a sub-10k bike.
"I want to leave you with a particular thought to consider while I’m away.
This week, as usual, the new issue of InMoto (an Italian bike magazine) arrived on my desk, and I noticed that on the cover they feature their own concept of a new Ducati bike. We enjoyed reading about this and had a good discussion about it. We have our opinions about it, and I would like to hear yours.
What do you think? Is it the kind of bike that could fit the “Ducati style?†Do you think I should send it on to our designers for “insipiration?â€
Let me have your opinion and when I get back we can talk about it.
Have a good summer!
Gabriele"
Found this on the blog.ducati.com. So no need to worry
As I see everyday in the Army...
You get a group...give them options...they whine like mules...then get the job done.
Ducati owners are no different.
We have a group...we are given new options in the direction of our bikes...we whine like mules...then someone rides one...then buys one...and we all run out and put the next available one on order.
I just want to know when ya'll are going to be selling off your "old" bikes cheap so that you can justify picking up the new one. I'm there for you all.
meh....this doesn't do it for me. give me an S2R or S4R (or a dss monster) any day over these new monster/fighter models. it's a timeless design that, to me, i could never get tired of.
I guess I don't understand the fighter.
Why buy a naked, detuned 1098 when I can buy a used upgraded one for cheaper that is arguably better looking?
Quote from: ♣ McKraut ♣ on October 09, 2008, 06:11:43 AM
meh....this doesn't do it for me. give me an S2R or S4R (or a sss monster) any day over these new monster/fighter models. it's a timeless design that, to me, i could never get tired of.
+1.
Give me my classic, round headlight, SSS, and a dry clutch. I will be happy. In my eyes, they aren't dated. In my eyes, the 'classic' Monster is a pivot point, a bueatiful age and segment in Ducati's history. And I have a classic that likes to snack on repli-racers.
(except when I wreck,.. LOL)
Beyote,
YES!
That's exactly why I've dumped a ludicrous amount of money into my '97 Monster to restore her.
Cheers.
I think the point... of the Fighter is to make "Ducati Sport bike" with less aggressive ergo more accessible power for the street... I just wish it was better looking then a Brutale or "comparable " handling power of Tuono... Ive had S4Rs and Tuono, Ridden Brutale 750-910R... there something special about naked ... also more fun to ride in the canyons ... I currently have a Hyper love it... for that reason... I was seriously looking at Bimota before the hyper came out ... because I like the molded tank/ergo custom great suspension great torque and power range is accessible... I just hope the Fighter doesn't loose all that beautiful torque and have more accessibility for the track and occasional commute/jaunt... miss going distance with my monster... damn gas tank too small on the hyper... wouldn't hurt to be a little more aerodynamic ...
I just hope that the bike doesn't look anything like the 696. Everytime I see it in person, it gets uglier and uglier.
In all honesty, I think the naked SBK thing is just silly. Engines with too much power, suspensions and brakes designed for riding on the track, then go and make the bike as aero dynamic as a brick. Just because other companies are doing it doesn't mean Ducati needs to in order to stay compeditive. I still dont really like the "classic" S4 or S4rs. I think the radiators, hoses and water pump are ugly and take away from the bike. IMO they arent "classic" monsters either. This is the one thing I think the Fighter has going for it - it is not pretending to be a monster.
Quote from: big bear on October 07, 2008, 05:25:14 AM
I wonder if there was the same hoo haaa when they moved away from bevel drives [bang]
Not really, plenty of ppl knew the bevels were going and the Pantah had been well proven in racing by the time they were in the showrooms.
Quote from: vampireduc on October 08, 2008, 07:34:00 PM
As I see everyday in the Army...
You get a group...give them options...they whine like mules...then get the job done.
Ducati owners are no different.
We have a group...we are given new options in the direction of our bikes...we whine like mules...then someone rides one...then buys one...and we all run out and put the next available one on order.
I just want to know when ya'll are going to be selling off your "old" bikes cheap so that you can justify picking up the new one. I'm there for you all.
rofl..
ducati owners = bunch of jackasses. [laugh]
Quote from: Vindingo on October 13, 2008, 12:20:35 AM
I just hope that the bike doesn't look anything like the 696. Everytime I see it in person, it gets uglier and uglier.
In all honesty, I think the naked SBK thing is just silly. Engines with too much power, suspensions and brakes designed for riding on the track, then go and make the bike as aero dynamic as a brick. Just because other companies are doing it doesn't mean Ducati needs to in order to stay compeditive. I still dont really like the "classic" S4 or S4rs. I think the radiators, hoses and water pump are ugly and take away from the bike. IMO they arent "classic" monsters either. This is the one thing I think the Fighter has going for it - it is not pretending to be a monster.
We don't even know what the streetfighter will look like, tho just on the strength of my dealer's description, I'm puttting a deposit down. It's taken ducati a long time to get on the same sheet as the brutale and tuono. A duc with 1098 (even if slightly less tuned) and a more upright seating posture is made for old guys like me who like the performance but don't like the position of the hypersports.
C'mon ducati bring it on, they're due here in April June range.
BTW> I love the looks of the 696 and a nice progression to the monster line (I've owned an m750 and m800 as well as 748 and 996 and an old 900SP, so I like em all)
Chris
The naked SBK concept is a popular one with Ducatisti. Check out these 2 bikes that entered the 2008 Ducati USA Superbike Concorso.
(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v295/18/47/632246498/n632246498_1156554_9757.jpg)
(http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v235/18/47/632246498/n632246498_843256_8901.jpg)
(http://superbikeconcorso.ducatiusa.com/img/onlinebikes2008/bike9/bike9_7.jpg)
I could care less what Ducati builds or how they build it. As for the new 696 style Monster, let them build it, I've got my old school vintage Ducati already. The Ducati bike designs to die hard fans are only a suggestion of what the final product should look like. Truth of that statement is in your own bike, just take a look and you'll agree. ;)
Quote from: chill on October 13, 2008, 10:03:19 PM
The naked SBK concept is a popular one with Ducatisti. Check out these 2 bikes that entered the 2008 Ducati USA Superbike Concorso.
(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v295/18/47/632246498/n632246498_1156554_9757.jpg)
916 type fairing on an SS, single front rotor, SSS, etc.
lot of work put into thsi bike, very nice.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on October 14, 2008, 06:03:20 AM
916 type fairing on an SS, single front rotor, SSS, etc.
lot of work put into thsi bike, very nice.
Look again, thats a SBK frame :D Any the perfect example of what to do when a desmoquattro motor eats it's rockers and cams for breakfast. I still can't believe ducati survived as a company after it's highest line of motors self destruct in 5-10K miles without expensive owner repair.
Quote from: TAftonomos on October 14, 2008, 12:27:47 PM
Look again, thats a SBK frame :D Any the perfect example of what to do when a desmoquattro motor eats it's rockers and cams for breakfast. I still can't believe ducati survived as a company after it's highest line of motors self destruct in 5-10K miles without expensive owner repair.
wow, so it is -- but that's definitely a desmodue engine. someone shoehorned a 900ss engine into that SBK frame, wow.
the main reason Ducati survived was Toseland and Fogarty kept winning races and people who love Italian stuff have accepted the QA issues.
Also, Ducati only sells 30-40k bikes per year, so they're a niche product anyhow -- i wonder how many 916s have never been ridden much at all, or are just sitting in some guy's office?
I don't understand the purpose of the one headlight on that 916 unless he was going for a whole "asymetrical" theme with that bike...
Quote from: NAKID on October 15, 2008, 08:36:30 AM
I don't understand the purpose of the one headlight on that 916 unless he was going for a whole "asymetrical" theme with that bike...
I don't know if it was their intention or not, but it looks like an endurance bike. Kind of cool, I think.
I'm looking forward to seeing pics of the real thing. I think the whole thing's pretty exciting. [popcorn]
There is now a Confederate Fighter (new model). Someone else beat them to the name.
I am also am very exicted about seeing the the new fighter but I am afraid to say I feel like I am really gravitating away from the Ducati Look.
With Bikes like the Norton Commando in the works of being made... A modern Cafe style Bike the Ducati's are being less attractive to me.
I still think the Sportsclassic 1000s looks killer though.
Quote from: ROBsS4R on October 19, 2008, 04:20:15 AM
I am also am very exicted about seeing the the new fighter but I am afraid to say I feel like I am really gravitating away from the Ducati Look.
With Bikes like the Norton Commando in the works of being made... A modern Cafe style Bike the Ducati's are being less attractive to me.
I still think the Sportsclassic 1000s looks killer though.
blasphemy! Roast him! [evil]
Quote from: ROBsS4R on October 19, 2008, 04:20:15 AM
I am also am very exicted about seeing the the new fighter but I am afraid to say I feel like I am really gravitating away from the Ducati Look.
With Bikes like the Norton Commando in the works of being made... A modern Cafe style Bike the Ducati's are being less attractive to me.
I still think the Sportsclassic 1000s looks killer though.
Don't hold your breath for the Norton to reach viable production, this is about the 5th time in the last 15-20 years that Norton has been back in business under new ownership, only worse story is the Indian name in the US.
Chris
Quote from: ROBsS4R on October 19, 2008, 04:20:15 AM
I am also am very exicted about seeing the the new fighter but I am afraid to say I feel like I am really gravitating away from the Ducati Look.
With Bikes like the Norton Commando in the works of being made... A modern Cafe style Bike the Ducati's are being less attractive to me.
I still think the Sportsclassic 1000s looks killer though.
I find myself gravitating to the style of the older Monsters, for sure. I just can't get excited about the looks of the 696, and I'm kinda worried the Fighter will have the same effect on me. I'm looking forward to seeing what they've come up with, though. Who knows, maybe it'll be killer. If not, no need to pester the wife to buy one. [cheeky]
Quote from: zvezdah1 on October 19, 2008, 12:32:51 PM
Don't hold your breath for the Norton to reach viable production, this is about the 5th time in the last 15-20 years that Norton has been back in business under new ownership, only worse story is the Indian name in the US.
Chris
(http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/11/11/image583089x.jpg)
I absolutely loved my '94 M900, and miss it since it left me this April. That said, I do not miss 'constant' timing belt changes and valve adjustments. Or the fact that it leaked more oil in the years I had it than any Harley I've ever owned. And it was a bit low on power compared to recent acquisitions. All were reasons for its departure.
I vowed to get another Ducati, but a more powerful unit meant a 4V and more maintenance cost. :P If Ducati makes the Fighter (yes, stupid name) with sprung valves and timing chains, there is a very good chance I'll buy one. They'll still sound awesome and perform as they should (especially geared down for use in town [evil] ). Better still have a dry clutch though.
Keep Desmo for the superbikes if it truly still offers an advantage on the track.
Didn't see this link when I scrolled through this thread.
http://theadrenalinefix.com/2008/08/06/ducati-hyperfighter/ (http://theadrenalinefix.com/2008/08/06/ducati-hyperfighter/)
(http://adrenalinefix.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/dhf.jpg)
Fugly is an understatement for that bike. [puke]
Quote from: jswledhed on October 20, 2008, 04:16:31 PM
Didn't see this link when I scrolled through this thread.
http://theadrenalinefix.com/2008/08/06/ducati-hyperfighter/ (http://theadrenalinefix.com/2008/08/06/ducati-hyperfighter/)
(http://adrenalinefix.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/dhf.jpg)
[puke] ;D
Quote from: jswledhed on October 20, 2008, 04:16:31 PM
Didn't see this link when I scrolled through this thread.
http://theadrenalinefix.com/2008/08/06/ducati-hyperfighter/ (http://theadrenalinefix.com/2008/08/06/ducati-hyperfighter/)
tweak it a bit and it would look awesome.
i like the frame, but it's a complete fiction, look at the "ball gap" between the tank and seat.. ouch!
I think Ducati should just stick to what works for them instead of totally trying to reinvent themselves. I don't know if I like this one yet. I do agree, that gap between the tank and seat looks lethal!
Quote from: goodolboy on October 21, 2008, 07:15:27 AM
I think Ducati should just stick to what works for them instead of totally trying to reinvent themselves. I don't know if I like this one yet. I do agree, that gap between the tank and seat looks lethal!
Well -- really the 696 is what worked for them.
Its selling better than anything they've ever sold.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on October 20, 2008, 07:52:34 PMtweak it a bit and it would look awesome.
i like the frame, but it's a complete fiction, look at the "ball gap" between the tank and seat.. ouch!
I wish people would stop saying this, we don't all ride naked you know. [laugh]
The "ball gap" doesn't exist. That was just an artist's rendering and it's an OLDER rendering at that.
Quote from: NAKID on October 07, 2008, 06:27:04 PM
Mercedes used desmo before Ducati adopted it...
I understand that, and I am sure that someone else invented it before Benz, but no-one else is currently using it.
mitt
(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v295/18/47/632246498/n632246498_1156554_9757.jpg)
"Turanga"
Quote from: ROBsS4R on October 20, 2008, 04:36:40 PM
[puke] ;D
This is the MCN artist rendering from 07 and from what I've been told by someone that was at the dealers meeting doesn't reallly look like the real thing.
Chris
Quote from: EvilSteve on October 21, 2008, 07:39:32 AM
I wish people would stop saying this, we don't all ride naked you know. [laugh]
Speak for yourself, mister! [laugh]
It's due on Nov. 3. And it's not called the "Fighter". Well, not exactly. ;)
You just can't stop playing with us can you Spidey. First the 1100 review now this inside knowledge about the fighter. >:(
Hyperfighter?
Quote from: Spidey on October 25, 2008, 08:24:39 AM
It's due on Nov. 3. And it's not called the "Fighter". Well, not exactly. ;)
On the dealer order sheet at the dealer meeting it was called the streetfighter
comes in two versions, streetfighter ($14,995 msrp) and streetfighter s (($18,995 msrp) assuming the s comes with ohlins and a bit of carbon fibre. Colors will be pearl white, black and red. Also expected delivery date for US is between April_June.
Debuts during the EICMA show in Milan sometime during the week of nov. 3.
I'm hoping they have one on display at the cycle world shows this year.
Chris
^^ can't wait to see the real photos!!
Quote from: mitt on October 21, 2008, 09:02:05 AM
I understand that, and I am sure that someone else invented it before Benz, but no-one else is currently using it.
mitt
yup, springs were not that great 100 years ago
QuoteFully controlled valve movement was thought of in the earliest days of engine development, but devising a system that worked reliably and was not overly complex took a long time. Desmodromic valve systems are first mentioned in patents in 1896 by Gustav Mees, and in 1907 the Aries is described as having a V4 engine with "desmodromique" valve actuation, but details are scarce. The 1914 Grand Prix Delage used a desmodromic valve system (quite unlike the present day Ducati system). [3]
Azzariti, a short lived Italian manufacturer from 1933 to 1934, produced 173 cc and 348 cc twin cylinder engines, some of which had desmodromic valve gear, with the valve being closed by a separate camshaft.[4]
The Mercedes-Benz W196 Formula One racing car of 1954-55, and the Mercedes-Benz 300SLR sports racing car of 1955 all had desmodromic valve actuation.
In 1956 Fabio Taglioni, a Ducati engineer, developed a desmodromic valve system for the Ducati 125 Grand Prix, creating the Ducati 125 Desmo.
He was quoted to say…
The specific purpose of the desmodromic system is to force the valves to comply with the timing diagram as consistently as possible. In this way, any lost energy is negligible, the performance curves are more uniform and dependability is better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmodromic_valve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmodromic_valve)
Quote from: zvezdah1 on October 25, 2008, 05:54:16 PM
On the dealer order sheet at the dealer meeting it was called the streetfighter
comes in two versions, streetfighter ($14,995 msrp) and streetfighter s (($18,995 msrp) assuming the s comes with ohlins and a bit of carbon fibre. Colors will be pearl white, black and red. Also expected delivery date for US is between April_June.
Debuts during the EICMA show in Milan sometime during the week of nov. 3.
I'm hoping they have one on display at the cycle world shows this year.
Chris
Now without giving away too much info on it do you give it a thumbs up or down in the looks department. in your personal opinion?
Quote from: flanman on October 26, 2008, 04:37:36 AM
Now without giving away too much info on it do you give it a thumbs up or down in the looks department. in your personal opinion?
Flanman, I promise you had I been there I'd definately tell you my opinion. SOmeone used a cameraphone at the meeting showing the pricing order sheet for 09 bikes, which was posted (briefly before disappearing) on another forum. My dealer whom I trust says it's an incredible looking bike and on that strength I'm putting a deposit on it. I've got faith that ducati will get this right!
Chris
just saw this today on ducati.com:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3269/2982120304_32414e63b7_o.jpg)
kind of a cool intro
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/216334/images/1098-Naked.jpg)
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/October/27-31/oct2808-ducati-1098-streetfighter-video/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/October/27-31/oct2808-ducati-1098-streetfighter-video/)
me like! [bacon] [drink]
Quote from: hayden on October 28, 2008, 11:21:48 AM
me like! [bacon] [drink]
I'll pass - looks like a bad 996 naked conversion IMO.
mitt
God I hope that's not it :(
who hit the 1098 in the face with an iron?
new for 2009 the Ducati Pug.
Huge letdown if thats it lol
Quote from: hayden on October 28, 2008, 11:21:48 AM
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/216334/images/1098-Naked.jpg)
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/October/27-31/oct2808-ducati-1098-streetfighter-video/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/October/27-31/oct2808-ducati-1098-streetfighter-video/)
me like! [bacon] [drink]
Nope, I'm told it doesn't look anything like that, that's just a 1098 fairings off and shopped
Chris
Yea, that thing is a design nightmare, lazy photoshop job, no way Ducati would put that thing out!
Plus it doesnt even look like a "streetfighter" it just looks like a 1098 with no fairing.
I can not wait till Nov 3rd!!!! ;D
OK, it looks like I can now admit i have seen it in person ! and not one photo shown on the Internet so far is correct. This bike is a complete new model and not a rework of a current model. Stay tuned boys and girls !
Quote from: Dave R on October 28, 2008, 01:32:12 PM
OK, it looks like I can now admit i have seen it in person ! and not one photo shown on the Internet so far is correct. This bike is a complete new model and not a rework of a current model. Stay tuned boys and girls !
Someone, go strong-arm Dave for the real pics! ;D
If he doesn't have pics, make him draw it from memory!
mitt
Quote from: mitt on October 28, 2008, 01:41:16 PM
Someone, go strong-arm Dave for the real pics! ;D
If he doesn't have pics, make him draw it from memory!
mitt
+1, After that video and Daves comments, I cannot wait!! grab him!
Dave , based on what you have seen, do you think it's going to be a huge run away hit? Or kind of a "well its cool but not world shattering" ???
Man, we are really craving info on this thing :) don't want you to break any NDA's though!
Home Run [bow_down]
Just wait and see...
I wonder what the price point will be on it...
Quote from: wbeck257 on October 28, 2008, 03:55:09 PM
Just wait and see...
I wonder what the price point will be on it...
I believe that is posted further up the thread.
$14,995 MSRP base model, $18,995 S model, available in red, black, pearl. bikes should be here for sale between april-june.
Chris
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/October/27-31/oct2808-ducati-1098-streetfighter-video/?R=EPI-103857 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/October/27-31/oct2808-ducati-1098-streetfighter-video/?R=EPI-103857)
http://www.ducati.com/cover/main_en.html (http://www.ducati.com/cover/main_en.html)
what the crap kind of video was that? was there even a motorcycle in all those shapes? ???
Quote from: ptooey on October 28, 2008, 06:29:04 PM
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/October/27-31/oct2808-ducati-1098-streetfighter-video/?R=EPI-103857 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/October/27-31/oct2808-ducati-1098-streetfighter-video/?R=EPI-103857)
http://www.ducati.com/cover/main_en.html (http://www.ducati.com/cover/main_en.html)
I merged your thread into this one.
mitt
I hope it looks better than the pic in that article.
Now that was a Lame Teaser Video :-\
I sure hope it looks better than that photochop ???
OK after much sleeping and more [bacon], i reckon it looks fugly but however i do think that it is a potential heavy modifiable bike! give it some punch and i guess it willl be a good towning and tracking [moto].
It's been said numerous times in this thread by someone who has SEEN the bike that those pictures are completely unlike what the bike actually looks like.
OK, those of you who have seen it, does the second one (the black one) look anything like what you saw?
We know you are sworn not to tell, so a simple ;D will sufice
http://www.motoplanete.com/newsmp/articles/2065/1/Ducati-STREETFIGHTER-2009--Le-compte-a-rebours-est-lance/Page1.html (http://www.motoplanete.com/newsmp/articles/2065/1/Ducati-STREETFIGHTER-2009--Le-compte-a-rebours-est-lance/Page1.html)
Quote from: matt69h on October 29, 2008, 11:07:50 AM
OK, those of you who have seen it, does the second one (the black one) look anything like what you saw?
We know you are sworn not to tell, so a simple ;D will sufice
http://www.motoplanete.com/newsmp/articles/2065/1/Ducati-STREETFIGHTER-2009--Le-compte-a-rebours-est-lance/Page1.html (http://www.motoplanete.com/newsmp/articles/2065/1/Ducati-STREETFIGHTER-2009--Le-compte-a-rebours-est-lance/Page1.html)
I like this one:
(http://www.motoplanete.com/newsmpcontent_images/1/octobre_2008/ducati-streetfighter-2.jpg)
Still photoshopped though. The French are still in the dark just as we are on what it will really look like.
I sent both pics out there on the streetfighter to my dealer who was at the meeting and saw the mockup, he says it looks nothing like either, and he also says it's pretty unconventional and innovative.
Dunno, I'm convinced enough to put a deposit on one as I've been wanting another duc for a while and this is just up my alley
Chris
I guess the moral is we can speculate all we want but no one is getting close. Somehow I have to find the patience to wait until Monday. [bang]
Quote from: zvezdah1 on October 28, 2008, 04:29:57 PM
$14,995 MSRP base model, $18,995 S model, available in red, black, pearl. bikes should be here for sale between april-june.
Chris
14,995 BASE????? how can that be so close to the M1100 and M1100S. they need to lower the M1100.
Quote from: Raux on October 30, 2008, 07:07:07 AM
14,995 BASE????? how can that be so close to the M1100 and M1100S. they need to lower the M1100.
Current price on the 08 S4RS is $15495.
Current price on 08 S2R1K is $11495. - 09 M1100 is $11995.
I'm really interested to see howthis bike goes over, and here's why:
It's filling a niche (call it true "streetfighter") that doesn't really exist at the moment. There are plenty of full-fairing sportbikes, and there are a smaller number of naked "hooligan" (more upright ergos) sports, including Monsters, but there aren't any models that I can think of at the moment that are naked with true sportbike ergos. There was the Triumph Speed Four, but that didn't sell very well and is gone now. If you want this kind of bike, you either have to buy a sportbike and strip it or buy a naked hooligan and mod it - or go the traditional way of buying something wrecked off ebay and never replacing the fairings cause you're too cheap. The question is: is there enough of a market for this? If the Duc Fighter sells well, I bet the other makers will start making streetfighters pretty soon.
The streetfighter category has been around since the first Monster and the Triumph whatever. Basically if Ducati cares about their market share with the S4Rs they needed to have a bike that competes with all the other current streetfighter bikes and the upcoming V4 Tuono, KTM Venom etc. And they can't compete using the chassis in the new Monster as the 1098 motor will not fit in it. That's the only reason why they're compelled to create a new model. The bike will undoubtedly have more power than the S4Rs, and perhaps it will handle better with an updated frame, but I doubt the ergos will be anymore aggresive than the S4Rs.
so how will insurance classify this bike? Will it cost the same amount to insure as the 1098?
Quote from: ghosthound on October 30, 2008, 11:32:36 AM
so how will insurance classify this bike? Will it cost the same amount to insure as the 1098?
Totally depends on your insurance company and where you live. They all classify bikes differently, sometimes even based on county.
good point... i HOPE they dont classify it as a sportbike but im not holding my breath... seems like just adding the word sportbike adds on 1k per year for insurance for me. :-\
Yes, I know it's a derby, but I do it anyway.
If this is anywhere close - I'm in [thumbsup]
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l394/stopintime/streetfighter.jpg)
I do like the look of that one.
I hope they make it for the vertically challenged like they do with the Monster's
(http://www.motoplanete.com/newsmpcontent_images/1/octobre_2008/ducati-streetfighter-2.jpg)
Quote from: Rotten Randy on October 30, 2008, 11:20:57 AM
And they can't compete using the chassis in the new Monster as the 1098 motor will not fit in it. That's the only reason why they're compelled to create a new model.
I think if they wanted to make a new S4R they could mod the frame... I don't believe the complete Monster Line from '07 shared the Exact same frame.(could be wrong).
Anyway I would hope their business model is smarter than.
1, 1098 motor wont fit in new frame
2, Make new bike
3, Profit!
Quote from: sally101 on October 31, 2008, 07:01:48 AM
Anyway I would hope their business model is smarter than.
1, 1098 motor wont fit in new frame
2, Make new bike
3, Profit!
It is smarter:
1. 1098 motor wont fit in new frame
2. Make new bike
3. Charge same price for M1100s than for old S4RS
4. Charge more for new bike than for S4RS.
5. More profit!
If the S model runs close to 19,000 it will be too high for me. Now if it comes with factory Termi's or something that's a different story. Otherwise I'm buying a used 07 or 08 S4RS to replace my totaled Tricolre. I loved that bike and am going to have to find something like it. Mine with the full system was pretty close to perfection!
Timing is also perfect for me.
Think i will spend another year with my 695 and then look for something bigger.
And yes, right now the Venom is my object of lust due to the screwed up design of the 1100.
My hopes for the Fighter are really high but I also would love to get a Tricolore one day.
Two more days and we know more....looking forward to it :)
Woo check these out from our cousins at Multistrada.net..
Is THIS the mystery bike?
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2857/proto2fc1.jpg)
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8265/proto1fp8.jpg)
looks like it IMO and I like what I see.
Just a few more days and we'll know for sure.
No front shot. Yet more of a tease! [bang] I like what we can see. :)
Me likey!
Chris
That will be my next bike. I don't know how soon. But if it looks like that and performs well it will find its way to my garage.
Bolognese Rat Bike
I'm convinced that's a real camo'ed prototype.
Seems to have parts shared with 696/1100, or parts that have signs of same design influence-- fat-ish trellis frame, mirrors, 'beer tray', diamond-coated forks, Marchesini wheels.
Only coupla minor tweaks, and it'd be close to manufacturer config.
here it is:
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/ducatistreetfighter/ducati-streetfighter-1.php (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/ducatistreetfighter/ducati-streetfighter-1.php)
Quote from: CETME on November 01, 2008, 03:09:25 PM
here it is:
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/ducatistreetfighter/ducati-streetfighter-1.php (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/ducatistreetfighter/ducati-streetfighter-1.php)
[bow_down] [bow_down]
Quote from: CETME on November 01, 2008, 03:09:25 PM
here it is:
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/ducatistreetfighter/ducati-streetfighter-1.php (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/ducatistreetfighter/ducati-streetfighter-1.php)
Definately on my wish list.
I put my deposit down last week for a pearl white one!!
Chris
HFS! SEXXXXXXY!
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/2009-StreetfighterS-004.jpg)
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/images/2009-StreetfighterS-001.jpg)
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/images/2009-StreetfighterS-003.jpg)
And someone has already bought the domain name:
Registrant:
MARTIN EUROSPORTS
ATTN: DUCATISTREETFIGHTER.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
Domain Name: DUCATISTREETFIGHTER.COM
Hmmm
I prefere this photochop better
(http://www.motoplanete.com/newsmpcontent_images/1/octobre_2008/ducati-streetfighter-2.jpg)
I will leave my final judgement till I see it in person.
Exhaust is lame. Pretty cool otherwise. The front is bad ass.
I'd like to see it in other colors...those pics are pretty dark overall.
Wheebase and Rake make the Streetfighter closer to a "Sport Power Cruiser" than a Monster.
Wheelbase:
Streetfighter = 58.1"
Monster 1100S = 57.1"
Monster S4RS = 56.7"
Moto Guzzi Griso 8v = 61.2"
Rake:
Streetfighter = 25.6 degrees
Monster 1100S = 24 degrees
Monster S4RS = 24 degrees
Moto Guzzi Griso 8v = 26.3 degrees
Quote from: Triple J on November 01, 2008, 03:57:00 PM
Exhaust is lame. Pretty cool otherwise.
But it looks to be large diameter headers, unless they're double walled
QuoteWheebase and Rake make the Streetfighter closer to a "Sport Power Cruiser" than a Monster.
Puuulease! I don't think 1 inch and 1.5 degrees makes it a cruiser [laugh] [laugh]
Vmax
wheelbase 66.9
Rake 31 degrees
(http://www.starmotorcycles.com/assets/content/images/600/09ST_VMAX_blk_S1_7eb1ff7c.jpg)
Quote from: flynbulldog on November 01, 2008, 06:41:47 PM
Puuulease! I don't think 1 inch and 1.5 degrees makes it a cruiser [laugh] [laugh]
Vmax
wheelbase 66.9
Rake 31 degrees
(http://www.starmotorcycles.com/assets/content/images/600/09ST_VMAX_blk_S1_7eb1ff7c.jpg)
Puuulease! I said "closer" to a "sport power cruiser" than a monster. I definitely did NOT say that it makes it a cruiser. [cheeky] [laugh] [laugh]
Well, it's not even "CLOSER" [beer]
[clap] Not too bad. Can't wait to see one in person. Might have to go rob a bank so I can get one. [evil]
That thing is beautiful!.... don't know if i like the pipes (but who keeps stock pipes anyway)... and i think it is a little beefy for me... but it looks perfect for good old dad... Think i might have to get him off his VMax and buy him an italian with my next check. (that way i can ride it)
Just spoke to dad... he is getting one for x-mas. (DAMN! there goes my hypermotard money!)
i love it
now, should i sell my '05 S4R or have both ?! ```
not decided on which color yet lol (^_^) `````````
i'm definitely getting it
it just looks angry. But really I have a Rs now....do I really need more power in a bike with a upright riding position and no body work?
Dammm, that bike looks dark and evil, I must have one. [clap]
Can anyone read the specs on that link page. Its to IZ_ for me.
Anyone know the seat Height?
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 01, 2008, 10:49:16 PM
Can anyone read the specs on that link page. Its to IZ_ for me.
Anyone know the seat Height?
It didn't list the seat hieght on that page. Power is listed as 155hp and 87.5 ft-lbs. Brembo 4 piston monoblocs up front with 330mm rotors. The "S" gets Ohlins but the exhaust is the same...
Top view looks sexy.
I hope it cups you like the 848 and 1098 does ;)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3159/2994038923_cc6709a7fa_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3291/2994879892_9fcf7e527b_o.jpg)
Yes, one for me - after a really good lottery ticket [bang]
But I would like it much more with the other photoshop'ed light/screen.
Price will probably be around $ 36,000 here, so it's not going to happen anytime soon.
Shouldn't be to hard to get it up tp 1198 ;D
You know I am sort of pissed they announced that bike.
I was going to go buy a used car this year early next year.
Now it looks like I am going to be riding another Winter season on my Bike waiting to afford this new beauty ;D
Beautiful [thumbsup] I love that tank.
Tank capacity 2.1 gallons????
Quote from: ducatizzzz on November 02, 2008, 04:35:15 AM
Tank capacity 2.1 gallons????
I imagine it'll have 4.5 gallons, I'd heard they reduced the size of the airbox so that would give a bit more space for gas. The spec sheet doesn't seem to list tank capacity, seat height etc.
Chris
Quote from: flynbulldog on November 01, 2008, 06:41:47 PM
Puuulease! I don't think 1 inch and 1.5 degrees makes it a cruiser [laugh] [laugh]
Vmax
wheelbase 66.9
Rake 31 degrees
Ugliness 100%
(http://www.starmotorcycles.com/assets/content/images/600/09ST_VMAX_blk_S1_7eb1ff7c.jpg)
Fixed
Quote from: zvezdah1 on November 02, 2008, 04:58:44 AM
I imagine it'll have 4.5 gallons, I'd heard they reduced the size of the airbox so that would give a bit more space for gas. The spec sheet doesn't seem to list tank capacity, seat height etc.
Chris
let's hope so, the tank capacity on my S2R is the feature i like the least. [bang]
i feel it is a failure of the design. if you can't put a decent sized tank on a street bike (min of 4 gal ) then you're doing something wrong. The s2r has a "3.6 gal" tank but something like 0.2 -0.3 gal is taken up by the pump/filter and unusable.
Interesting they are using a Marelli EFI system. The 696 uses a Siemens setup which pumps out another 5-10% HP due to better design.
Rear wheel is 6" wide.. wow..
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/images/2009-StreetfighterS-006.jpg)
Quote from: ducatizzzz on November 02, 2008, 06:15:00 AM
let's hope so, the tank capacity on my S2R is the feature i like the least. [bang]
i feel it is a failure of the design. if you can't put a decent sized tank on a street bike (min of 4 gal ) then you're doing something wrong. The s2r has a "3.6 gal" tank but something like 0.2 -0.3 gal is taken up by the pump/filter and unusable.
+1
Ducati's recent trend of small tanks is lame. With town riding, the fuel light on my 848 comes on around 90 miles...that's ridiculous. My MTS may be on the ugly side...but it holds 5.1 gallons. ;D
Quote from: ducatizzzz on November 02, 2008, 06:18:29 AM
Interesting they are using a Marelli EFI system. The 696 uses a Siemens setup which pumps out another 5-10% HP due to better design.
While it may produce a little more HP, I would hardly say it's a better design. I had the surging problem with my S2R1K until I did the DP cams and ECU and all I can say is the 696 I rode surged way more than my S2R.
I also think it may have been amplified but the crappy suspension on the 696 because anywhere around 4K at constant throttle and the thing was like a rocking horse. [puke]
Quote from: Monstermash on November 02, 2008, 08:05:17 AM
While it may produce a little more HP, I would hardly say it's a better design. I had the surging problem with my S2R1K until I did the DP cams and ECU and all I can say is the 696 I rode surged way more than my S2R.
I also think it may have been amplified but the crappy suspension on the 696 because anywhere around 4K at constant throttle and the thing was like a rocking horse. [puke]
i believe the surge issue was the exhaust lambda system's fault, not the EFI.. yes, i know they are attached but that is the commonality between the Siemens and the Marelli EFI
hi guys, if you go to the uk monster owners club form you will find that the new hyperfighter is there in all it's glory for you to drool over [coffee]
Quote from: geoffduc on November 02, 2008, 12:53:50 PM
hi guys, if you go to the uk monster owners club form you will find that the new hyperfighter is there in all it's glory for you to drool over [coffee]
If you go a couple pages back in THIS thread, you'll find the STREETFIGHTER as well. ;)
Siemens sucks ...I would not want any Siemens product if I can avoid it. Get a BMW if you want that.
And one other thing..
Don´t you have gas stations where you live ?
I am happy to swing by a Saloon every 100 miles and refresh myself and feed the horse.
The lighter the bike, the better the performance ;)
I just want it to look bad ass and feel great...
Quote from: ArguZ on November 02, 2008, 01:23:11 PM
Don´t you have gas stations where you live ?
I am happy to swing by a Saloon every 100 miles and refresh myself and feed the horse.
Sure we have gas stations...but there are also routes where 100 miles is stretching it. For instance, a popular one here is the run up Mt. St. Helens. 100 miles is pushing it to go up and back. Small gas tanks are fine on track bikes, or bikes geared more for the track...but it's dumb on street bikes.
Quote from: Monstermash on November 02, 2008, 08:05:17 AM
While it may produce a little more HP, I would hardly say it's a better design. I had the surging problem with my S2R1K until I did the DP cams and ECU and all I can say is the 696 I rode surged way more than my S2R.
I also think it may have been amplified but the crappy suspension on the 696 because anywhere around 4K at constant throttle and the thing was like a rocking horse. [puke]
Reversed coil wire issue. [roll]
Quote from: ArguZ on November 02, 2008, 01:23:11 PM
Siemens sucks ...I would not want any Siemens product if I can avoid it. Get a BMW if you want that.
And one other thing..
Don´t you have gas stations where you live ?
I am happy to swing by a Saloon every 100 miles and refresh myself and feed the horse.
The lighter the bike, the better the performance ;)
I just want it to look bad ass and feel great...
1. You think a german electronics company is worse than an italian electronics company? FYI, Marelli is owned by Weber, famous for making the DCNF carb on the 750 Sport (Nuovo) and the Paso 750. Both bikes were considered performance shit until you swapped the carb for Dellortos or Mikunis.
2. I have plenty of gas stations, I'd rather ride for 3-4 hours before having to stop rather than stop and running to a gas station every 2 hours. Some of use prefer riding on the twisties where there are not too many stations.
Is it just me or does anyone see a resemblance to the Z1000?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3175/2997265606_c73e0d26f7.jpg)
???
B King?
(http://www.swotti.com/tmp/swotti/cacheC3V6DWTPIGITA2LUZW==QXV0B21VDGLVBI1NB3RVCMJPA2VZ/imgSuzuki%20B-King2.jpg)
Roper's original?? ???
(http://www.uh.edu/engines/ropermotorcycle.jpg)
Quote from: ducatizzzz on November 02, 2008, 05:06:40 PM
Roper's original?? ???
(http://www.uh.edu/engines/ropermotorcycle.jpg)
[laugh] [laugh]
The only resemblance to oher bikes I see is a vague one with the Brutale
Quote from: Triple J on November 02, 2008, 05:47:00 PM
[laugh] [laugh]
The only resemblance to oher bikes I see is a vague one with the Brutale
yeah, but look at that rake angle.. swweeeet
Haha hows this for proof of how crap and useless MCN is.
This is " the naked Ducati 1098 that was revealed by MCN in August.
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/216334/images/1098-Naked.jpg)
And the real thing.
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/assets_c/2008/11/2009-StreetfighterS-001-thumb-415x310.jpg)
Man they suck so much. Their naked 1098 looked about the same as their 'new monster'.
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/194137/images/Monster-V2.jpg)
[puke] [puke] [puke] [puke] all round (except picture two [evil])
so wait... you people actually like that thing? way to cluttered for me. blech. I actually think the MCN picture of a stripped 1098 looks better ^^^
Quote from: Super T.I.B on November 02, 2008, 04:08:57 PM
Is it just me or does anyone see a resemblance to the Z1000?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3175/2997265606_c73e0d26f7.jpg)
???
Yup...and the Superduke. Actually, it looks even more like the Z750 with that instrument cluster slapped on like a brain tumor there. I can't believe I'm actually saying this. But, I don't feel drawn to this bike. I actually prefer the looks of the 696 and older Monsters. I guess it's because it does already remind me of my current bike.
Brain Tumor?
(http://s2.bikewalls.com/pictures/Kawasaki_Z750_2008_07_1024x768.jpg)
I hate the whole transformer/insect/anime type design. I can understand the japanese designing this kind of crap, but the Italians have always drawn classically smooth flowing lustful lines. :-[ :-\ [puke] [puke] [puke]
I think its BAD ASS! [thumbsup]
Way too busy for me it doesn't flow and looks identical to that kawasaki [puke]
2 hours and twenty minutes to go
I think it'll be a nice bike. [thumbsup] Lots of cool features, too, including Traction Control on the "S" model. ;D
From Ducati's EICMA press release today:
The real star of the event was the new Ducati Streetfighter, which is already among the top contenders for the title “best bike of the showâ€.
Stripped to the bare essentials, its combination of state-of-the-art race technology, exposed styling and cultured design takes Ducati’s big naked concept to the very top of the fighter food chain. With 155hp of awesome Ducati L-Twin muscle harnessed in a stripped-down, super-light bike that packs more punch for its weight than any other contender, this fighter is gloves-off and ready for action. Whether laying down the miles on open roads or ripping up the urban asphalt, no other bike in town will roll with the same stylish fire-power.
This ultimate naked will be ripping-up the asphalt from Spring 2009.
Ducati Streetfighter is also available in a “S†version equipped with Öhlins suspension, lightweight forged Marchesini wheels, carbon fibre parts and a street-going Ducati Traction Control.
bike looks a bit too angular in a way. as in everything is a crease.
looks like ducati is going more of the direction of lamborghini/cadillac and mb now with all the creases and flat surfaces.
going away from the looks of say ferrari/aston martin or even bmw that have slightly more organic or curving looks.
(http://i71.servimg.com/u/f71/11/01/50/36/pict0018.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=261&u=11015036)
It's up on the www.ducatiusa.com website. Enjoy!
Quote from: pjfa on November 03, 2008, 11:02:17 AM
(http://i71.servimg.com/u/f71/11/01/50/36/pict0018.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=261&u=11015036)
Dude, that bike looks like my avatar.
It's live
http://www.streetfighter.ducati.com/main_en.html (http://www.streetfighter.ducati.com/main_en.html)
mitt
Have the welds got worse, or did they rush this prototype into the studio too fast?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/2999649109_938d348efb_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/2999649083_fd2ceb3a0b_o.jpg)
mitt
167kg and 155 HP. Nice.
Quote from: mitt on November 03, 2008, 11:48:11 AM
Have the welds got worse, or did they rush this prototype into the studio too fast?
Not sure about the frame welds, but the swingarm weld is the same as on the 1098/848 and is a function of how the arm is built. Maybe the black coating just accentuates it more?
I like the looks of the Streetfighter. Yet I am still getting a KTM Super Duke the Spring of 2009. I think I will wait until 2010 to pick up a used Streetfighter if at all. By then who knows what will be out. I'm not gonna get killed on the price of that bike. Not with the Venom and the Aprilia RSV4 coming out. The RSV4 is sex on wheels, plus I gotta see this in person. But I think the bikes looks way better than what I was expecting.
cg
Was it the Suzuki B-King that started this streefighter inspired look followed by the KTM Duke and now this??????
Im not criticizing i love it but if you put all 3 side by each they all have the same milkman as a father. No ???
Quote from: causeofkaos on November 03, 2008, 01:29:00 PM
Was it the Suzuki B-King that started this streefighter inspired look followed by the KTM Duke and now this??????
Im not criticizing i love it but if you put all 3 side by each they all have the same milkman as a father. No ???
I think the KTM started it before the B-King. The Streetfighter has a little bit of Bimota in it as well to my humble eye.
Quote from: ltnuke on November 03, 2008, 05:57:53 AM
I think its BAD ASS! [thumbsup]
BADASS is one word, dude. [laugh]
I thought the welds were off in that photo too when i saw the opening video.
I am sure this can look good with a fair amount of stripping or mods but not a huge fan of current state. I like it better than the Monster 1100.
Who is designing these? Is it still Pierre Terblanche?
We need Massimo Tamburini or Miguel Galluzi back!
I'm in the extremely furtunate position of not having a dime to spend on another toy because that thing does nothing for me. I'm not even sure it's better than the Multispoozle. Good thing I have what I have. Think I'll go for a ride.
Quote from: RodeoClown on November 03, 2008, 01:48:22 PM
I thought the welds were off in that photo too when i saw the opening video.
I am sure this can look good with a fair amount of stripping or mods but not a huge fan of current state. I like it better than the Monster 1100.
Who is designing these? Is it still Pierre Terblanche?
We need Massimo Tamburini or Miguel Galluzi back!
i dislike the trellis frames that require gussets in the weld joints - the old school monsters don't have them, and a proper truss design shouldn't need them. What is wrong with the new batch?
mitt
[puke]
Oh man...hate it...
What up witht he rear view mirrors?
What up with the rear fender section...looks like a big a$$...
Quote from: M(*)nster on November 03, 2008, 11:16:55 AM
It's up on the www.ducatiusa.com website. Enjoy!
What's with the Ducati logo in the top left corner of that page?
Also, the link to the streetfighter site isn't working for me...
Quote from: superjohn on November 03, 2008, 01:39:32 PM
I think the KTM started it before the B-King. The Streetfighter has a little bit of Bimota in it as well to my humble eye.
(http://www.mc24.no/getfile.php/Innhold/Klassisk/Motorsykkel/MAD%2007%20-%20utstilling%20Milano/66_bimota_mantra.jpg%20(1000x671).jpg)
+
(http://www.adamrose.name/main/Portfolio_files/Collage-Anime.jpg)
=
(http://i71.servimg.com/u/f71/11/01/50/36/pict0018.jpg)
Meh. Pass.
If they can keep it under 375 pounds ready-to-ride and 135+ rear wheel horsepower it'll be damn impressive, though.
^^^
That Bimota is hideous. [puke]
Quote from: mitt on November 03, 2008, 01:52:44 PM
i dislike the trellis frames that require gussets in the weld joints - the old school monsters don't have them, and a proper truss design shouldn't need them. What is wrong with the new batch?
mitt
Looking at the engine, it appears that they had to make some compromises somewhere in frame geometry due to engine dimensions. The other possibility it looks like to me is that they may have made a sacrifice in the diameter of some of the frame tubes to save weight and have to offset these changes with gusseting. I'm leaning more toward the first of these possibilities as there seem to be clearance issues with the sensors and they did not want to reposition the engine for whatever reasons (COG, major cycle geometry, cost, etc...). I can't say that I am a fan of the gussets either, and the welding does appear to be done manually as opposed to robotically on these prototypes.
It also looks like on the "S" you get a different clutch cover....
Quote from: mitt on November 03, 2008, 01:52:44 PM
i dislike the trellis frames that require gussets in the weld joints - the old school monsters don't have them, and a proper truss design shouldn't need them. What is wrong with the new batch?
mitt
Higher hp engine, and perhaps they've lightened the frame tubing.
I must say I like the power to weight ratio 367 pounds even with ducati's historically optimistic scales, sounds nice.
Chris
Quote from: NAKID on November 03, 2008, 02:47:19 PM
It also looks like on the "S" you get a different clutch cover....
The S also comes with traction control too I believe
Chris
Quote from: zvezdah1 on November 03, 2008, 03:00:55 PM
The S also comes with traction control too I believe
Chris
that is sweet. how many naked bikes have that?
Ya know what's weird? I'm a die-hard 2V monster guy. But now that the 4V naked isn't a monster, I'd definitely rock it. It just always thought the monster had to be 2v and that the 4V should be saved for a bike specifically designed with the SBK engine in mind. And Ducati delivered.
Here are some more pics
http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/ducati-streetfighter-presentation.htm (http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/ducati-streetfighter-presentation.htm)
S has standard traction control and street legal. The 1098R traction is still technically not street legal because when it cuts the ignition it still squirts the gas so has emmissions issues...thus the Termi kit and ECU included to make it "track only"
Nice that they updated that. (although for all I know it's a completely different system)
edit...looks like the 1098R traction control got modified this year to be street legal too. and it's on the 1198S too. YAY!
it's been a while since i got a moto-boner like i just did.
wow, just wow. [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]
it's like a Robotech bike.. this is a WOW..........
WOW! :o
I want one.
as others have said
makes me love my old monster more and more with each new bike they put out
HOW MUCH???????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0GTWYbwYDM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0GTWYbwYDM)
Quote from: Cucciolo on November 03, 2008, 05:29:39 PM
HOW MUCH???????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0GTWYbwYDM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0GTWYbwYDM)
$15k base $19k S model.
Chris
I dunno, it's nice and all but for that kinda cash I'd rather have a SBK. Riding an upright standard/naked bike is comfy and all but comfort goes out the window in 3 digit speeds. With the motor and weight this thing has it's gonna almost be impossible not to flog it every chance you get.
The traction control sounds great, could save your life. [moto]
Not so into the styling. As was previously mentioned, too many creases. :-\
I like curves. ;D
Here ya go guys. About 50 pics from the show including some of the powerpoint presentation. Nice comparison with the S4R S as well on one slide.
http://www.ideladan.com/ibcgallery/ (http://www.ideladan.com/ibcgallery/)
(click on Milano)
This IMHO is the real continuation of the Monster line (ignoring the air cooled simplicity part)
Has anyone mentioned that they appear to have unveiled a new Ducati logo as well?
Thanks for the link.
IMHO they will sell a ton of these bikes.
Quote from: Rameses on November 03, 2008, 08:19:31 PM
Has anyone mentioned that they appear to have unveiled a new Ducati logo as well?
Yeah. One thread down.
Quote from: kopfjager on November 03, 2008, 08:21:55 PM
Yeah. One thread down.
Wow. How did I miss that?
Thanks for the heads up. [thumbsup]
Looks like a monster to me.
(http://www.ideladan.com/ibcgallery/galleries/MILANO/IMG_1156.jpg)
You can see who they are targeting with this new model.
(http://www.ideladan.com/ibcgallery/galleries/MILANO/IMG_1170.jpg)
How do I get that guys job?
(http://www.ideladan.com/ibcgallery/galleries/MILANO/IMG_1130.jpg)
so that's it... maybe there won't be a 4v engine for the new monster frame... the street fighter may be replacing the S4Rs.. those specs are brutal!
(http://www.ideladan.com/ibcgallery/galleries/MILANO/IMG_1127.jpg)
$20k OTD for the S
$2k for dual undertail Termi exhaust (set up like the angular 1098 exhausts I see, think they'll make these?)
Rear fender eliminator kit (looks like the rear blinkers and license plate holder are all one unit, think this will be diff in the states? are they trying to make this difficult for us?)
Bar end mirrors to get rid of the mickey mouse ears
once the mirrors are gone I'm thinkin the brake and clutch reservoirs will be sticking up too high and those will have to be lowered somehow (and painted black)
open clutch cover with red pressure plate
Color combo: Black of course and I'd like a red frame as well. I don't see that option yet though.
Is this bad that I already have this long of list of mods for a bike that was released today?
All said and done between now and next April I need to come up with about $24K for the new project.
Its a great looking bike, and the knife in my freaking heart is the 4.4 gallon tank.
But the near 20k question is......IS IT that much better then a Rs?
I'll keep my classic looking monster, with termis and a chip, and a slipper
Drool dripping from my open mouth ;D
Uhh....like some women, it'd be good-looking with a bag over its head! (sorry, ex-military)
Who signed off that Kawasaki Z1000-inspired headlight assembly? I thought Ducati was a design leader? Is Ferarri going to let Ducati keep using its paint colors?
...and would it really have been that hard to make the handlebar fluid reservoirs a little classier?
Domo arigato Mr. Roboto?
Quote from: jesse370 on November 03, 2008, 09:03:35 PM
Its a great looking bike, and the knife in my freaking heart is the 4.4 gallon tank.
But the near 20k question is......IS IT that much better then a Rs?
I'll keep my classic looking monster, with termis and a chip, and a slipper
It isn't a Monster.
It is a differnt bike.
I've decided to wait for the 1198 R version ;D
Quote from: darkster on November 03, 2008, 08:16:37 PM
Here ya go guys. About 50 pics from the show including some of the powerpoint presentation. Nice comparison with the S4R S as well on one slide.
http://www.ideladan.com/ibcgallery/ (http://www.ideladan.com/ibcgallery/)
(click on Milano)
This IMHO is the real continuation of the Monster line (ignoring the air cooled simplicity part)
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I'll take an 848 version for 13k...
I hate they've used the 1099 rather than 1199. A termi kitted RS puts out 130 at the wheel and a stock HyperFighter probably no more than 140 at best. As an 1198 you could do business with the big boys on those long down hill mt. straights [moto] and then outbrake the hell out of em at the end. ;D
Would it look strange with a good ole round headlight?
It would have to be an S
Undertail Termi exhaust and ECU upgrade a must if offered
Bar end mirrors first mod
open clutch cover with red pressure plate [thumbsup]
Color combo: Black of course [thumbsup]
I don't have $24K for the new project either.
LA
Quote from: Lukey on November 04, 2008, 12:04:19 AM
Who signed off that Kawasaki Z1000-inspired headlight assembly?
Domo arigato Mr. Roboto?
Headlight...and tank...and tail end. I was gung ho to get this bike. But, not if it resembles the bike I already own. I guess I will have a Monster again in the future.
I like these pics better than the leaked ones
http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/ducati-streetfighter-presentation.htm (http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/ducati-streetfighter-presentation.htm)
(http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbiker/newspics3/Ducati-StreetFighter-01.jpg)
mitt
Quote from: Lukey on November 04, 2008, 12:04:19 AM
Who signed off that Kawasaki Z1000-inspired headlight assembly?
+1
I was thinking the same thing, as my neighbor owns a Z1000..... [laugh]
I think I'll have to wait and see one (in red) in the flesh.
In more or less unrelated news, I saw a KTM Supermoto R on the road yesterday and almost creamed my jeans.
i love it! [clap]
Quote from: Speedbag on November 04, 2008, 06:53:10 AM
+1
I was thinking the same thing, as my neighbor owns a Z1000..... [laugh]
I think I'll have to wait and see one (in red) in the flesh.
In more or less unrelated news, I saw a KTM Supermoto R on the road yesterday and almost creamed my jeans.
I hate to say it, but KTM is looking better and better.
Unless they make an affordable Hailwood Race rep.
it looks like a cross between an aprilia shiver and a brutale.
talk about a huge departure, if you were complaining about the 696 headlight and such i'm surprised more people dont' hate this bike because the headlight and everything is totally different. basicallly just looks like a 1098 with the front faring cut off.
so just go out and buy a partially wrecked 1098 and don't put the farinig back on and you have the street fighter.
The reason people complained so much about the 696 headlight was because it looked like somebody hit it with a frying pan. The fighter's headlight, while not great, is not nearly as "smushed in" as the 696.
You guys know damn well if that tank said Yamaha, Honda, or Kawasaki on it, you'd be saying, "another Jap bug design." But, since it says DUCATI, you can't wait to cream all over it and hail it for its passionate Italian design.
Heck, I love Ducati too. I had an S4RS and was looking forward to this Streetfighter as my next bike. But in all honesty, I just feel like I've seen it before. When you look at the Monster, you know IMMEDIATELY that it's a MONSTER. There's no doubt about it, no confusion. When you look at this bike, you could mistake it for another Japanese bike or KTM Superduke easily.
The only thing that reminds me of a ducati on this thing is the trellis. The red looks much better than the black but holy crap why does it have to look so much like the kawasaki?! They are nearly identical!
Quote from: M(*)nster on November 04, 2008, 08:36:20 AM
You guys know damn well if that tank said Yamaha, Honda, or Kawasaki on it, you'd be saying, "another Jap bug design." But, since it says DUCATI, you can't wait to cream all over it and hail it for its passionate Italian design.
Heck, I love Ducati too. I had an S4RS and was looking forward to this Streetfighter as my next bike. But in all honesty, I just feel like I've seen it before. When you look at the Monster, you know IMMEDIATELY that it's a MONSTER. There's no doubt about it, no confusion. When you look at this bike, you could mistake it for another Japanese bike or KTM Superduke easily.
I agree, I really like the circle headlight. Triumph Speed Triple kept the dual headlights to distinguish itself from the rest, and still maintain that classic looks. I understand about "the future", "moving on"
I know the look will grow on me....now i know that my RS will be a classic in no time..
I like the bike, and I'll give it an O face....
(http://veganfreakradio.com/o-face.jpg)
I do like the red much better than the intro photos, but the belly pan and the headlight have to go. I like being able to see the top of the rear head, but taking off the belly pan would open up the horizontal cylinder better.
The looks are much better than the SDR KTM to me and of course the power is better too. [thumbsup]
I wonder how difficult it would be to "make" one out of a 1198? Now that would be a blast.
LA
me likey if I had 15k would consider all those horses with no fairing is crazy though.
It feels pretty cool knowing I have one of the last Liquid Cooled Monsters. [wine] I guess if I were looking for a "StreetFighter" type bike I would consider the Ducati Streetfighter. I doubt I would pay the 19K for the S-model.
I personally think sales are going to hurt on the Streetfighter. My 2cents.
I like that the radiators look a lot cleaner - I think that belly pan mass looks way better than the "bolted on as an afterthought" look on the S4 - easily the weakest design point of the current monster IMHO. Not sure on the headlights on this one. Certain angles it kinda looks good and others it kinda looks awful. Like the tail. Like the FULL trellis. Like the overall concept and look. Maybe have to switch out the front light and do something with the reservoirs as someone else mentioned.
Tech specs aside (say everything was equal) I'd still be more willing to plunk money down on a fighter before a new monster. Then again, just taking an 848 and stripping it might be a better bet other than the ergonomics.
Quote from: M(*)nster on November 04, 2008, 08:36:20 AM
You guys know damn well if that tank said Yamaha, Honda, or Kawasaki on it, you'd be saying, "another Jap bug design." But, since it says DUCATI, you can't wait to cream all over it and hail it for its passionate Italian design.
Heck, I love Ducati too. I had an S4RS and was looking forward to this Streetfighter as my next bike. But in all honesty, I just feel like I've seen it before. When you look at the Monster, you know IMMEDIATELY that it's a MONSTER. There's no doubt about it, no confusion. When you look at this bike, you could mistake it for another Japanese bike or KTM Superduke easily.
Well said.
Quote from: sbrguy on November 04, 2008, 08:24:46 AM
so just go out and buy a partially wrecked 1098 and don't put the farinig back on and you have the street fighter.
OH YEAH! Now we're talking!
yeah if you look at it the tail is just the 1098 tail no change, so its sorta like he brutale tail, and the front faring looks like they just took of teh windscreen and cut down the front faring so that only the part around the headlights are there and the entire side farings are gone.
the tank looks practically identical to the 1098 tank, sort of what the brutale did with the f-4 tank, so its really more like the brutale/f-4 idea than anything else. streetfighter/1098
just get a partically wrecked 1098 and if the farings are toast, so long as the the tank and the tail are good you are set, you basically have a street fighter which you can now change the headlight to make it more like the traditional "monster" if you wanted.
I just want to know how they have made the thing so damn light ? There is MORE junk on that thing, and it's lighter? [popcorn]
You know something weird? I saw a 999 missing its fairings (in for an oil change) and I thought it was beautiful. The tank and frame look great uncovered. I would really like to see a streetfightered 1098.
Quote from: Lukey on November 04, 2008, 04:42:50 PM
You know something weird? I saw a 999 missing its fairings (in for an oil change) and I thought it was beautiful. The tank and frame look great uncovered. I would really like to see a streetfightered 1098.
+1 - saw a guy in the canyons a few weeks ago with a 749 that got rashed up so he just ran no fairings, and i thought it looked pretty cool.
Here's one I made back in 2002
(http://www.ducatiseattle.com/slide_shows/996monster/01.jpg)
Dave, put the clipons back on and I'd ride it home. (well...no...it is me after all...I'd trailer it)
niiiiice.
[thumbsup]
Quote from: Dave R on November 04, 2008, 05:07:36 PM
Here's one I made back in 2002
(http://www.ducatiseattle.com/slide_shows/996monster/01.jpg)
The first mcn "concept" photos that came out looked soooo much like that, I though of your bike.
mitt
Please do not mention the 696 and the Streetfighter, in the same sentence.
Looking back, I think the pivotal moment for me with Ducati was when they licensed the brand to Sandisk to produce a usb flash drive. That's when I realized the focus of the company had shifted. Before Sandisk, Ducati raced motorcycles by selling motorcycles. Today, Ducati markets a brand and sells motorcycles by racing motorcycles. The bikes are clearly targeting mainstream riders in design, construction, and features and they make compromises at every step along the way.
The 999 design missed, but even if you hated it, you had to respect the uncompromising spirit from which it sprang. Indeed, the fact that the design was so polarizing belies the uncompromising nature of that bike. The 1098 has been a great success and is very well received, but the design doesn't push the envelope and probably benefits disproportionately from its predecessor's divisiveness. The new monsters are the least cohesive designs yet and now Ducati introduces a completely different design within the same line. There is a lot to recommend the new monsters, and they are almost certainly much better bikes than 2001 monster 900 that I ride. Sadly, what I and many other monster owners realize is that the new monsters are merely comparably favorable, not overwhelmingly dominate like the original monsters. So it goes, nothing lasts forever. Ducati seems to be content pursuing above average not outstanding. That's not enough for me and luckily alternatives do exist like the KTM Super Duke or even Moto Morini. If Bimota were half as expensive as they are, my next bike would almost certainly be a Delirio with mods.
So, that's it. I'm just disappointed to realize that the original monster will represent a singular accomplishment for Ducati, rather than establishing a lineage of lucid design and innovative technological application which by any measure was its destiny, now abruptly halted.
the first monster was a "streetfighter idea", take a superbike (851-888) strip the bodywork ad handlebars and a small tail section and here you go! Did run the twin headlights (which by the way was twin on most SF because early GSXR with out bodywork looked like that) Motor was aircooled too compared to 851.
The new streetfighter is nothing new i have seen similar bikes from pretty much all the manufacters
Agusta F4 -Brutale
Yamaha R1 -FZ1
Kawasaki ZX9R - Z1000/Z750
Suzuki hayabusa - B-King
Honda CBR1000RR - CB1000R/CB919
Triumph Daytona - Speedtriple
Bimota DB6 - Delirio
Aprilia RSV - Tuono
and KTm with Superduke which is one of the few bikes that starts as a naked (superduke) and turns into a superbike (RC8)
I think that this bike with a shortie Termi would just be sick. I'm digging this thing more and more though. It is kinda annoying me. That I look at my bike today and think it looks "dated" compared to that of the Streetfighter, the new Monster 1100. I really wanna see what the Venom is gonna look like too. Yet I read in a article that the RC8 vs 1098S (or was it 1098) and the Ducati beat it. I still think getting hit on the depreciation for a new one of these (Streetfighter or Monster 1100) is completely not worth it. I still think SuperDuke looks "current/modern" in comparison to my bike, and the new 2009 Ducati's. Do I hear a "Streetfighter vs Monster 1100" poll? Question is which one will you buy? The new 2009 line-up takes one line and creates two. Greed is good.
cg
Quote from: Cucciolo on November 03, 2008, 08:43:14 PM
so that's it... maybe there won't be a 4v engine for the new monster frame... the street fighter may be replacing the S4Rs.. those specs are brutal!
I think that is apparently obvious. That this IS the new S4R S. It's all about profits. They will make/sell less of these than Monster 696's & 1100's, but it will keep buyers from going to other European brands. Most Ducati riders don't like Jap bikes (I know that is incorrect but a popular belief) so they chose more "unique" brands. Why let them all go get the Venom, Brutale, Aprilia or Speed Triple (since it's liquid cooled)? Having this keeps S4R/S4R S owners from ditching Ducati's. Although you do ditch owning a "Monster", Gonna have a Streetfighterforum.org soon. Unless some Capcom geeks have that name.
cg
Quote from: giannis on November 04, 2008, 11:13:48 PM
the first monster was a "streetfighter idea", take a superbike (851-888) strip the bodywork ad handlebars and a small tail section and here you go! Did run the twin headlights (which by the way was twin on most SF because early GSXR with out bodywork looked like that) Motor was aircooled too compared to 851.
The new streetfighter is nothing new i have seen similar bikes from pretty much all the manufacters
Agusta F4 -Brutale
Yamaha R1 -FZ1
Kawasaki ZX9R - Z1000/Z750
Suzuki hayabusa - B-King
Honda CBR1000RR - CB1000R/CB919
Triumph Daytona - Speedtriple
Bimota DB6 - Delirio
Aprilia RSV - Tuono
and KTm with Superduke which is one of the few bikes that starts as a naked (superduke) and turns into a superbike (RC8)
The B-King. You have got to be make the beast with two backsing kidding me. You obviously haven't seen one of those turds in person.
And KTM has always been a dirt bike company, so of course their first street bike was naked.
I keep looking at it and looking at it some more. It's just not all that sexy. :-\
My M900 was definitely sexy.
The 1098 is drool-inducingly sexy.
But the Streetfighter leaves me a little cold for some reason. Like I said earlier, I think maybe my eyes need to see it in person to really get the full effect.
Then again, a quick spin down a deserted country road might make all the difference too. ;)
Quote from: kopfjager on November 04, 2008, 06:28:38 PM
Please do not mention the 696 and the Streetfighter, in the same sentence.
So you don't want ppl to quote you?
Quote from: Jobu on November 05, 2008, 03:01:51 AM
The B-King. You have got to be make the beast with two backsing kidding me. You obviously haven't seen one of those turds in person.
And KTM has always been a dirt bike company, so of course their first street bike was naked.
yep
B-King = turd. [clap] at least someone finally said it.
Quote from: CountGreffi on November 05, 2008, 12:19:38 AM
I'm digging this thing more and more though. It is kinda annoying me. That I look at my bike today and think it looks "dated" compared to that of the Streetfighter, the new Monster 1100.
Don't sweat it. If your bike was cool yesterday, the announcement of this bike doesn't make yours any less cool. You'd have to buy a new bike every year to have the latest fashion.
I have to say I'm not a huge fan of the giant cover they have on the exhaust that protects your heal. It covers way to big of an area if you ask me. :P More metal less plastic
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(http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbiker/newspics3/Ducati-StreetFighter-01.jpg)
aren't the rearsets a bit low ?! ``
i got a txt message from the ducati dealer in kuwait whose in Milan right now asking me which color i prefer,, he is attending a meeting with ducati management and they're asking about customers opinions on the StreetFighter
about the giant cover on the exhaust,, a shorty termi will clean up things [thumbsup] ```
still thinking whether to sell my '05 S4R or have both!!! let's hope the dealer won't overprice it :-\ ``
more PICs to drool
(http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/eicma-2008-ducati-streetfighter-e-streetfighter-s/big_Ducati_Streetfighter_01.jpg)
(http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/eicma-2008-ducati-streetfighter-e-streetfighter-s/big_Ducati_Streetfighter_14.jpg)
(http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/eicma-2008-ducati-streetfighter-e-streetfighter-s/big_Ducati_Streetfighter_13.jpg)
(http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/eicma-2008-ducati-streetfighter-e-streetfighter-s/big_Ducati_Streetfighter_12.jpg)
http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/eicma-2008-ducati-streetfighter-e-streetfighter-s/1 (http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/eicma-2008-ducati-streetfighter-e-streetfighter-s/1)
i'm getting the standard version but still not decided red or white .. maybe painting it yellow! ;D ```
Looks like a Hypermotard had sex with a Monster.
Quote from: Dave R on November 04, 2008, 05:07:36 PM
Here's one I made back in 2002
(http://www.ducatiseattle.com/slide_shows/996monster/01.jpg)
I MUST have that bike!!!
Hey! Thanks for the new pics! The better lighting and angles really help it a lot. I am able to see a little more Ducati and a little less Kawasaki. I still wish it had softer lines, though...the Monster is sexy, the Fighter is..."athletic" is the best compliment I can give it.
I may have just put my finger on it!
Fighter is to Monster as 999 is to 916
Hmm?? Maybe the Fighter 2 will salvage things :-\
Hmmm. Methinks there are way too many plastic-ey bits on there. :P
Specifically the thing along the bottom edge of the tank, and that thing on the exhaust. Belt covers too, of course, although they've always been....
Ok now its growing on me those pics are much better. However the tail and tank are almost identical to the 1098, not really a bad thing but not good either. Makes you wonder what a stripped 1098 would look like in comparison. Not bad ducati not bad at all! I'll take a red one!
Amazed at the varied responses on all the forums about love / hate the new streetfighter, the original monster was received the same way I'm sure, way back in 94.
I've had a couple monsters and they're very fun bikes but I think the new streetfighter kicks it up a notch in serious performance. and a great competitor for the tuono and brutale. This type of bike is an expanding market so those of us who are too old to be bent over the tank of a 1098 all day can get similar perf. with a better level of comfort. I'm sure I'll use mine to tour on as I do with my tuono.
I think they've hit a home run.
Chris
Quote from: zvezdah1 on November 05, 2008, 12:49:27 PM
Amazed at the varied responses on all the forums about love / hate the new streetfighter, the original monster was received the same way I'm sure, way back in 94.
I wouldn't be so sure...I seem to remember universal acclaim. Except from the GSXR1100 crowd of course...
Quote from: GLantern on November 05, 2008, 12:29:11 PM
Ok now its growing on me those pics are much better.... I'll take a red one!
I love the beefy stacked exhaust.
And Henry Ford said it best, "any color as long as it's black."
(http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/2009-Ducati-Streetfighter-2.jpg)
Quote from: Monster Dave on November 05, 2008, 01:03:04 PM
I love the beefy stacked exhaust.
And Henry Ford said it best, "any color as long as it's black."
it's a pregnant dog this, i really want the BLACK ONE... but it's soooo much more money!
Quote from: zvezdah1 on November 05, 2008, 12:49:27 PM
I'm sure I'll use mine to tour on as I do with my tuono.
I think they've hit a home run.
Chris
Don't expect to be touring on that sucker!! Unless they expanded the tank to at least 6 gallons have fun stopping every 100miles if it is anything like the 1098's gas consumption [laugh]
Don't think I'd put one in my personal garage, but I'd love to have the opportunity to make the beast with two backs with one asthetically. There are things I would change on it FOR SURE.
*YOU HEAR THAT D.N.A.!!!!*
Quote from: Jobu on November 05, 2008, 03:01:51 AM
The B-King. You have got to be make the beast with two backsing kidding me. You obviously haven't seen one of those turds in person.
And KTM has always been a dirt bike company, so of course their first street bike was naked.
I didnt say the Bking was a beauty i said that manufacters already convert sportbikes to naked or streetfighters before so i added the B-King which is a Naked hayabusa. i know looks ugly but i rode one and i have to say might be the faster naked production bike i ever rode..
I think the racked out forks looks really cool. Interesting to see how the handling will be different, it has the slightly longer wheelbase.
Yamaha does this styling better. This bike looks 200lbs lighter and a lot less cluttered.
(http://www.thebikergene.com/gallery/zen/i.php?a=FZ1N&i=img46937cdc82f64.jpg&w=500&h=)
Quote from: Travman on November 05, 2008, 04:53:10 PM
Yamaha does this styling better. This bike looks 200lbs lighter and a lot less cluttered.
(http://www.thebikergene.com/gallery/zen/i.php?a=FZ1N&i=img46937cdc82f64.jpg&w=500&h=)
i really like the yellow version of this one!
Quote from: Travman on November 05, 2008, 04:53:10 PM
Yamaha does this styling better. This bike looks 200lbs lighter and a lot less cluttered.
(http://www.thebikergene.com/gallery/zen/i.php?a=FZ1N&i=img46937cdc82f64.jpg&w=500&h=)
That bike only has a dry weight of 177lbs*?!?! Damn that's impressive
-DirtyRonin
*streetfighter dry weight is 377lbs
Quote from: Travman on November 05, 2008, 04:53:10 PM
Yamaha does this styling better. This bike looks 200lbs lighter and a lot less cluttered.
(http://www.thebikergene.com/gallery/zen/i.php?a=FZ1N&i=img46937cdc82f64.jpg&w=500&h=)
It may look lighter in your eyes, but it's not ;)
Quote from: Travman on November 05, 2008, 04:53:10 PM
Yamaha does this styling better. This bike looks 200lbs lighter and a lot less cluttered.
(http://www.thebikergene.com/gallery/zen/i.php?a=FZ1N&i=img46937cdc82f64.jpg&w=500&h=)
Well it's an inline four so the side profile is much smaller than the l twin. Also, I like the ducati trellis frame, much less of a bulk to the traditional frame in the Japanes bikes.
Chris
Quote from: DirtyRonin on November 05, 2008, 05:01:09 PM
That bike only has a dry weight of 177lbs*?!?! Damn that's impressive
-DirtyRonin
*streetfighter dry weight is 377lbs
Ducati quote 366 or 368 pounds for the streetfighter, of course anyone who's been around manufacturers quoted weights and ducatis in particular will know it's hard to duplicate the claimed weights.
Chris
at least the stock exhaust is cool
The more I look at it the more it looks to me like the proper continuation of the S4R line. In a modern angular way it looks like an updated monster (much better than that 696 and 1100 crap).
But where is a black one with a red frame???? Thats the color combo I want. Disappointed they don't have at least a black standard one, the S is prolly more than I'm willing to pay right now for a motorcycle and too much to pay for just a color combo.
Black with red frame and red stripe standard version please.
more PICs from hell for leather
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/images/Streetfighter_pearl%20white.jpg)
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/images/Streetfighter_red.jpg)
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/images/Streetfighter_S_Front.jpg)
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/images/Streetfighter_S_Red.jpg)
I think it looks bad ass. For a superbike sans plastics it looks very clean. The lines are very consistent with the 1098/1198. the angle of the headlight and mini fairing are in direct line with the tank. I'd have to photoshop it to confirm but i'd bet the headlight is in the same position as the headlights on the 1098/1198 and that might be for an engineering reason. The exhaust is also the best looking stock exhaust I've seen in a long time on a naked bike.
The MSRP for a new one is high but I'll be searching the want ads next summer/fall that's for sure.
Add some CRG's and lose the mirrors and I'd be very happy and all set for the Tenn/NC mountains.
Whatever it looks like, it does look fast...
But if fast was enough, the B-King would be popular. :-\
Why did they cover up the subframe like that? It seems as though they were planning on using an aluminimum subframe like the monster but finaly decided to use a trellis subframe (which didn't look good on this bike) and then added the plastics to cover it up.
I kinda wonder how the headlight would look on a monster (1100). I like the smaller instrument panel on the streetfighter. The one on the monster just sticks out too much.
For a 15.000$/â,¬ bike the standard one looks shit. The S version looks a lot better with the contrasting color frame and wheels.
put the seat and tank on a regular monster and put something like the hypermotard headlight on it but slightly different on a 2v version of the bike and you will have one really slick looking bike.
the lower radiator looks just way too large for the bike, if that thing was tossed the bike would take on a much sleeker look to it.
not sure i like the headlight with all the angles to it, i understand they made it look like a minature version of the 1098 faring but for some reason it has too many reflective parts on it. simplfy it with something like the brutale hadlight and it will look perfect.
Quote from: sbrguy on November 06, 2008, 01:27:00 AM
not sure i like the headlight with all the angles to it, i understand they made it look like a minature version of the 1098 faring but for some reason it has too many reflective parts on it.
true, but I'm guessing it 'l look better in person. There aren't any good pics of it, but when the light is on (which should be always, at least in most of the EU countries) it appears to be a round shape.
Could someone w PS skills remove mirrors, passenger fotrest assy & pee cups and add a highmount, sleek, round, not shortie carbon or ss can + a carbon or black lower radiator cover on this?
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/images/Streetfighter_S_Front.jpg)
I LIKE IT! I just wonder what the exhaust is gonna sound like. The cans look good and I would hate to have to lose those looks just to get better sound (but in reality, you gotta pay to play). I think the mirrors would fall off at the shop though.
Hope this helps, haven't got time to do more
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn174/748s/Streetfighter_S_Front.jpg)
Quote from: 748s on November 06, 2008, 04:29:26 AM
Hope this helps, haven't got time to do more
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn174/748s/Streetfighter_S_Front.jpg)
Now thats looking much better! Try the trellis frame in red if u can
Quote from: sbrguy on November 06, 2008, 01:27:00 AM
the lower radiator looks just way too large for the bike, if that thing was tossed the bike would take on a much sleeker look to it.
More power =more heat. I don't think you can just "toss" something like that...
To Ducati's credit, they DID take a lot of flak for the liquid-cooled monsters' exposed plumbing looking unsightly. This bike appears to be an attempt to address that.
I can't say I like like the look of this bike. Some of it I like but overall the whole bike doesn't flow all that well. The headlight assembly is too small and too low imo...
Quote from: 748s on November 06, 2008, 04:29:26 AM
Hope this helps, haven't got time to do more
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn174/748s/Streetfighter_S_Front.jpg)
you just made up my mind... i was preferring the black S but not wanting to spend the extra dosh... this looks great. i'll put some dough aside for a carbon fender.
i should buy you a beer, you just save me $4500 [beer]
Quote from: Rotten Randy on November 06, 2008, 09:00:51 AM
I can't say I like like the look of this bike. Some of it I like but overall the whole bike doesn't flow all that well. The headlight assembly is too small and too low imo...
i actually love the way the waist-line on the headlight fairing lines up with the tank line... it's purty.
I like the red and white a lot better than the black. I think the all black just made it look too thick.
mitt
here ya go....
somebody else'll have to do the pipe tho....
(http://i33.tinypic.com/5v0g7b.jpg)
With under-tail exhaust
(http://freshbrand.com/STUFF/hyperf.jpg)
with black cowl and red frame.....
(http://i35.tinypic.com/hv6yja.jpg)
Ducati talks about the model range, ABS and lighter bikes......
Also some talk about the MS development,
and nice video of the Fighter
http://www.bike.no/content/1583/ (http://www.bike.no/content/1583/)
Hmm maybe a gold frame would blend on the S model well thanks to the ohlins.
Hope you don't have to remove those pipes to remove your rim. :P
Quote from: Super T.I.B on November 06, 2008, 12:56:28 PM
Hope you don't have to remove those pipes to remove your rim. :P
"Spect it's the same as my brute, loosen a couple bolts and the pipes pivot out of the way just enough to drop the wheel.
Chris
That settles it. Underseat exhaust, barend mirrors, lose the rear fender, and it is perfect for me.
I will have one.
(http://i35.tinypic.com/hv6yja.jpg)
Thx, PS guys! [thumbsup]
Loosing mirrors & pee cups, black lower radiator cover, rear footrests & red frame helps alot, think I was right about that.
About pipes I meant not undertail ones, more highmount style. Carbon would maybe be best. To free view of wheel/sss & cover space wheel-tail.
Under tail not too bad, though.
Öhlins forks looks abit blingy, maybe black? If so, maybe also frontlight black?
Clipons, anyone?
Did it look like the pillion pegs bolted to the pipes on the right side?
Couldn't quite catch it exactly?
Uhhh, if you get rid of the pee cups, what are you going to do for brakes?
There are black or anodizised cups, just visuailizing/modding to get a picture of what this could become.
Headlight = fugly.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on November 06, 2008, 05:53:04 PM
Headlight = fugly.
You know... thats the only part of the bike I really really dislike :-\
Someone photoshop a better Headlight on there please ;D
Quote from: Duck-Stew on November 06, 2008, 05:53:04 PM
Headlight = fugly.
It's blasphemy, I know, but for some reason I keep picturing a standard Harley V-Rod headlight pulled in nice and tight to the fork.... ;)
production in April/May
Quote from: Speedbag on November 06, 2008, 06:15:04 PM
It's blasphemy, I know, but for some reason I keep picturing a standard Harley V-Rod headlight pulled in nice and tight to the fork.... ;)
There is nothing blasphemous about using the V-Rod headlight. The HD barrier has been broken. It has been used before on custom Ducatis.
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Custom%20Bikes/Radical%20Ducati%20Cafe%20Racer.jpg)
Quote from: vampire on November 06, 2008, 06:49:50 PM
production in April/May
According to the dealer order sheets at the US dealers meetings, bikes should be in the dealerships may/june.
Chris
Quote from: zvezdah1 on November 06, 2008, 07:10:36 PM
According to the dealer order sheets at the US dealers meetings, bikes should be in the dealerships may/june.
Chris
that exactly what i have been told!! in this case,, i'll wait until i see it in person because we don't ride in summer here [bacon] ```
Quote from: Speedbag on November 06, 2008, 06:15:04 PM
It's blasphemy, I know, but for some reason I keep picturing a standard Harley V-Rod headlight pulled in nice and tight to the fork.... ;)
Precisely the headlight I was thinking of.... Well, starting with at least. May change my mind after seeing it on the bike in daylight.
QuoteI think it looks bad ass. For a superbike sans plastics it looks very clean. The lines are very consistent with the 1098/1198. the angle of the headlight and mini fairing are in direct line with the tank. I'd have to photoshop it to confirm but i'd bet the headlight is in the same position as the headlights on the 1098/1198 and that might be for an engineering reason. The exhaust is also the best looking stock exhaust I've seen in a long time on a naked bike.
The MSRP for a new one is high but I'll be searching the want ads next summer/fall that's for sure.
Add some CRG's and lose the mirrors and I'd be very happy and all set for the Tenn/NC mountains.
I'm with you cowboy this bike is badass to the bone! [evil] I'm gettin one!!!!
photo slopped... Ditched tail, rabbit ears, gold frame, red rims and to boot i found some headlight on google.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3026/3009908370_d41a634c81.jpg?v=0)
Quote from: mattyvas on November 06, 2008, 04:24:57 PM
Did it look like the pillion pegs bolted to the pipes on the right side?
Couldn't quite catch it exactly?
Yes. Need a new exhaust system to remove passenger footpeg [laugh]
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn174/748s/pasfootpegRIGHT.jpg)
Needs a new exhaust system, period.
Quote from: billg69gmc on November 06, 2008, 09:12:36 PM
photo slopped... Ditched tail, rabbit ears, gold frame, red rims and to boot i found some headlight on google.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3026/3009908370_d41a634c81.jpg?v=0)
Ooooooohhhh, now we're getting somewhere! Maybe try a 696 or Brutale headlight?
Quote from: vampire on November 06, 2008, 07:16:40 PM
that exactly what i have been told!! in this case,, i'll wait until i see it in person because we don't ride in summer here [bacon] ```
I'm hoping they have it at the cycleworld shows coming up over the next few months, I'll be going to the one South Carolina even tho 4 hour drive.
Tho I put a deposit down due to an injury I really need to sit on it to make sure it's ok for me. I bought an aprlia shiver a few months ago, and sold it two months later at a nice big loss because I couldn't sit on it. Don't want to do that again. Good thing is my dealer will have an S model demo which I'll be able to ride.
Chris
Hi, my name is Robert, and you suck at photoshop.
Here is the 696 Light assembly.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/3010368638_364fc868f5.jpg)
Yikes [puke], that angle just does not work for that headlight!
Quote from: Lukey on November 06, 2008, 11:33:29 PM
Ooooooohhhh, now we're getting somewhere! Maybe try a 696 or Brutale headlight?
[bang] Why would you ruin that nice photochop with such a horrid suggestion?
Don't post when you're drunk. ;D
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 07, 2008, 03:43:21 AM
Hi, my name is Robert, and you suck at photoshop.
Here is the 696 Light assembly.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/3010368638_364fc868f5.jpg)
+1 on the [puke]
the bike just looks so heavy...
Quote from: ghosthound on November 07, 2008, 07:58:26 AM
the bike just looks so heavy...
Looks heavy, but it ain't.
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 07, 2008, 03:43:21 AM
Hi, my name is Robert, and you suck at photoshop.
Here is the 696 Light assembly.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/3010368638_364fc868f5.jpg)
This bike looks slow and droopy
Quote from: damianS4RS on November 07, 2008, 08:13:09 AM
This bike looks slow and droopy
That is the worst angle for the bike, and the worst color for looking thick.
mitt
Quote from: DCXCV on November 07, 2008, 07:32:59 AM
[bang] Why would you ruin that nice photochop with such a horrid suggestion?
Don't post when you're drunk. ;D
Yah, actually, I repent :-X (even though I hadn't been drinking).
Neither one looks quite right...maybe that's why they came up with the robo-headlight.
Curses! This bike SHOULD be able to look good. What's the missing ingredient?
Quote from: Lukey on November 07, 2008, 09:15:04 AM
Yah, actually, I repent :-X (even though I hadn't been drinking).
Neither one looks quite right...maybe that's why they came up with the robo-headlight.
Curses! This bike SHOULD be able to look good. What's the missing ingredient?
It actually DOES look good. What we can't reconcile is admitting that it looks good and that it looks like a Z1000, KTM, or Brutale. It hurts our Ducati pride.
The studio pics in black are absolutely awful and doesn't really show the bike, the red and pearl white pics are far better at showing the bike
Chris
Quote from: zvezdah1 on November 07, 2008, 10:11:31 AM
The studio pics in black are absolutely awful and doesn't really show the bike, the red and pearl white pics are far better at showing the bike
Chris
I agree. What's up with the black background? It makes it hard to see any detail in the bike, and hard to tell where you can see through. Seeing through the bike is an important part for a monster
Quote from: ghosthound on November 07, 2008, 07:58:26 AM
the bike just looks so heavy...
ducati's tend to look more "dense" because they are short and narrow and more stuff gets crammed closer together.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on November 07, 2008, 12:57:08 PM
ducati's tend to look more "dense" because they are short and narrow and more stuff gets crammed closer together.
it will be interesting to see what it would look like without the shroud behind the lower rad
i am now the proud owner of 'first on the list' for a red base model at my local dealer. can't wait.
The bike looks like a freakin z1000
Im bummed, first the 696
now this..... :'(
Quote from: Lukey on November 07, 2008, 09:15:04 AM
Curses! This bike SHOULD be able to look good. What's the missing ingredient?
I haven't figured it out yet, but am working on it.....
Quote from: Duck-Stew on November 07, 2008, 02:20:33 PM
I haven't figured it out yet, but am working on it.....
Its missing class ;)
When are we going to see this bike in the stores? I don't think any pictures can quite capture the complete beauty of a Ducati.
Three things standout that are a real eye sore on this bike ...the humped gas tank, the wide seat/seat cowling, and the mirrors. Its visually imbalanced and doesn't flow at all. The seat, gas tank, and mirrors look like a last minute change as well as a feeble attempt to make it Ducati unique. The seat is a contradiction to the name Street Fighter ...it looks more fitting for geriatric cruising than it does for street fighting.
Quote from: Massinova on November 07, 2008, 02:27:17 PM
Three things standout that are a real eye sore on this bike ...the humped gas tank, the wide seat/seat cowling, and the mirrors. Its visually imbalanced and doesn't flow at all. The seat, gas tank, and mirrors look like a last minute change as well as a feeble attempt to make it Ducati unique. The seat is a contradiction to the name Street Fighter ...it looks more fitting for geriatric cruising than it does for street fighting.
Um.. do you mean the superbike tank and superbike seat/rear? The original streetfighters were stripped superbikes. :-\
Ducati makes a Hypermotard ya know 8)
I'm keeping my Monster. Streetfighters aren't made in a factory, they're made in your garage.
I prefere the Brutale's look if we are going to get away from the Cafe Racer look like the Monster.
The specs are very similar
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/3011795378_563b4fe5d6.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3010956485_46d5dcd4d8.jpg)
It's amazing how similar those bikes look...
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 07, 2008, 04:57:42 PM
I prefere the Brutale's look if we are going to get away from the Cafe Racer look like the Monster.
The specs are very similar
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/3011795378_563b4fe5d6.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/3010956485_46d5dcd4d8.jpg)
And let's not forget about the Benelli TNT...
(http://www.motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/2006_Bikes/tnt%20sport.jpg)
I think that it's all going to come down to that test ride...
Undoubtedly one naked bike is going to look like other naked bikes, just like full faired bikes look similar as well.. The ride will be a tell tale obviously but I see a TON of different stying ques on the Ducati Fighter compared to the others.
Quote from: Dave R on November 07, 2008, 05:50:25 PM
Undoubtedly one naked bike is going to look like other naked bikes, just like full faired bikes look similar as well.. The ride will be a tell tale obviously but I see a TON of different stying ques on the Ducati Fighter compared to the others.
I'm with Dave, other than they all have 2 wheels and no bodywork, there are not many similarities. Frame, tank, headlight, exhaust, tail section, motor, wheels, the overall lines are all different. But they all have the same basic layout since they're big naked bikes. This is the only big naked bike that truly looks different (i.e. hideous):
(http://www.ducatiomaha.com/images/2009buell1125cr.jpg)
Quote from: jarelj on November 07, 2008, 06:02:37 PM
I'm with Dave, other than they all have 2 wheels and no bodywork, there are not many similarities. Frame, tank, headlight, exhaust, tail section, motor, wheels, the overall lines are all different. But they all have the same basic layout since they're big naked bikes. This is the only big naked bike that truly looks different (i.e. hideous):
(http://www.ducatiomaha.com/images/2009buell1125cr.jpg)
Isin't that the Power Ranger Motorcycle ;D
i think you guys are all nitpicking. If you lined up all the bikes mentioned along with the streetfighter minus the name on the tank there's only one that looks like a Ducati. It's not even close. There's no doubt where it's lineage is (1098) and there's no doubt looking at it who made it - Ducati.
I'm now of the belief that some of you will never be satisfied with anything other than the old design. Claiming it looks japanese is just ridiculous. Claiming it looks like the Benelli or Augusta is also a stretch; it is a much cleaner design than either of those.
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 07, 2008, 03:43:21 AM
Hi, my name is Robert, and you suck at photoshop.
Here is the 696 Light assembly.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/3010368638_364fc868f5.jpg)
There's always the saying two is better than one!
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/3011360345_5930fd2019_o.jpg)
Quote from: billg69gmc on November 07, 2008, 08:40:30 PM
There's always the saying two is better than one!
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/3011360345_5930fd2019_o.jpg)
You know how about a smaller version of a double headlight?
Quote from: M(*)nster on November 07, 2008, 10:06:35 AM
It actually DOES look good. What we can't reconcile is admitting that it looks good and that it looks like a Z1000, KTM, or Brutale. It hurts our Ducati pride.
Sorry, I don't mean to be antagonistic, but please speak for yourself. I've never liked the Z1000, and KTMs don't really do it for me (this from an ex Duke II owner) and I've never thought the Brutale looked as good as any monster, no matter how much "attention to detail" is was acclaimed for. The headlight from the Fighter has to go IMO. It sucks. The rest is growing on me, not the headlight. Cheap fix, at least!
PS - I also hate Monster flyscreens and have removed mine. Much happier. Maybe Ducati figures people will only see their bikes from behind?
I have spent some time looking at headlight images to see what I can photochop on the Fighter but I can't seem to find anything that looks natural.
Quote from: ROBsS4R on October 31, 2008, 03:22:39 AM
I do like the look of that one.
I hope they make it for the vertically challenged like they do with the Monster's
(http://www.motoplanete.com/newsmpcontent_images/1/octobre_2008/ducati-streetfighter-2.jpg)
I like this front, especially because it's kind of high. Try put that on there?
Good idea [thumbsup]
I kept looking for a 848 or 1098 picture I can pull apart but that one works pretty well.
I Like this one the best so far.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/3011769307_bf5e927602_o.jpg)
I feel like you could say any bike looks like another one. Sure there are features of the streetfighter that resemble other manufacturers designs. but isn't that true for about 90 percent of other bikes...
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 08, 2008, 01:54:14 AM
Good idea [thumbsup]
I kept looking for a 848 or 1098 picture I can pull apart but that one works pretty well.
I Like this one the best so far.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/3011769307_bf5e927602_o.jpg)
+1
I love the "eyes" on a 1098, and this is similar.
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 08, 2008, 01:54:14 AM
Good idea [thumbsup]
I kept looking for a 848 or 1098 picture I can pull apart but that one works pretty well.
I Like this one the best so far.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/3011769307_bf5e927602_o.jpg)
now this I might buy.... [thumbsup]
2 hi res PICs just found them from motorcycleUSA.com
a closer look to the headlight,, it's not bad
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/Streetfighter_red.jpg (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/Streetfighter_red.jpg)
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/DUC0007OK.jpg (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/DUC0007OK.jpg)
since we are all photochopping to glee, how about one of the new bike with a nice rack? i mean, wouldn't everyone want a hot Ducati with boobies???
and no jokes either. i don't want Mrs Garrett's from the facts of life with the freckles on the left can, lets have some nice ones.
I am surprised to see the dark frames on these bikes. I understand that only having to inventory one color frame makes it easier. But come on that trellis frame is something I want to see. As soon as I can convince myself I can live without the bike a couple of months I want to get mine PC red
Quote from: dbran1949 on November 08, 2008, 09:41:21 AM
I am surprised to see the dark frames on these bikes. I understand that only having to inventory one color frame makes it easier. But come on that trellis frame is something I want to see. As soon as I can convince myself I can live without the bike a couple of months I want to get mine PC red
According to the ducati site, the pearl and red bikes will have black frame and graphite wheels while the black s model will have a bronze frame and wheels.
Chris
Quote from: zvezdah1 on November 08, 2008, 10:25:33 AM
According to the ducati site, the pearl and red bikes will have black frame and graphite wheels while the black s model will have a bronze frame and wheels.
Chris
Frame should be red...red...red...red
Wins 1st prize for the ugliest exhaust.
Quote from: dbran1949 on November 08, 2008, 10:41:34 AM
Frame should be red...red...red...red
Agree, I'd love a red frame on the pearl white I'm getting
Chris
Wow, it definitely makes a statement in terms of technology and performance. Stylistically though the 1098 and the older Monster are much nicer. I don't think they spent too much money designing it. Seems like a spur of the moment thing that came out of a cappuccino high at a group meeting. Man, I just don't know...
Quote from: uclabiker06 on November 08, 2008, 03:00:17 PM
Wow, it definitely makes a statement in terms of technology and performance. Stylistically though the 1098 and the older Monster are much nicer. I don't think they spent too much money designing it. Seems like a spur of the moment thing that came out of a cappuccino high at a group meeting. Man, I just don't know...
In other words, just like how the Monster was designed by Galluzzi...
I'll wait till I see it in person.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/3011769307_bf5e927602_o.jpg)
Hmm...looks like it's grimacing from constipation...but still better than the one Ducati has come up with
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 08, 2008, 12:22:44 AM
I have spent some time looking at headlight images to see what I can photochop on the Fighter but I can't seem to find anything that looks natural.
I'm guessing that once someone has one "in hand", they will figure out something. Especially how to blend the instrument display that is piggybacked on the existing head light. There is still a possibility of using a small windscreen to hide the instrument gauge a-la monster. That would prevent the sharp lines of the gauges from clashing from a normal headlight bucket of your choosing.
bill
i suck at photoshop presents... using the old monster headlight on a perfectly new bike.
Keep in mind the perspective on the headlight is soo wrong, but it was free and no cats were harmed in the making of this image.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/3014672026_a7ece131af_o.jpg)
How about this one with a little closer proportions
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3278/3013953743_d07e182078.jpg)
Compared to the older photoshopped ones
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/3011769307_b048524f40.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/3010368638_364fc868f5.jpg)
The Original
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/3011795378_563b4fe5d6.jpg)
#4 looks the best by far.
My only complaint is that there isn't a standard black with red frame. The frame is why I like ducati's and it needs to stand out.
I guess that answers it... I'm partial to the old headlight.
I've always want to figure out how to put a 848/1098 headlight on the monster. I like the look on that SF more than the headlight they came up with.
i don't think the old headlight goes with it all with the new angles on the bike it looks horrible, the 696 headlight is a step in the right direction though.
The original design works for me. Just need to get rid of those mirrors and put the exhaust cans on a diet. Minor stuff.
I would be FORCED to put the original headlight on.
Then some clipons,
shorty exhaust,
a slight mod to the tail,
,....
May I request a PS or 2 from you, Rob?
Red w red frame, black radiator cover & peecups, no passenger footpegs assembly, no mirrors, highmount (not undertail) carbon exhaust.
1 w Monster lamp w/o fairing, 1 w no 2 headlamp above.
Pleeeze?
I can try but I aint that good at it :-\
I have been using Paint on my work laptop ;D
If I have time later today I will try to whip something up.
Nope the round monster headlight is def too retro on a modern looking bike, doesn't blend with the angular lines.
I dunno, I like the nose just as it is, and as with most ducs they look far better in person than pics. The dash is always tough on a naked bike, they could use a binnacle type cover like the brute.
Chris
# 2 for me [thumbsup] Although I would have it higher. Too bad it's only a photoshop'ed item - don't see anyone manufacturing it (yet).
Well it made it onto uncrate
http://www.uncrate.com/men/cars/motorcycles/ducati-streetfighter/ (http://www.uncrate.com/men/cars/motorcycles/ducati-streetfighter/)
There's nothing on that link we didn't know, just figured I'd point it out
I found my dream street fighter - wish Ducati could just copy that one - or for that matter, I could
Fast forward to 4:07, just after a short on board sequence. The green frame, 4V thingy. Pure muscle and rough appeal [thumbsup] [moto]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7D2OQpXns4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7D2OQpXns4)
I believe that is a 996 modded to a streetfighter. It seems to have a Monster seat assembly.
I saw it in person at Laguna, and she was hot. But I was totally drawn towards one of Foggy's bikes.
hey, my name is in that vid,.. LOL
QuoteI can try but I aint that good at it
Surely good enough f me, thx in advance!
Ahhhh here's a breath of fresh air for you guys... [thumbsup]
(http://www.superduke.net/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=962)
Not for everybody but the design is consistent from front to back and doesn't look pieced together from various items of the parts bin like the streetfighter does. Imo the 1098 motor is overkill for any naked bike and the S model is overpriced by a few grand. I sold my S4Rs a few weeks ago and I'm glad I didn't replace it with the new Ducati Streetfighter.
Nice frame and motor. After that. ??? What does it turn into.
Quote from: kopfjager on November 11, 2008, 11:12:53 AM
Nice frame and motor. After that. ??? What does it turn into.
Optimus Prime.... ;D
The Streetfighter styling debate is a game of politics. You may not like it, but they will sell a lot of them! [wine]
I like the design, not the price...out of my league. Naked bikes have always appealed to me, though. [popcorn]
Quote from: Rotten Randy on November 11, 2008, 11:07:20 AM
Ahhhh here's a breath of fresh air for you guys... [thumbsup]
(http://www.superduke.net/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=962)
Not for everybody but the design is consistent from front to back and doesn't look pieced together from various items of the parts bin like the streetfighter does. Imo the 1098 motor is overkill for any naked bike and the S model is overpriced by a few grand. I sold my S4Rs a few weeks ago and I'm glad I didn't replace it with the new Ducati Streetfighter.
That head light might look better on the Fighter ;D
Voted best looking bike at the Milan show!
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34986 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34986)
Chris
When I first saw this bike on the Ducati site I liked it, but there again they showed the bike from a lot of unusual angles. Now that I have seen it more the less I like it. It is too chunky, and is too busy with lots of stuff sticking out and weird angles. I think the new M1100 looks much better and keeps the sweet sexy lines that have made Ducati famous. There again I"m mid 40's and stuck in my ways ;D
Quote from: Rotten Randy on November 11, 2008, 11:07:20 AM
Ahhhh here's a breath of fresh air for you guys... [thumbsup]
(http://www.superduke.net/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=962)
Not for everybody but the design is consistent from front to back and doesn't look pieced together from various items of the parts bin like the streetfighter does. Imo the 1098 motor is overkill for any naked bike and the S model is overpriced by a few grand. I sold my S4Rs a few weeks ago and I'm glad I didn't replace it with the new Ducati Streetfighter.
Not bad, but it looks like it has a personality complex. Hmmm, do I want to be a dirt bike, a super motard, or a sport standard? Oh, and that swing arm is just weak a$$. Sorry.
Yep, the Streetfighter is chunky, but in a muscle car, masculine way. It looks like a powerful beast for sure.
I'm still likin' this new Streetfighter. In red.
With a different master cylinder arrangement (wtf were they thinking?) and a set of pipes, I'd be all over it. [evil]
(http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/Streetfighter_red.jpg)
Question to all:
Do you think the Street Fighter is a milestone for Ducati, marking a complete new direction in design? I can't think of any prior Ducati that looked so inorganic, not even the 999.
Maybe the Golden Age is over. :'(
Quote from Raptors and Rockets " 990 Superduke is far from unique in being a powerful naked and it is not particularly more enjoyable than Ducati S4R [popcorn]
Quote from: Lukey on November 11, 2008, 10:42:55 PM
Question to all:
Do you think the Street Fighter is a milestone for Ducati, marking a complete new direction in design? I can't think of any prior Ducati that looked so inorganic, not even the 999.
Maybe the Golden Age is over. :'(
The golden age (of design) ended with the 998. I like the performance improvement, but the design is so horrible that I dont see any reason to pay a premium for a Ducati. Hopefully they turn around and make high performance, well stylized bikes. But for now, they've lost my purchase.
Quote from: Court-Jester on November 12, 2008, 07:35:46 AM
The golden age (of design) ended with the 998. I like the performance improvement, but the design is so horrible that I dont see any reason to pay a premium for a Ducati. Hopefully they turn around and make high performance, well stylized bikes. But for now, they've lost my purchase.
+1
Ducati PR Firestorm
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081111ay.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081111ay.htm)
Quote from: Court-Jester on November 12, 2008, 07:35:46 AM
The golden age (of design) ended with the 998. I like the performance improvement, but the design is so horrible that I dont see any reason to pay a premium for a Ducati. Hopefully they turn around and make high performance, well stylized bikes. But for now, they've lost my purchase.
Yeah, it would be great if they made the same motorcycle over and over. :-\
Quote from: kopfjager on November 12, 2008, 07:52:58 AM
Yeah, it would be great if they made the same motorcycle over and over. :-\
QuoteThe golden age (of design) ended with the 998. I like the performance improvement, but the design is so horrible that I dont see any reason to pay a premium for a Ducati. Hopefully they turn around and make high performance, well stylized bikes. But for now, they've lost my purchase.
I want to like the streetfighter and the 696
Ducati could have done some minor adjustments in their design that would have improved things greatly, IMO.
A lot of people here wanted a naked 1098. Well, here it is. Like everything else new, people have different opinions. With a set of aftermarket cans, different mirrors and coffins and some other goodies, people will be changing their minds about it and over time it will be THE naked bike to have. I love my S4Rs and will keep it instead of buying the Streetfighter. There will always be change, good or bad. With change my bike becomes more desirable!
Lou
Quote from: Lukey on November 11, 2008, 10:42:55 PM
Maybe the Golden Age is over. :'(
(http://www.defensetech.org/images/Chicken-Little.jpg)
Reminds me of the debates in the car rags 10 years ago about Porsche jumping the shark. The golden age is over blah blah. They've gone on to create better cars and oh yeah they've made more money.
Ducati finally took another look at the Monster design -- 15 years is an eternity in motorsport. While it's not surprising many of the old schoolers are distraught; it also won't be surprising to see Ducati sell more bikes, make more money and develop better bikes in years to come.
This is my favorite pic of the new bike (and although she helps it has nothing to do with the model).
(http://utopiagaming.org/WebPics/ScottsPics/DucatiStreetFighteratMilanShow1226425489.JPG)
That fork angle looks... weird.
Quote from: wbeck257 on November 12, 2008, 12:54:47 PM
That fork angle looks... weird.
Wide lense on the camera makes everything stretch against it's corner.
+1 on the pic.
I think all of the close up photos Ducati released makes it look a lot bulkier than it probably actually is. The more natural perspective photos look really good IMO.
it seems that no matter what ducati does these days. they just can't seem to please the "real" "ducati" people.
perhaps, they should have just stuck with this...
(http://www.motorcycle.in.th/mediagallery/mediaobjects/disp/6/6_ducati-cucciolo-1949.jpg)
do not want
ucky
Which, the single-powered bicycle, or the Streetfighter? [laugh]
Quote from: Speedbag on November 12, 2008, 07:03:02 PM
Which, the single-powered bicycle, or the Streetfighter? [laugh]
the mushfighter
I'd rock the single in my sidispats
Quote from: bobspapa on November 12, 2008, 08:26:42 PM
the mushfighter
I'd rock the single in my sidispats
I say old bean, this motorbike has set my top hat asunder.
Cheerio!
Quote from: COWBOY on November 12, 2008, 11:49:50 AM
(http://utopiagaming.org/WebPics/ScottsPics/DucatiStreetFighteratMilanShow1226425489.JPG)
Strange that Coca-Cola is sponsoring Ducati...
Oh wait, that's another thread ;)
I have to say I like it better than the 1100...
but not that much better to rob a bank or something.
I think I will put money in my 695 to make it look even more retro and classic.
That age is definitely over now...
Ducati moved on and it will find a lot of new friends.
I stay in the old design world for now and polish it as good as I can.
And the only bike I wanted to see at Milan was not there...no Venom...
Quote from: seeker on November 13, 2008, 04:57:22 AM
Is the hot bike making the hot model look awesome? Or is it the other way around? I am confused with all the hotness.
heheh...there's a reason I saved this picture and not the other ones! [thumbsup]
I like it - I wish I had enough to buy one $$$. 3 or 4 years from now everyone will be pregnant doging about the newest model. I'm glad that Ducati is trying new things.
Robbie Burns....
Quote from: kopfjager on November 12, 2008, 07:52:58 AM
Yeah, it would be great if they made the same motorcycle over and over. :-\
...and then Ducati can be just like HD
Quote from: COWBOY on November 12, 2008, 11:49:50 AM
This is my favorite pic of the new bike (and although she helps it has nothing to do with the model).
(http://utopiagaming.org/WebPics/ScottsPics/DucatiStreetFighteratMilanShow1226425489.JPG)
Cool pic, I really like the new wheels, but the bike needs a red frame to make it faster.
Quote from: m1moto on November 13, 2008, 08:10:14 PM
...and then Ducati can be just like HD
Until recently they were very much like HD..... ;)
Quote from: danaid on November 13, 2008, 09:33:04 PM
Cool pic, I really like the new wheels, but the bike needs a red frame to make it faster.
Beauty is in the eye and all that.......
(http://utopiagaming.org/WebPics/ScottsPics/DucatiStreetFighteratMilanShow1226425489.JPG)
But in that pic it looks like it ran into something and got squished down and back a bit [roll]
YMMV
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 08, 2008, 01:54:14 AM
Good idea [thumbsup]
I kept looking for a 848 or 1098 picture I can pull apart but that one works pretty well.
I Like this one the best so far.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/3011769307_bf5e927602_o.jpg)
+1
and i will wait for an 848 version i think...